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If it's not a scaled down pencil, and it's not easily attachable to the iPhone, it's worthless. Having to carry around a full Apple Pencil to use on a phone, no chance in hell it'll ever catch on.

Apple is big on carrying around things to make other things work (dongles and hubs needed for their single port-type devices). You think they'd think twice about having to carry a stylus around? Not to mention, if they removed the headphone jack to make room for more battery, you think they'd take up space for a stylus inside?
 
Now, they have released iPad mini 4. First year the sales were amazing. But then, people were waiting for iPad mini 5 so they stopped buying and waited, waited a year, waited 2nd year and 3rd. But Apple didn’t bother to release new iPad mini, or, at least some kind of CPU/GPU update. So, the people eventually gave up the waiting, knowing Apple just didn’t care anymore.

It's the classic Apple method - don't update a product to kill demand then say there is no demand and discontinue said product. (Usually because said product has a lower profit margin).
 
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For me personally, even 256 GB storage has been a waste. With the 2 TB iCloud storage, shared between my wife and I, and optimized storage enabled, I’m currently only utilizing <38/256 GB of storage on the device.
512 GB seems totally unnecessary, to me.
That would be a whole lot to lose anyway if you dropped/lost/broke your device with that much stored locally.
 
Not just you, trust me. Sure, the older we get, the wiser we get and the more we know and can do. But how many of us wouldn’t wish to look and think more like we did 20 years ago just with a little carried over wisdom from the present? I’d love a return to more of the early generation simplicity. Swiping is not as easy and convenient as Apple thinks especially as they remove more buttons while adding more complexity. Pretty soon we’ll need piano lessons to fully realize how to do all the balletic swoops and flicks just to use the basics that used to be done instantly with a button or single click.
Having played around with the 3G I discovered how the simplicity has been lost. It's hard to explain as a modern phone is not too difficult to use. But the simplicity that the earlier versions of iOS (or iPhone OS, or whatever it was originally called) has been lost.
 
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Why are people so anti Stylus?

Steve Jobs was anti devices which had poor touchscreens or interfaces which required the use of a stylus to make them usable.. That is a different scenario to the Apple Pencil which is made to improve the ability of people to input detailed and fine gestures that large fingers can not achieve.
 
Can someone explain how the LCD model fits into the line up besides the "budget" phone? It's screen is a mix between the non-plus and plus, which I am sure appeals to some but will lack some of the key features. So what is the point of it?!
If you don’t want those key features, you can save money. If you do want the extra features, you’ll have to pay the higher price.
 
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Jobs was against a user interface that required a stylus.

This one does not require a stylus, though. I think the support for Pencil has to do with other apps that use a Pencil, giving everyone the option of using their Pencil for those apps. I mean, drawing and coloring is easier with the Pencil. Doesn't mean you need it for everything like this is a PDA.
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Why are people so anti Stylus?

Steve Jobs was anti devices which had poor touchscreens or interfaces which required the use of a stylus to make them usable.. That is a different scenario to the Apple Pencil which is made to improve the ability of people to input detailed and fine gestures that large fingers can not achieve.

Exactly. :)
 
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I don't see how this could be remotely described as a better value phone then, especially as Apple have a most annoying habit of using the dollar price as the GBP price in the UK e.g. $599 = £599.

If they want to be competitive in this price segment then they need to be more closely aligned to OP6 pricing.

In fairness I didn't make any claims about it being a better value. I was merely mentioning the starting price. I actually screwed up thinking 699 was the base price of the iPhone 8 Plus but its actually the price of the iPhone 8.

And yeah, different currencies aren't fun. I'm in Canada and it's been rough where these phone prices have been going.
 
Is it just me or does it seem like this is the most unexciting release to date. I'm more interested in the iPad and Apple Watch. Another year, another iPhone. Bleh...

Agree, I'm getting bored from my phone and don't wanna pay to upgrade my 6 if I don't have to but the watch on the other hand :).....
 
[...]With the 2 TB iCloud storage [...] I’m currently only utilizing <38/256 GB of storage on the device.
512 GB seems totally unnecessary, to me.
That would be a whole lot to lose anyway if you dropped/lost/broke your device with that much stored locally.
Of course you should have a backup plan for any mobile device, be it an 8GB iPhone or a 512GB one. However, relying exclusively on cloud services does not work for everybody, when the reception is sketchy/non-existent and/or you're on a volume data plan.
 
Presently there is way too many iPhone models and storage sizes offered in 2017-2018. I am not sure if the 2018 iPhone X plus size will sell well if at that price and the available options are still on the market.

When Apple released the iPhone 6 Plus model there was a lot of pint up demand for a larger display, as at that time the only option was a 4” display model. Presently we have a 4”, 4.7”, 5.5” and 5.8” display sizes, plus iPhone 6S, 7, 8 and X. This confusion is reminiscent of what is available in the Android world. Cook being a market supply guru, sure does not know what will sell well and at what price for the 2017-2018 year.

Consumer will always purchase the model that gets them the most technology at the lowest price. The tech enthusiast that upgrade every year are the minority. If I wanted a 4.7” or 5.5” screen I as the consumer can choose from the 6S, 7 or 8. Do I want a headphone jack, wireless charging, etc. Comparing price and performance the 7 is your best bet in less you want the headphone jack. Apple should have kept the line up simple offer the 6S, 8 and X.

I am not sure if the 8 is still going to be offered for CY 2018-2019, however if this is the case then people will opt for that model vice the 2018 iPhone X plus model as the price would not be competitive when compared to the 8 plus model.

The iPhone X 2017 model sold relatively well as reported by Apple, however I am not sure the same will be true for a plus model considering the new tech was revealed in 2017. I believe Cook understands that, thus the reason to lower prices across the range.

Their should keep the lineup simple 5.8”, 6.1” and 6.5” The 4” SE model is now the 6.1” considering the single camera, no 3D Touch and not sure what else more. What I never liked about the 6 and onward design language is the curved edge/rim, compared to the SE and prior where it was flat, it made it easier to hold without the edge pressing against and into your fingers. If the edges were flat like the SE and prior the 4.7” and onward would be comfortable to hold for an extended period of time. Don’t get me wrong there will be initial demand for 6.5” model due to the plus model users upgrading. I suspect more will gravitate to the 6.1” or 5.8” models.
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Of course you should have a backup plan for any mobile device, be it an 8GB iPhone or a 512GB one. However, relying exclusively on cloud services does not work for everybody, when the reception is sketchy/non-existent and/or you're on a volume data plan.

With 2TB of none iCloud storage, I use 500GB and only require less than 64GB of physical device storage. Not sure who requires 512GB of device storage, are these supposed to be replacing external storage devices. How productive is someone on a 6.5” phone with thelimitations iOS imposes, considering most complain that an iPad Pro is not a replacement as a computing device.

I find it contradictory that Apple for years pushed people toward cloud storage while limiting physical storage, now that cloud storage is cheap their are offering more physical storage. I am receiving mixed messages.
 
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Yuck!
 
It's more than a hair bigger. The lack of bezels contribute to its awkwardness as well.
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That's obviously your opinion. And ok, 2 hair bigger then. There are more or less same size, but with the X, the stupid bezel is eliminated. Obviously I have no doubt there would be people perfectly happy with a tiny miniscule 2" display if opportunity was presented. But that does not mean they are on a large numbers.
 
You do know that Steve is no longer around right?
You do realize that most of the people who were part of the iPhone/iOS team who worked with Jobs are still working at Apple right.
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Yes, same here. SE perfect for me.

I personally prefer the flat edges of the SE model, it more comfortable to hold for an extended period of time.
 
My HTC 10 ($500) has removable storage. Sorry it does not have a replaceable battery, though.
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