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Like thin bezels, don't like thin bezels... personal taste is personal. My complaint with your quote was the use of a tablet to comparatively counter a criticism of the big bezels on the MBP. No one claimed you'd get a ton more screen real estate, but you do get more screen real estate. That's a fact, and no one is going to complain about more screen. Front facing cameras have been dealt with in horrible ways, creative ways, and innovative ways. I'm sure when Apple slims the bezels (I 100% believe they will), they'll be creative with the placement. So that my main point isn't lost in discourse that includes screen real estate, I'll repeat it. Using a tablet as a counter argument about laptop bezels wasn't your best moment.
Supply chain constraints will stop a lot of manufacturers from just creating random screen sizes. Additionally, bezeless crowd needs to get with the "want more functionality, screw thin and light" crowd.
And where should I be looking at this? Mac Rumors forums? Techies complaining on Twitter? Like you said nobody has this data but Apple. And usually people who don’t have problems with their stuff don’t go on message boards or social media to say everything is fine. So the anecdotal data anyone has is probably not representative.Yup, I hacked my way onto Apple's internal servers and retrieved their keyboard failure rate data...
Again, nobody has this data except Apple. All you have to do is look at the number of people with keyboard complaints, compared to previous MBP keyboard complaints (very few) and see that something is up. Apple's repair program, another piece of evidence. Just keep your head in the sand though.
[doublepost=1531429173][/doublepost]Also keep in mind there are a lot of users with problems that DON"T participate on forums.
There are trade offs with everything. We don’t have any hard facts that prove the keyboard issue was a result of the MBP being too thin. We also don’t know for certain that it’s still an issue. Hardly anyone has used these new laptops.
One, I don’t consider the Surface to be a tablet, especially when Microsoft is always showing it off with a keyboard attached. Two, there are other tablets with thinner bezels.
You’re right, but I only have it sit at my desk in my room which I don’t eat in anyways
Whether or not you consider it a tablet doesn't matter. It's a tablet. Whether tablets have thin bezels or thick bezels doesn't matter either. Using a tablet as an example in a laptop comparison is bad form.
It’s a tablet? Says who?
I never said that. All I’m saying is we don’t have the facts and data. Only Apple does. And it’s not in their interest to sell faulty hardware.faukty hardware just brings lawsuits, repairs/replacements, unhappy customers. Why would Apple think those are good things? I think John Gruber has it right:
The sad part is, their keyboards used to be great - rock solid, reliable, a joy to type on. They sacrificed an existing fantastic design, and the only thing they seem to have gained is the ability to make the machine a few millimeters thinner, which nobody outside of Apple is asking for.Yeah a keyboard that fails with the slightest bit of debris
They're facing several class action suits over the previous design. If they say "this one breaks less", not only does it make them look bad in general, the attorneys in the class action suits will point to the relevant interviews, press release, and videos, and say, "Your Honor, we'd like to submit these as exhibit A, B, and C."
There is however. Word on the street is that some time mid-cycle Apple changed the alloy used for the switches to one that exhibited less flaws that caused the keyboard issues. For obvious reasons this wasn't announced anywhere.
