well, there is always the Best Buy sales right now.. I think the 2.4 is $200 off, if you would feel better about having the 2.4? actually apple store will match that price of $1599 (down from $1799).....
YES. Difference between them is very clear when playing music.
Have you actually tested both Air 2018 and entry Pro at home both on the same table side by side playing the same song at the same volume level and then switch between units by muting one and playing another?
Also price difference between the two was not much in the end (I got very nice deal for entry Pro).Obviously LG panel in your "better" Pro. I've tried searching information about the FMX panel but no luck. I guess it is some of the cheaper new Chinese IPS like panel manufacturers. I'm not saying that is necessarily the bad thing but there are many questions that remain to be seen in the future. Also I think we will see in official reviews some differences found between this and Samsung/LG models used in better Pro. By they way, I have understood the IPS is LG trademark for this display tech and even Samsung has different name for it, PLS I think, and others too have their own naming for it. Just curious about all machines sold as IPS panel but they not all come with LG IPS, but that is what many other machine manufacturers do too, so I guess it is just common naming everyone like to use.
YES. Difference between them is very clear when playing music.
I'd say it is nearly as big difference between Air 2018 and entry Pro what you can hear in this review between entry Pro and "real" Pro.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2019-13”-macbook-pro-showdown-1-4ghz-vs-2-4ghz.2190147/#post-27547279
In entry level Pro you don't get much bass and treble and also music does not sound as wide as in Air 2018. Entry Pro is more like emphasizing mid range, it is good for say FaceTime calls and such.
Have you actually tested both Air 2018 and entry Pro at home both on the same table side by side playing the same song at the same volume level and then switch between units by muting one and playing another?
I did and it was pretty evident that Air 2018 has better sound quality when playing music.
Anyway, I still ended up returning my Air 2018 and keeping entry Pro. I guess I wanted to have Pro model.
New entry Pro is not a bad machine but you obviously do not get the same quality level Pro as in higher priced versions, even the look identical outside. There are many small differences, like the display panel is not the same, speakers not the same, ssd is not the same (much slower, even slower than Air 2018), battery not the same (it will be interesting to see if this one is even rated for 1000 cycles as in other Pro's (I bet it is not, likely just 500 or 300)), also even the keyboards are supposed to be the same, typing feel is not as solid in entry machine (it is somehow hollow, hardy to describe but it is a little cheap feeling, even Air 2018 feels a little more solid).
I'm sure when more official reviews come out these differences became more pointed out.
It was also interesting to notice in practice that speed difference between Air 2018 and entry Pro in my normal daily use is not really evident in any way. I mean my usual task browsing web with multiple tabs open, email and such you do not notice any difference. I'm sure it will be quite huge when doing more CPU intensive tasks.
Screen is a little more neutral/natural than in Air and brighter if you need full brightness but normally I run it lower so no difference in real use. Also most differences are evident only running the two machines side by side.
Obviously LG panel in your "better" Pro. I've tried searching information about the FMX panel but no luck. I guess it is some of the cheaper new Chinese IPS like panel manufacturers. I'm not saying that is necessarily the bad thing but there are many questions that remain to be seen in the future. Also I think we will see in official reviews some differences found between this and Samsung/LG models used in better Pro. By they way, I have understood the IPS is LG trademark for this display tech and even Samsung has different name for it, PLS I think, and others too have their own naming for it. Just curious about all machines sold as IPS panel but they not all come with LG IPS, but that is what many other machine manufacturers do too, so I guess it is just common naming everyone like to use.
For example my Zenbook has IPS panel but it seems to be some BOE brand panel and while it is the most uniform LCD panel I have ever had (even little better than in my entry Pro in this regard, except BLB is better in my Pro virtually none), it has very nasty PWM flickering only at 200Hz but luckily I found a piece of software that allowed me to overclock it higher and my eyes were relieved (that 200Hz gave nice head aches). Also overclocking PWM causes audible high pitched noise that can be heard in quiet room.
Good thing with entry Pro is that it does seem to have much higher frequency PWM, so OK in that regard but obviously not very high bit color panels, has some evident banding when True Tone and/or night shift is engaged, is this possibly those 6+2bit often used in lower price range panels?
Also how is your entry Pro panel uniformity? I mean if you view it very critical and also testing with and without True Tone and/or night shift with fully white and gray full screen test patterns? In mine especially with True Tone and night shift both on it is very very slightly more red on left edge and slightly more bluish on right edge (especially lower left reddish and lower right cooler), but that difference is very small and you need to look it very carefully in dimly lit room. Not a really problem but panel is not perfect but I've seen and heard about the same problems and even much worse with LG panels.
Can you see red on the left in all modes (TT and NS)? In my unit it is mostly noticeable with both TT and NS engaged but right now I'm running on room with daylight screen at full -5 brightness and only TT engaged it is almost impossible to see (actually it is but since I know where to look I may just see a hint of it).
I don't think is is just the slits that make the difference. It is that speakers are just much worse in entry Pro. Slits don't cost practically nothing to make, so if it was just the slits that would make entry Pro sound the same they would likely made them. Obviously looking at teardown pictures it looks that better Pro models have kind of a woofer underneath but this entry Pro has just upfiring two very small "speakers".
I doubt it has nothing to do with the number of cooling fans. Even my Air felt more solid and less hollow sound when typing and it does have only one case fan and not even heatpipe (if that even makes structure of chassis any more solid).
I saw that too but I guess it is just a blanket statement and not really applying on MacBooks as there is another document where they list battery rated cycles model by model and there are ones with only 500 or 300 cycles listed. Interestingly entry Pro is not yet listed there, so I fear the worst since that model seems to be using quite many cheaper parts than its better models already, so why not save another penny in battery too.
Can you see red on the left in all modes (TT and NS)? In my unit it is mostly noticeable with both TT and NS engaged but right now I'm running on room with daylight screen at full -5 brightness and only TT engaged it is almost impossible to see (actually it is but since I know where to look I may just see a hint of it).
Anyway, uniformity problems are quite common and I have noticed that on most displays I look carefully long enough at varying conditions I eventually see some (except my Zenbooks BOE screen with is the most uniform I've ever seen these days). I saw in this forum some threads concerning uniformity issues about Pro model with LG and Samsung screens. So I guess it is a matter of how lucky you were in the panel lottery. I usually have very bad luck but maybe this time slight exception.
Do you see any backlight bleed on your LG when looking at full black screen image on completely dark room with varying display brightness setting (backlight full is the most demanding)?
In my FMX screen there is practically none, also not really noticeable varying color, other than just very very slight reddish on the lower left but almost unnoticeable. Even my AIR that did not have any BLB did show considerable uneven shade (other side bluish and other reddish and quite noticeable with full brightness on black screen).
No I don't see any bleeds at all....
For example my desktop computer DELL screen with LG I don't even need to turn the light off to see flashlight effects so that one has serious backlight bleed but I exchanged quite many displays when I got it and finally it was considered normal for their screens... Some replacements were even much worse than mine.
I don't think is is just the slits that make the difference. It is that speakers are just much worse in entry Pro. Slits don't cost practically nothing to make, so if it was just the slits that would make entry Pro sound the same they would likely made them. Obviously looking at teardown pictures it looks that better Pro models have kind of a woofer underneath but this entry Pro has just upfiring two very small "speakers".
yeah there is no comparison of the other speakers, not sure what they did to the new pro base model.... strange!
I doubt it has nothing to do with the number of cooling fans. Even my Air felt more solid and less hollow sound when typing and it does have only one case fan and not even heatpipe (if that even makes structure of chassis any more solid).
That's why I was very surprised when I got my entry Pro that keyboard does not feel less loud or better than in my Air 2018. There is considerable difference between Air 2018 and better Pro 13" models so that Pro feels solid while being soft at the same time, less clicky and less loud than Air 2018. However when comparing Air 2018 to entry Pro even Air 2018 feels better and less loud which is surprising since entry Pro has one generation newer keyboard.
It must be some structural or material difference between the Pro models. This is maybe one of the most disappointing thing with entry Pro and it is what make it feels more like 199,- cheap Windows laptops sold at your local grocery store somewhere between meat and vegetable section.
Nothing I find states the materials are different at all.........I doubt they are....
It is likely even completely different keyboard in entry Pro than better Pro even then being the same generation since I just read Laptopag review of entry Pro and they mentioned key travel 0.86mm for entry Pro. If you look at any other MacBooks they reviewed there key travel is shorter!! Also there are differences between force needed to press the key in different Pro models. So I suspect maybe they simply used cheaper keyboard in entry Pro, even it is nominally the same gen as in other 2019 Pro's or Air 2019.
By the way, how is your battery doing in entry Pro and is your battery SMP or DSY? What values you see in CoconutBattery? Mine is around 5200mAh (varying between 5182 to 5242) after 4 charge cycles. Only thing I noticed was interestingly battery voltage never goes above even fully charged 13022 (that what you can see under Apple logo menu). I'd expect it to go 13050 when fully charged (reaching 4350mv per cell as it should). Voltage is also dropping quite fast when charger is removed. Also I noticed voltage getting sometimes even round 11000mv when battery is around 1/3.
Yeah seen right under 5200 fully charged...
I saw that too but I guess it is just a blanket statement and not really applying on MacBooks as there is another document where they list battery rated cycles model by model and there are ones with only 500 or 300 cycles listed. Interestingly entry Pro is not yet listed there, so I fear the worst since that model seems to be using quite many cheaper parts than its better models already, so why not save another penny in battery too.
well, for someone who travels all over the world, last thing I want to do is wear earphones in my hotel room
, I don't think the speakers are bad on the higher level MBP and on the 15" amazing.....Likely nothing more than saved a few penny on speakers.
Must be. Otherwise entry Pro should have that premium typing feel as pricier Pro models have but it does not, it is a lot like the hollow typing feel in cheap Windows laptops sold at local grocery stores.
looks about identical compared to mine. How many charge cycles and which brand battery DSY or SMP?
Higher level Pro has even better sound quality than Air 2018 which was already more than good enough for occasional music listening for say during travels and similar occasions. Too bad entry Pro speakers are not suitable for nothing more than maybe facetime calls.well, for someone who travels all over the world, last thing I want to do is wear earphones in my hotel room
By the way, since you have both Pro models do you feel any difference in lower body material so that does entry Pro feel softer or more flexible material? Like when you hold the lower body of the units from edges and do slight twisting motion, does it feel like entry Pro is more flexible than pricier one?
Hey, I seem to feel a difference on the a) underside, feels more hallow than the 2.4 higher end pro b) front side keyboard, heys bell a bit more shallow/hallow, the front doesn't feel any less wrong to me.... but like you said before when you tap, I can tell the 1.4 is more "hallow" or something just not too sure......
It was the same difference between Air 2018 and entry Pro. When I was lightly tapping the bottom plates, Air was completely solid and not hollow sound but entry Pro sounds like it is thin plastic and hollow. And yes with keyboards the same thing, entry pro a lot like hollow sound what you hear and feel in cheap Windows laptops but Air 2018 was very solid but not quite as solid as higher priced 2019 Pro models and difference between gen3 and gen3.5 keyboards was noticeable but interestingly gen3.5 kb in entry pro is louder than Air 2018 older generation keyboard.
**yes I am sure it is not just you or I - I can sense that difference too where the build quality doesn't seem as good at the premium PRO (I would say its 75% there). Not sure what you mean if I slightly twist the premium pro to the base?
Exactly, noticeable difference.
Hold it in your hands from edges and then apply slight twisting motion (not so much that it would bend it too hard) and do you feeling chassis "twisting"? Is there difference in this between entry and better Pro?
I really don't know why reviews do not mention about subpar feeling quality in Pro but I have had Air 2018 and entry Pro at home for few days and I can confirm Air 2018 felt clearly more solid and no hollow at all, definitely did not feel "sub premium" at all, especially compared to entry Pro quite contrary.
Well, difference in price is over 500 where I live. I really thought of getting it anyway and I still have time to change my mind but I really don't have any need to MacBook, it was just for my first approach to MacOS, so I find it hard to justify for myself to get even higher specs model for that purpose. But I was really after premium feeling Pro machine when I decided to order entry Pro when I already had my Air purchased (but which was still within return window from my dealer).
where do you live? Best Buy the 2.4 is on sale for $1599 from 1799 think it ends today? that's -$200 so that's only a $300 difference... nonetheless the 1.4 is a fine machine .......Exactly, noticeable difference.
Hold it in your hands from edges and then apply slight twisting motion (not so much that it would bend it too hard) and do you feeling chassis "twisting"? Is there difference in this between entry and better Pro?
I try to find out if chassis is simply inferiors thinner aluminium in entry Pro.
I really don't know why reviews do not mention about subpar feeling quality in Pro but I have had Air 2018 and entry Pro at home for few days and I can confirm Air 2018 felt clearly more solid and no hollow at all, definitely did not feel "sub premium" at all, especially compared to entry Pro quite contrary.
I guess reviews concentrate only speed and display difference. I've seen some reviews even praising entry Pro speakers.
Well, difference in price is over 500 where I live. I really thought of getting it anyway and I still have time to change my mind but I really don't have any need to MacBook, it was just for my first approach to MacOS, so I find it hard to justify for myself to get even higher specs model for that purpose. But I was really after premium feeling Pro machine when I decided to order entry Pro when I already had my Air purchased (but which was still within return window from my dealer).
By the way. Can you comment on battery statistics of your machine in longer period? Also it would be interesting to see the same data from your better Pro. And other entry Pro owners, please comment your battery statistics here, please.
I would like to do an extensive battery test, but I can clearly see that the 1.4Ghz 2019 wins over the 2.3Ghz 2018 when running Cinebench R15 for 15mins straight. 2019 drops 6% and 2018 drops 11%. (keep in mind that the 2018 is at 73 cycles)
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Some pics for you sir. (The Mod doesn’t screw up your warranty, because you can always remove the thermals pads).
The bottom aluminum can get hot after running 20min Cinebench R15 (unrealistic torture), but will not burn you or anything.
It will definitely keep your "Ding Dong" warm during the winter
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