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2019 13” MBP 1.4ghz quad-core benchmarks?
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Everyone is talking about the SSD speeds being slower on the 1.4 model.
In the video I posted earlier, performance differences between the 2 models doing tasks like video editing (of the internal SSD) etc didn't seem to show that much of a difference.
In what workload would the difference be visible if write / read speeds are slower?
In the video I posted earlier, performance differences between the 2 models doing tasks like video editing (of the internal SSD) etc didn't seem to show that much of a difference.
In what workload would the difference be visible if write / read speeds are slower?
Damn it Howard, I just cancelled my 1,4ghz order and went for the 2.4ghz because of you
Sequential read/write - measures the speed of your hard drive when it comes to the transfer of large files (e.g. installing programs, copying videos, programs, photo albums or music libraries from one hard drive to another). High sequential read speeds will also shorten the loading time for large programs such as modern computer games and video editing software.
4K random read/write - measures how fast your hard drive is able to access small files that are randomly scattered across it. A hard drive with higher 4K numbers will able to multi-task better, so your operating system will be more responsive and you can run more background programs (e.g. virus shield, firewall, torrents, instant messengers etc) without any major slowdowns.
(from http://www.buildcomputers.net/hard-drive-benchmark.html)
That is true. It rarely makes much difference in real use about how fast hdd or ssd maximum transfer speed is. It makes the most difference how much it can mode 4K data, and it is at the best from few tens to few hundreds depending on testing method and read vs write.
For example I built my new Windows desktop machine couple of years ago and I chose to use my old slow sata2 ssd in that system. I finally about year ago replaced it with fast PCIe NVMe that has maximum read and write speed over 10x of that old one. Difference in 4K transfers is also higher but just few times faster in those as usual. Guess what? If I did not install it myself, I could not tell the difference in everyday use. There is a huge difference in test programs but not in normal Windows use or boot time or app start time that I would notice without timing them. I have experienced that biggest difference come when moving from spinning HDD to SSD and it means basically any SSD is noticeable faster than any HDD but moving from SSD to another SSD you hardly notice it, unless you are just moving large single files which is about the only time when actual maximum transfer speed see in test is in actual use!
Also I saw peoples being concerned about 128GB slow write speed would harm downloading speed from internet or network. It is really not since that 500MB write speed equals to that you would need 4000-5000 Mbps internet connection, who has one?
Anyway, in many ways entry level Pro seems a little cheaply made. It is not just ssd speed but overall feel. It is someway so much hollowed feeling, like when you tap the bottom plate or type keyboard. It is not as solid feeling as expensive models. Also speaker are much worse. Not that I made some extensive test between my Air 2018 and entry level Pro it is so that even Air has better sound quality and much more bass.
For example I built my new Windows desktop machine couple of years ago and I chose to use my old slow sata2 ssd in that system. I finally about year ago replaced it with fast PCIe NVMe that has maximum read and write speed over 10x of that old one. Difference in 4K transfers is also higher but just few times faster in those as usual. Guess what? If I did not install it myself, I could not tell the difference in everyday use. There is a huge difference in test programs but not in normal Windows use or boot time or app start time that I would notice without timing them. I have experienced that biggest difference come when moving from spinning HDD to SSD and it means basically any SSD is noticeable faster than any HDD but moving from SSD to another SSD you hardly notice it, unless you are just moving large single files which is about the only time when actual maximum transfer speed see in test is in actual use!
Also I saw peoples being concerned about 128GB slow write speed would harm downloading speed from internet or network. It is really not since that 500MB write speed equals to that you would need 4000-5000 Mbps internet connection, who has one?
Anyway, in many ways entry level Pro seems a little cheaply made. It is not just ssd speed but overall feel. It is someway so much hollowed feeling, like when you tap the bottom plate or type keyboard. It is not as solid feeling as expensive models. Also speaker are much worse. Not that I made some extensive test between my Air 2018 and entry level Pro it is so that even Air has better sound quality and much more bass.
A workload that involves copying a lot of data to an infinitely fast medium
On a serious side, I guess stuff like compression/decompression/unpacking, provided that the compressor is very fast. So, not much.
50% faster wifi with the 2.4? a No, don't think so, that's not what I am seeing.... for sure...
It appears that it is. You may not see it in all situations. Driving the speed limit, a Ferrari and a Corvette will both be limited to 100km/h. Both are fun, but if you get to open them up one is clearly superior. The 2.4 has an extra antenna it would appear.
The 1.4 is a 2x2 system, based on what I've seen.
The 2.4 is a certainly 3x3.
If you have the 1.4 please can you opt-click the wifi icon and show me the information.
If you have both, please do both. Within 1m of the router would be great for best results.
I really don't think there is any real difference in "build quality" as the reviewers state, except maybe the speakers..my more expense 2.4 feels the same way.... and to me the Air feels super cheap and flimsy... but that's just me....thats why I couldn't get the air in general, just not a pro.....there is a difference, hence the name...
The entry level Pro in absolutely no way feels "cheaply made" compared to the other Pros.
Playback when editing 4k video (specially with effects, certain codecs/fps, etc) would probably be a little sluggish.
The machine has the same chassis, same keyboard, same screen (essentially same specs) how does it feel like it's more flimsy and cheaply made?
In terms of speakers, anyone who really cares about sound quality knows full well any laptop is never going to provide great sound and owns a paid of headphones. Yeh it might be worse than the 2.4 model (allegedly) but they are both still quite average.
I am just saying observationally, when I open/download documents etc. not going on the numbers (and I often do not because they always don't equate....). I am all about real world work flow.....
I can check check....so its just within the WiFi icon?[doublepost=1563377518][/doublepost]
are you talking the Air and Pro?
I am just saying observationally, when I open/download documents etc. not going on the numbers (and I often do not because they always don't equate....). I am all about real world work flow.....
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are you talking the Air and Pro?
Yep, option click the wifi icon. As I said, may not make a difference for you at all. 2x2 is still good, but in some cases 3x3 is better (50% better in fact).
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I was talking about 1.4 pro vs 2.4 pro
I actually meant to quote the below. My mistake.
I am just saying observationally, when I open/download documents etc. not going on the numbers (and I often do not because they always don't equate....). I am all about real world work flow.....
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are you talking the Air and Pro?
I was talking about 1.4 pro vs 2.4 pro
I actually meant to quote the below. My mistake.
If you're using a MacBook to listen to music instead of using bluetooth or normal headphones, you're doing it wrong.
Again even it looks externally exactly the same, even the chassis may not be the same as it is "carved" differently inside to fit different sized parts, like mobo and battery. Also keyboard may be the same but still typing difference is not what I remember it was in demo models of higher priced earlier released 2019 Pro model.
I don't thing the screen is the same (well probably same P3 specs but from unknown vendor, obviously not Samsung or LG). I'm not saying the screen is bad really, but time will tell how it last and so on.
Well, my point was again there that entry level Pro you do not get the same speakers you get with higher priced Pro model in 13" size. As seen in reviews are heard with my own ears, for example 2019 2.4GHz model has better quality speakers than Air 2018. Now entry level Pro however has noticeable worse sound quality than Air 2018. I have verified that at home having the both machines here. Difference is really nearly the same level as difference seen in some recent Youtube review where they compared entry Pro to 2.4GHz Pro 2019 model.
Anyway even with these all considered I ended up returning my Air 2018 and kept the entry Pro. I just have to have Pro.
It is good to have some extra CPU power available if I ever need it, even I almost never ran my Air 2018 so that cooling fan would have started to run, so very low CPU usage and running my normal tasks I cannot say that I noticed any speed difference between the two but I don't currently do any demanding with the machine (but now I can if I ever need to do). Also screen is brighter and knowing it has P3 colors in case I ever need those.
It’s clear at this point the 15w chips are fast enough that I kind of question why they would bother with the 28w chips. I wonder how these would perform with the enhanced cooling solution however. It’s also great Apple managed to strong arm Intel into providing 15w CPUs with Iris (I’m assuming that’s what happened). In any case, I’d have to listen to the speakers but while the downgrade is lame I’m sure they’re still just fine for low volume movie watching and background music. I think sound quality was one of Apples big wins over the last few years though so it’s still disappointing regardless. Have to cut corners somewhere to fit that expensive OLED strip on the cheap product.
Anybody benchmark performance if the graphics compared to the MX150s that are common in the Windows world these days? Might be interesting to see if there’s any advantage for Intel on the low range solutions.
Anybody benchmark performance if the graphics compared to the MX150s that are common in the Windows world these days? Might be interesting to see if there’s any advantage for Intel on the low range solutions.
Probably better dual fan cooling in 28W version Pro models is something that you benefit from when you often run constantly something very CPU demanding stuff. Obviously dual fan cooling is more efficient and likely less loud under load than single fan version. In normal everyday tasks with short peaks CPU power needs both versions serve just fine average users.
Honestly difference in sound quality is even more evident in low volume music listening when compared to against Air 2018. I'd say roughly sound quality is on par with cheap Windows laptops in price range of 1/3 - 1/2 of entry Pro price. I need to run more tests but I'd say my Zenbook I paid like 600 year ago has equal or even better sound quality.
Not that anyone or I actually listens much music using just laptop speakers I'd say Aie 2018 did very well, while entry Pro is quite lame even for random use.
I'm pretty sure when we'll see first "official" reviews of entry Pro there will be more discussion about sound, ssd, battery and display quality difference.
Again I'm not saying entry Pro is no good but it that you get what you paid for in Apple's terms, meaning you don't get the same in cheaper price range you get in higher. So if CPU speed is not your main concern and you can live without TB, even 2017 nTB model could be higher quality in many parts. Keyboard is worse in 2017 model but not that much difference as the same keyboard in entry Pro does feel more premium in higher priced current Pro models.
One new positive thing in entry Pro against Air 2018. As everyone know Air 2018 has terrible camera but even camera model number appears to be exactly the same in entry Pro, it has a little bit better picture quality. Not is terms of sharpness or low light quality but in colors, it has much more richer natural colors where Air 2018 looked washed out. That is probably just some software thing used to make some visible different between the two.
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From the Verge review:
"Apple did appear to change the speakers in this model — they aren’t quite as full-sounding as before. I don’t think they are bad by any stretch, and they run laps around the speakers you get on most Windows computers, but they are noticeably tinnier sounding than on other MacBook Pro model."
"Apple did appear to change the speakers in this model — they aren’t quite as full-sounding as before. I don’t think they are bad by any stretch, and they run laps around the speakers you get on most Windows computers, but they are noticeably tinnier sounding than on other MacBook Pro model."
Yeah, but even Air 2018 has much better bass and overall sound quality. Speakers in entry Pro are more emphasizing mid range. Enough for work stuff like Facetime calls but not good for any entertainment use.
I guess some Windows laptops may have worse speakers but I think even Asus Sonicmaster Harman Hardon sound system in Zenbooks is better than this and in much lower price range (I paid 600 for mine).
I guess some Windows laptops may have worse speakers but I think even Asus Sonicmaster Harman Hardon sound system in Zenbooks is better than this and in much lower price range (I paid 600 for mine).