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Absolutely amazing, the day certain reputable account from WeiBo leaks out new information about Apple's new iPhone pricing, every one were saying it is fake news.

Another day TrendForce republish those as "analysts" and they get the headlines.
 
meh. For the first time ever, I can't wait for what the new apple watch brings instead of the new iphone.
Love my series 3. it is almost perfect.
iPhone x? Outside of the processor, and to a lesser extent the camera, is a meh. not the best phone i've ever owened.
 
You do realize that most of the people who were part of the iPhone/iOS team who worked with Jobs are still working at Apple right.
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I'm sure you know that they have their own brains and don't have to do everything Steve thought/liked, right?
 
That's obviously your opinion. And ok, 2 hair bigger then. There are more or less same size, but with the X, the stupid bezel is eliminated. Obviously I have no doubt there would be people perfectly happy with a tiny miniscule 2" display if opportunity was presented. But that does not mean they are on a large numbers.

The lack of bezel makes it impractical for many.

Yes my opinion, but what you are saying is your opinion.
 
Having played around with the 3G I discovered how the simplicity has been lost. It's hard to explain as a modern phone is not too difficult to use. But the simplicity that the earlier versions of iOS (or iPhone OS, or whatever it was originally called) has been lost.

I've ranted about this in other threads, may have even started a thread on this topic. I think a lot of it has to do with 3 things:
1) the loss of intuitive UIx cues that first guided the user almost subconsciously to what he/she wanted to perform. Now everything is so less obvious, from their quest to look "less cluttered and distracting."
2) specifically, actuations (button shapes) were obvious and then large enough to see it change color/form when pressed. Everything felt almost instantaneous when you "see" that press enacted. Now with ultra tiny text "buttons" that aren't obvious or need to be searched for on the screen or beneath hamburger icons, and which are covered by your fingertip when pressed so as to not "feel" that "I pressed it" feedback, everything seems to take longer to enact starting with iOS7. That, IMHO, is why the iPhone/iPad no longer feels magical and "just works."
3) The odd use of light grey font, light blue font, low-contrast everything. EVERYTHING on most every current iOS app is harder to read easily due to white text on light green or light blue/grey text on a stark white background.

Each delay from those 3 adds up to feeling much less instantaneous, less magical.

Sure it could be argued that things changed in that the iPhone/iPad has been continually tasked with doing MORE now than then, so some ways of doing things needed to change. But certain intentional and arbitrary decisions regarding those changes were made to the interface (both software and hardware) that are just less quick, less easy to use, just for sake of looking a little different than before. More sleek, less "distracting." Jony Ive pitched all the world-class intuitive UIx when he pitched all the green felt and stitched leather he so detested. He threw the baby out with the bathwater just to gear iOS towards his minimalist fashion sense. So much was lost by designing primarily for "fresh new fashion" over time-tested world-class UIx principles.

It takes an awful lot of talent and hard work to make the complex seem simple.

And all that magic simplicity can be removed in one fell swoop by losing focus away from the customer/function first and towards fashion or change for the sake of new change.
 
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Actually what Steve Jobs said to Tim Cook some time before his death was: "Do not ever ask yourself "What would Steve do"".

So, this IS the Apple that Steve Jobs wanted to be. With few things here and there that he might despise, but still very close.
 
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Jobs was against a user interface that required a stylus. He thought having to take out a stylus every time you wanted to do anything was ridiculous, rather you should be able to use the device with your finger.

That was smart thinking for the first iPhones and iPads. The right tool for the job. Don't want to carry and track a stylus with your ultra-portable iPhone for performing relatively simple tasks. Just like you shouldn't have to carry and track dongles for your portable macbooks but that's another rant for another time. Just like you do need a mouse or trackpad for certain ultra-detailed work on a desk/laptop. Now that the iPad and even iPhone are being tasked to do so much more detail work than when Jobs was around (case in point, Apple's ridiculous "what's a computer" commercials last winter), a stylus/pencil makes perfect sense for the right application. The "right tool for the right job" isn't across the board though, evidenced by "the industry" handicapping desk/laptop users to websites designed for mobile-first...definitely not the right tool for the job.
 
Presently there is way too many iPhone models and storage sizes offered in 2017-2018. I am not sure if the 2018 iPhone X plus size will sell well if at that price and the available options are still on the market.

When Apple released the iPhone 6 Plus model there was a lot of pint up demand for a larger display, as at that time the only option was a 4” display model. Presently we have a 4”, 4.7”, 5.5” and 5.8” display sizes, plus iPhone 6S, 7, 8 and X. This confusion is reminiscent of what is available in the Android world. Cook being a market supply guru, sure does not know what will sell well and at what price for the 2017-2018 year.

Consumer will always purchase the model that gets them the most technology at the lowest price. The tech enthusiast that upgrade every year are the minority. If I wanted a 4.7” or 5.5” screen I as the consumer can choose from the 6S, 7 or 8. Do I want a headphone jack, wireless charging, etc. Comparing price and performance the 7 is your best bet in less you want the headphone jack. Apple should have kept the line up simple offer the 6S, 8 and X.

I am not sure if the 8 is still going to be offered for CY 2018-2019, however if this is the case then people will opt for that model vice the 2018 iPhone X plus model as the price would not be competitive when compared to the 8 plus model.

The iPhone X 2017 model sold relatively well as reported by Apple, however I am not sure the same will be true for a plus model considering the new tech was revealed in 2017. I believe Cook understands that, thus the reason to lower prices across the range.

Their should keep the lineup simple 5.8”, 6.1” and 6.5” The 4” SE model is now the 6.1” considering the single camera, no 3D Touch and not sure what else more. What I never liked about the 6 and onward design language is the curved edge/rim, compared to the SE and prior where it was flat, it made it easier to hold without the edge pressing against and into your fingers. If the edges were flat like the SE and prior the 4.7” and onward would be comfortable to hold for an extended period of time. Don’t get me wrong there will be initial demand for 6.5” model due to the plus model users upgrading. I suspect more will gravitate to the 6.1” or 5.8” models.
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With 2TB of none iCloud storage, I use 500GB and only require less than 64GB of physical device storage. Not sure who requires 512GB of device storage, are these supposed to be replacing external storage devices. How productive is someone on a 6.5” phone with thelimitations iOS imposes, considering most complain that an iPad Pro is not a replacement as a computing device.

I find it contradictory that Apple for years pushed people toward cloud storage while limiting physical storage, now that cloud storage is cheap their are offering more physical storage. I am receiving mixed messages.
Ridiculous
Why do posters here always drag out “to many options” complaint.
Too many options for what, consumers?
Is there any data showing too many iphone options is detrimental to the consumer or Apple.
Or is this just posters own projections.

Not clear why you would get mixed messages on icloud vs onboard storage, so let’s throw out some examples:
1: user doesn’t want to pay for 2TB or storage.
2: user doesn’t live in area with good service.
3: user prefers to have some stuff stored locally.
4: user often finds themselves in locations with no cell/wifi service at all but wants to watch movies.
Examples: Airplanes / Office building basements / Camping etc..

EDIT: Oops I forgot one
5: user shoots a lot of long 4K video, or just a lot of 4K video in general.

There is no constradictory or mixed messages from Apple.
Just a refusal to step outside ones own bubble.

Let Apple do Apple and you do you.
They apparently are very successful without your input.
 
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Who the heck needs 512 gigs of storage in their phone? Like seriously. I’m having issues filling up 60 gigs on my 256 gb phone. And I have plenty of apps photos and my whole music library downloaded.

I think they’ll go with 128/512. We’ve seen that in the past even though it does not make sense at all.

Do because YOU don't see a need for it, therefore the millions of other iPhone owners don't have a need? Is that how reality works? I use Apple CarPlay and take photos and videos, in HD. Guess what? Music + HD Photos + HD Videos takes up a lot of space, to say nothing of Apps and other data.

Let me guess, 25 years ago you said that no one is ever going to use a 30 mb HD, right?
 
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Because it didn’t sell as many as they expected or hoped Even if it sold a lot.
I don't buy that one either. Apple just became the first trillion dollar company in American history, they just had their best third quarter ever, beat every analyst's expectation, ARPU is at an all time high, and the iPhone X remains the best selling iPhone. The most expensive iPhone is also the best selling iPhone, which never used to be the case until the X was released. What, among all of those things, could possibly lead someone to think "Well gee, we better lower the price because the market clearly thinks this thing is too expensive"?
 
Ridiculous

1: user doesn’t want to pay for 2TB or storage.
2: user doesn’t live in area with good service.
3: user prefers to have some stuff stored locally.
4: user often finds themselves in locations with no cell/wifi service at all but wants to watch movies.
Examples: Airplanes / Office building basements / Camping etc.
Excellent and superb points for the higher storage need. Thank you!!
 
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Bigger phone for the business segment, they say? More like most people in the 18-25 bracket.

To be honest though, I’m in neither bracket and can’t wait for super massive X :)
 
Can someone explain how the LCD model fits into the line up besides the "budget" phone? It's screen is a mix between the non-plus and plus, which I am sure appeals to some but will lack some of the key features. So what is the point of it?!

It's status as the "budget" phone is precisely what it is for. Size wise it is between the 8 and the 8 Plus. Rather than having multiple versions of the basic phone Apple appears to be making the choice simpler. For example, right now you've got the X, the 8, the 8 Plus, the 7, the 7 Plus, the 6S, the 6S Plus, and the SE. In overseas markets you also have the 6 and 6 Plus still available. That is quite a mix of lower end models.

After a couple of years you will wind up with what essentially is the X Plus ($999), the X ($849), the current LCD ($699), last year's LCD ($599 or $549) and hopefully a revised SE ($449). That would seem to be a decent mix of models with the greater efficiency of only producing 5 devices instead of 10.
 
If one could jailbreak the phones I would imagine the fasting moving tweak on Cydia would be one to black out the entire notch row. But then, the other day someone gave me a hot dog with catchup and it was OK. I could get used to the notch.....
 
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Once again Apple copying Samsung.
Hope not, as according to the interwebs the Note Line in the past was not a top seller for Samsung.
If Apple enters the stylus market for phones, it might be game over for the Note and one less ingenious commercial for Samsung.
 
I don't buy that one either. Apple just became the first trillion dollar company in American history, they just had their best third quarter ever, beat every analyst's expectation, ARPU is at an all time high, and the iPhone X remains the best selling iPhone. The most expensive iPhone is also the best selling iPhone, which never used to be the case until the X was released. What, among all of those things, could possibly lead someone to think "Well gee, we better lower the price because the market clearly thinks this thing is too expensive"?

Maybe because the party won't last forever and good leaders could recognize the need to jump proactively ahead of being forced to dodge.

Recent rises and slumps:

SUV craze in the 1990s
Tech stock craze in the late 1990s
Cheap mortgages craze in the mid 2000s

The "party" of high-cost, ultra-low-durability, and continued "stretch" for the sake of change (reduction in intuitive UIx, headphone jacks, buttons, ports, magsafe, touch ID, etc) can't last IMHO.
 
Maybe because the party won't last forever and good leaders could recognize the need to jump proactively ahead of being forced to dodge.

Recent rises and slumps:

SUV craze in the 1990s
Tech stock craze in the late 1990s
Cheap mortgages craze in the mid 2000s

The "party" of high-cost, ultra-low-durability, and continued "stretch" for the sake of change (reduction in intuitive UIx, headphone jacks, buttons, ports, magsafe, touch ID, etc) can't last IMHO.

When was the last time that removed ports returned to devices by some miracle?

3.5 mm jack is dead on mobile devices. It is over.
 
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Hmmm.... competitors increased market share by offering higher performance, features, and a lower price, while Apple’s sales were lower than expected.

Really???

Who could’ve seen that coming??? Oh, yeah... everyone outside Apple headquarters.

The question is... how much money did they have to pay for that market analysis?
Hmmm. Apple hits Trillion-Dollar valuation. Competition doesn't.

Who would've seen that coming??? Oh, yeah... everyone inside Apple headquarters.
 
Can someone explain how the LCD model fits into the line up besides the "budget" phone? It's screen is a mix between the non-plus and plus, which I am sure appeals to some but will lack some of the key features. So what is the point of it?!

The 6.1" LCD model is the new iPhone SE, it's just that most people haven't realized it yet. You answered your own question in the first sentence of your post.
 
Hope Apple does not do 512GB memory... else all SamFans will start complaining "apple" copies...
 
When was the last time that removed ports returned to devices by some miracle?

3.5 mm jack is dead on mobile devices. It is over.

My point is more about the jack that's still on the SE. Once several key things I listed (maybe even just one) are removed from any "SE 2," then the SE becomes just another iPhone IMHO. Currently the SE represents a value to many like me, beyond just price as far as "value." That was my point...

Oh, Apple has backtracked though when they realized they made a mistake. ioS11 is a LOT less Jony-Ive-wet-dream-minimalist than it was when iOS7 was birthed. Even iOS 7 got tamed, if not by iOS 8, to less-pastel, less-washed-out. And more and more intuitive UIx cues are returning in iOS that were unnecessarily thrown out with the bathwater of green felt and leather stitching in 2013.
 
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