2019 13” MBP 1.4ghz quad-core benchmarks?

[Howard2k]

Has anybody come from a 2017 13" MBP? I just bought a 2017 base, but now wonder if the 2019 would be a better choice. Granted I paid less than a grand for the base 2017.

Any insight would be appreciated.

Depends what you want to use it for. The new 1.4 is a quad core and far more powerful, but if you don’t need the power... one thing to be aware of is the four year from new keyboard warranty. It’s early to say the 2019 is totally good, but it certainly appears to be more reliable than the 2017, and the replacement keyboard cost is horrific. But again, if you paid under a grand and don’t need the horsepower then maybe ride it till it dies or until a more tempting 2020, 2021, 2022 come out. Or until you have that $9,000 keyboard replacement bill. (Actually it’s less than $9,000, but I don’t know how much exactly.)

I have a 2015. For the most part probably slightly slower than your 2017 (except wifi) and the performance is still great for my purposes.

 

[0906742]

I doubt there is a power saver feature like that solely on a particular MBP model. I've been using Macs for years and have never noticed such an issue, indeed the trackpad snappiness is one of the main reasons I still use Macs. I don't have a Macbook Pro 2019 (yet) but I spent a good 30 minutes to an hour typing / coding on different models in the Apple store near me, and I did not notice the trackpad lag you describe.

Now that you mentioned this should not be normal, I started to investigate more what can cause it. Yesterday I already ran several speed test programs to check my unit is not stuttering because of some problem with cooling and throttling but that obviously was not the reason as speed was easily as fast as it should be compared to others with the same machine.

Since it was always 5 seconds or more inactivity when this happened in every program I tested I realized I have set keyboard backlight to automatically turn off after 5 seconds inactivity. While it does not sound like this should cause anything else than turn off the backlight it DOES. So as soon as I unchecked that there is no delay!!
But when I activate it again it does cause the same thing so that both keyboard and touchpad both go to some kind of sleep state so that there is a slight delay until it reacts if you did not touch either of them in past 5 seconds.

I also think you're blowing the keyboard feel / flex a little out of proportion. Sure, there are keyboard differences between MBP models, but if you go that far into the details then you also have to take into account the differences between different machines of the exact same model.

I know even the same models often have slight difference in how keyboards and others feel like but in these models difference just feels so huge between 2.4 and 1.4 model. Is it so that there are many keyboards vendors or do they all come from the same manufacturer?

I was able to try multiple machines, 1.4GHz, 2.4GHz.. the keyboard on different 2.4GHz machines feel slightly different. Same goes for 1.4GHz.

Did you felt or heard keyboard in 1.4 being louder and needed more force to press the keys?

Now the chassis flex I did not notice (maybe I type softer than you guys? haha) but I will check it out next time.

It is not something you notice while typing, other than there will be more hollow keyboard sounds in mentioned locations but when you press the chassis between the keys and look how the chassis flex when adding pressure you can see that in 1.4 it is very soft and easy to flex in those areas but in 2.4 it is solid as a rock and no flex at all.
But that is probably at least partly from that 2.4 model has fan underneath the keyboard in both sides and also heat pipe is somewhat more "solid". However last time I tested last years 2.3 model which I believe should be about identical structure wise to 2.4 (but with older gen. butterfly) it had some flex in the middle between G and H keys and also keys sounded hollow around that point. Anyway, that surely back up the theory of internal parts underneath the keyboard making pricier models feel more solid, and that probably has much to do with keyboard noises too as in 1.4 also right part of the keys is less loud above the area where cooling fan is located.
Still I wonder what causes different perception with force needed to press the keys between 2.4 and 1.4 models since keyboards are supposed to be the same generation (maybe they are from different vendor or there are even different revisions of the latest version out there).

 

[Prabas]

Does anyone have any idea what's the performance difference between MacBook 12" 2015 (1.2GHz / 512GB) and MacBook Pro 13" 2019 base model (1.4GHz / 256GB)? Tried googling for videos, but all I found was geekbench benchmarks, which suggest that it's 3x faster (multicore), but i'm more interested in real world usage.

 

[0906742]

It depends on what you do with the machine. Surely benchmarks will show huge difference between machines but if your everyday use is light, you probably do not even notice much anything. For example I upgraded from Air 2018 to entry Pro 2019 model and I really cannot tell the difference in speed during my typical use like web browsing and email while in benchmark programs I see huge difference. However there are other differences between the machines than just speed.

 

[Herrpod]

Compared the speakers on the 1.4 to the Air 2018 and the 1.4 is much better. Not sure why some people think they're worse, unless different speakers are being used in different units. Also watched reviews on youtube in which they compare the speakers and also conclude that the 1.4 is noticeably better and fuller sounding.

 

[0906742]

I guess it may be down to what peoples prefer as good sounding. Anyway, I would not call 2019 entry Pro fuller sounding compared to Air 2018. Even in reviews there are mentioned these Pro speakers have tinnier sound and I agree they are very "metallic" sounding but it is pretty well defined sound. It definitely lacks bass seriously compared to Air 2018.
I have tested both models side by side at home on my own desk both playing the same sound at the same time and then alternating between them by muting another and difference was pretty clear that Pro had much less (almost non existent bass) and tinnier sound than Air 2018 which is very nice for a laptop that size.

Maybe there could be variations based on manufacturing plant or batch. Interestingly my Air 2018 was from Foxconn plant (serial number begin with F) while my entry Pro 2019 is from Quanta (serial number begin with C).
I heard this entry Pro is also made in Foxconn plant, so who knows if they are better. There was someone commenting already liking the keyboard in Pro from Foxconn plant, so who knows if they use different parts (or parts from different source) in different plants. iFixit teardown showed reduced sized speakers, so hard to imagine there is much that can be down to improve them without making them bigger.

 

[ApplesandOranges]

Do you mean no difference in bending when pressing location I mentioned on keyboard on both 1.4 and 2.4?

Because today I had saw both 1.4 and 2.4 demo units at the same shop and I was able to feel the difference in materials. It was quite noticeable that keyboard bend more in 1.4 in the middle (between keys G and H) and also left part of the keyboard was bending more. However from H key toward right bending was practically none and it was the same as in 2.4. In 2.4 model there was no bending in any location of the keyboard, so I think it may be after all due to dual fan making kind of a support underneath the keyboard. Do you hear that difference in your units?

Shop had quite a lot ambient noises from other peoples, air conditioning and such so it was hard to test keyboard noise but when putting my ear close to keyboard I noticed that in 2.4 keys were silent in all location while in 1.4 model keys above cooling fan were as silent as in 2.4 but towards middle and from there to the left it got noisier. Anyway very hard to hear at shop conditions. Keyboards felt quite similar under finger. Hard to say but just as if both were a little softer than mine but it could be partly just from noise that did cover hollow sounds at store, and probably hollow sound is what makes keyboard keys "feel" stiffer to press. Or there are different keyboards randomly used. I checked demo unit manufacturing plant and date. It was from the same plant as mine and manufacturing date just little older than mine.

I also turned both units over and tested bottom plates by lightly knocking them with my knuckles. They both had the same hollow sounds when placing ear close to the bottom plate. Obviously some Pro model feature because in my Air 2018 bottom plate felt and sound completely solid. Or was that from the swelling battery? That unit had weak battery so who knows...

I also quickly checked displays and they were pretty identical, even colors seemed about the same, just some difference in color temp. Both had very slight uniformity so that left part was reddish and right part bluish slightly darker (very suble and hard to see).
In 2.4 wa LG panel and in 1.4 was the same as mine. I also noticed that this FMX may be referring to serial number. In 2.4 with LG panel also show the same length string starting with F but after that no the same but had same number of characters in it, so it just may be referring to serial no. In 2.4 ioreg command clearly said LP.... so on as panel type, so definitely LG but in 1.4 there is nothing clearly shown with the same command other than that FMX.... So it remains a mystery, what the panel really turns out to be.

Interestingly 2.4 model had SWD battery (maybe referring to Sunwoda?) and 1.4 had SMP (Simplo) just like my 1.4.


So in short chassis bending in keyboard area was much worse in 1.4 while 2.4 was almost solid as a rock.
Keyboard keys felt about the same how they felt under finger when pressing them. Keyboard noise was louder in 1.4 from keyboard middle and toward left, but was about the same in right part keys, but that noise test was very hard to make in conditions at the shop.

How hard do you type that you are concerned with flexing? I am typing on the 1.4 as we speak. I notice no flex, no difference in sound between the outer and inner keys when typing. Why are you pushing so hard to flex the chassis?

I am still trying to figure out what pushing, and knocking on various parts of a laptop has to do with everyday use?
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Depends what you want to use it for. The new 1.4 is a quad core and far more powerful, but if you don’t need the power... one thing to be aware of is the four year from new keyboard warranty. It’s early to say the 2019 is totally good, but it certainly appears to be more reliable than the 2017, and the replacement keyboard cost is horrific. But again, if you paid under a grand and don’t need the horsepower then maybe ride it till it dies or until a more tempting 2020, 2021, 2022 come out. Or until you have that $9,000 keyboard replacement bill. (Actually it’s less than $9,000, but I don’t know how much exactly.)

I have a 2015. For the most part probably slightly slower than your 2017 (except wifi) and the performance is still great for my purposes.

I swapped out my 13" 2017 for a 13" 2019 with 256gb. I like the Touch Bar and the keys are noticeably quieter. So far so good.

 

[ghanwani]

I swapped out my 13" 2017 for a 13" 2019 with 256gb. I like the Touch Bar and the keys are noticeably quieter. So far so good.

Cool! If you like the touch bar, then the 2019 is definitely a better option. Also with 256GB, the performance is very decent. I returned my 2.4 and the 1.4/8/256 is what I'm leaning towards getting.

 

[jgorman]

I am not sure about the 256GB drives in the new MBP and the new MBA. You pay $200 for an extra 128 GB.

The 256GB internal SSD of the new MBP has a write speed of 1.2 GB/s and a read speed of 1.8 GB/s.

The 256GB internal SSD of the new MBA has a write speed of 1.0 GB/s and a read speed of 1.4 GB/s.

You can get a 500GB Samsung X5 portable SSD on Amazon for $200, which has a write speed of 2.1 GB/s and a read speed of 2.8 GB/s.

 

[ghanwani]

I am not sure about the 256GB drives in the new MBP and the new MBA. You pay $200 for an extra 128 GB.

The 256GB internal SSD of the new MBP has a write speed of 1.2 GB/s and a read speed of 1.8 GB/s.

The 256GB internal SSD of the new MBA has a write speed of 1.0 GB/s and a read speed of 1.4 GB/s.

You can get a 500GB Samsung X5 portable SSD on Amazon for $200, which has a write speed of 2.1 GB/s and a read speed of 2.8 GB/s.

There is no choice but to pay the Apple tax and live with whatever performance, if one is not willing to lug around a separate drive (which I am not). Also the speed of the 256 GB is a lot better than the 128 GB, and that will help with swap/memory management as well as boot performance.

As to Samsung, check the reviews on Amazon. So many 1- & 2-star reviews with folks complaining that they don't get advertised speeds and/or that it degrades over time, perhaps due to fragmentation, and that it heats up.

I have a 256 GB Samsung thumb drive that I use for backups and it does get hot.

 

[jgorman]

The write speed of the 128 GB internal drive is poor, but the 256 GB version is also poor. I do not think it matters for swap or boot.

The Samsung X5 has a variant of the Samsung 970 EVO inside. It is a state-of-the-art SSD.

 

[kindaichi81]

my 2017 macbook pro TB 13-inch has a write speed of 2.1 gigabytes per second.

 

[0906742]

How hard do you type that you are concerned with flexing? I am typing on the 1.4 as we speak.

I try not to hit it hard when I'm typing. But, yes keyboard keys are stiffer in entry Pro compared to Air 2018. I already learned to type with Air 2018 keyboard so that I press the keys very softly, but due to stiffer more clicks keys on the entry Pro it is definitely difficult and currently I tend to hit the keys harder than I had with my Air.

It is not flexing when I'm typing, it is just something you notice when you compare chassis rigidity between 2.4 and 1.4 by pressing mentioned locations with your finger purposely.
But, yes I do notice 1.4 making hollow sound when just typing keyboard compared to 2.4, so that shows up in everyday use too.

I notice no flex, no difference in sound between the outer and inner keys when typing.

Interesting if you cannot notice difference in keyboard sound between left, middle and right parts of the keyboard. Really? Could you comment is your machine from C or F factory (it can be seen from machine serial number first character which is either C or F)? I ask this because already one person here mentioned liking the 1.4 keyboard and his unit is from F factory, so maybe they are using better keyboards there, or then just peoples personal preferences differ so much.

Why are you pushing so hard to flex the chassis?
I am still trying to figure out what pushing, and knocking on various parts of a laptop has to do with everyday use?

Just to check and compare build quality between models.
No different from what peoples do when they are buying a car.

What does this mean to everyday use having a good vs bad quality product with lots of flexing? Well, it is something that can some day make a lot of difference. Flexing parts, even just keyboard increase possibility of problems in the future due to soldering breaking up and such. As we know mainboard is bolted under the keyboards means that in machines where there is a lot of flex in keyboard will also get some mainboard flex and it is not good in the long run.
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my 2017 macbook pro TB 13-inch has a write speed of 2.1 gigabytes per second.

Not that it makes much difference in everyday use how fast your ssd is as long as you have one instead of traditional spinning hdd, I still wonder where they have found this slow NVMe SSD's used in entry Pro today? I mean if you go buy a separate PCIe NVMe SSD at any price range, they are faster than this.

 

[ApplesandOranges]

I try not to hit it hard when I'm typing. But, yes keyboard keys are stiffer in entry Pro compared to Air 2018. I already learned to type with Air 2018 keyboard so that I press the keys very softly, but due to stiffer more clicks keys on the entry Pro it is definitely difficult and currently I tend to hit the keys harder than I had with my Air.

It is not flexing when I'm typing, it is just something you notice when you compare chassis rigidity between 2.4 and 1.4 by pressing mentioned locations with your finger purposely.
But, yes I do notice 1.4 making hollow sound when just typing keyboard compared to 2.4, so that shows up in everyday use too.


Interesting if you cannot notice difference in keyboard sound between left, middle and right parts of the keyboard. Really? Could you comment is your machine from C or F factory (it can be seen from machine serial number first character which is either C or F)? I ask this because already one person here mentioned liking the 1.4 keyboard and his unit is from F factory, so maybe they are using better keyboards there, or then just peoples personal preferences differ so much.


Just to check and compare build quality between models.
No different from what peoples do when they are buying a car.

What does this mean to everyday use having a good vs bad quality product with lots of flexing? Well, it is something that can some day make a lot of difference. Flexing parts, even just keyboard increase possibility of problems in the future due to soldering breaking up and such. As we know mainboard is bolted under the keyboards means that in machines where there is a lot of flex in keyboard will also get some mainboard flex and it is not good in the long run.
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Not that it makes much difference in everyday use how fast your ssd is as long as you have one instead of traditional spinning hdd, I still wonder where they have found this slow NVMe SSD's used in entry Pro today? I mean if you go buy a separate PCIe NVMe SSD at any price range, they are faster than this.

F Factory. Just picked it up from Best Buy yesterday.

 

[0906742]

F Factory. Just picked it up from Best Buy yesterday.

Interesting, maybe my hunch was right that big differences between product depending on which factory they are from... You are already second person with F factory entry MBP telling keyboard feels good.

Can you confirm following things to make sure?
1. When you intentionally press chassis between G and H keys and look carefully, you see absolutely no flex?
It is exactly the same if you try the same point between the keys ; and '?

2. When you keep clicking several times key A and then same for G and finally ' (the key on the left from enter), you absolutely hear no difference in sound (A and G are no hollow sounding compared to ')? This test need to be done in relatively quiet room, so that you can actually hear it well enough.

Out of curiosity what battery brand and full charge and design charge capacity battery is in F factory unit?
Does it have 3D (FMX) or 3E (LG) display panel?

 

[Howard2k]

My 2015 will flex if I push hard enough between the G and H keys.

This is the first time I've tried it, I normally don't go around trying to bend it, but I'm not sure that it's necessarily off spec. My HP will also bend if I do the same thing.

 

[0906742]

My 2015 will flex if I push hard enough between the G and H keys.

I also tested that at the shop for 2017 MBP nTB and it did have about identical flex to that of entry MBP 2019 model. However 2.4 MBP 2019 model is solid as a rock, and also it makes no hollow sounds when hitting keyboard key located at flexing locations.

This is the first time I've tried it, I normally don't go around trying to bend it, but I'm not sure that it's necessarily off spec. My HP will also bend if I do the same thing.

I'm not suggesting it is a faulty product, but it is something that makes quality of the product feel much lesser compared to models with solid chassis. That hollow sounding keyboard really make it feel cheap in my opinion.
Also flexing chassis is nearly always bad for durability if there are parts underneath flexing locations that will see the flex too. I mean like if there is mainboard bolted underneath the keyboard and it flexes too when keyboard flex it will eventually break very likely (soldering can take only so many times flex until they break).

Anyway it would be interesting to find out in case entry MBP 2019 models have substantial difference between F and C factories regarding how solid they feel and how clicky keyboards are (are they more clicky from C factory and need more force to press the key)?

 

[kp98077]

Cool! If you like the touch bar, then the 2019 is definitely a better option. Also with 256GB, the performance is very decent. I returned my 2.4 and the 1.4/8/256 is what I'm leaning towards getting.

you returned a 2019 2.4 for a 1.4?

 

[0906742]

Anyone with 1.4GHz entry Pro 2019 (or 2.4GHz Pro 2019 might help too) having CoconutBattery and Cinebench R20 installed could do me a big favor?

Run machine on battery (charger unplugged of course)
1. Check battery full charge capacity from CoconutBattery and write it down
2. Then run CineBench
3. Wait until test has ran for couple minutes and about where CPU fan is screaming at full speed,
4. Run CoconutBattery while Cinebenench test is still running background and check what it shows Full Charge Capacity and write it down

You saw any drop in Full Charge Capacity when Cinebench was running? Please list values.

I need to verify this because it looks like I have a bad battery once again with my new machine...

 

[0906742]

Really? Noboby with new entry MBP 2019 having these programs installed in their machine? They are both free programs.

I'd be really appreciated if 1.4 entry MBP 2019 owners (and even 2.4 machine readings could give some advice) could check that because I'm experiencing some issues with battery and I'm trying to figure out if it is faulty or just something else causing that.

 

[Howard2k]

Really? Noboby with new entry MBP 2019 having these programs installed in their machine? They are both free programs.

I'd be really appreciated if 1.4 entry MBP 2019 owners (and even 2.4 machine readings could give some advice) could check that because I'm experiencing some issues with battery and I'm trying to figure out if it is faulty or just something else causing that.

I don't have a 2019. I think I mentioned it in another post, I believe you're expecting precise measurements of battery capacity and I don't believe those exist.

The numbers in CoconutBattery are estimates as far as I know. Looking at the history of my battery (I also use CoconutBattery) there are instances where my capacity has gone down and then back up again over time. I don't think the battery is actually creating extra capacity.

Battery usage and degradation are not linear, and I don't believe that the measurements from the battery are exact.

 

[0906742]

Yeah I know but when you run Cinebench and monitor battery capacity while it is running (charger unplugged of course), you see it dropping while test is drawing the most power? Remember to take reading also before starting Cinebench. Battery values update about every 1 minute, so it does not show immediately, but when test has ran couple minutes already.

 

[ApplesandOranges]

Anyone with 1.4GHz entry Pro 2019 (or 2.4GHz Pro 2019 might help too) having CoconutBattery and Cinebench R20 installed could do me a big favor?

Run machine on battery (charger unplugged of course)
1. Check battery full charge capacity from CoconutBattery and write it down
2. Then run CineBench
3. Wait until test has ran for couple minutes and about where CPU fan is screaming at full speed,
4. Run CoconutBattery while Cinebenench test is still running background and check what it shows Full Charge Capacity and write it down

You saw any drop in Full Charge Capacity when Cinebench was running? Please list values.

I need to verify this because it looks like I have a bad battery once again with my new machine...

You are looking over your new laptop with a fine toothed comb, asking people to run tests, post on other threads about scratches you found in bright light, looking for issues and problems, I have to ask. What are you trying to accomplish?

My advise to you is let it go. You will never be satisfied if you continue. You are going to drive yourself crazy inspecting every aspect of your laptop with a magnifying glass, benchmark tests, and bright lights.
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Really? Noboby with new entry MBP 2019 having these programs installed in their machine? They are both free programs.

I'd be really appreciated if 1.4 entry MBP 2019 owners (and even 2.4 machine readings could give some advice) could check that because I'm experiencing some issues with battery and I'm trying to figure out if it is faulty or just something else causing that.

Why should they have them installed? I have never had a use for them.

 

[0906742]

Why should they have them installed? I have never had a use for them.

Really? This whole thread is about 1.4GHz benchmarks. that's why

No really, I have something about battery I'm not sure it is normal. That simple test would give me definite answer is it or not. Or else I would have to send mine to service or get it replaced possibly in vain.

With display coating, I guess I have to live with it like it is, since all these MBP machines seem have it fragile and not just rare faulty unit. Just wanted to make sure that too.

 

[alias99]

Really? This whole thread is about 1.4GHz benchmarks. that's why

No really, I have something about battery I'm not sure it is normal. That simple test would give me definite answer is it or not. Or else I would have to send mine to service or get it replaced possibly in vain.

With display coating, I guess I have to live with it like it is, since all these MBP machines seem have it fragile and not just rare faulty unit. Just wanted to make sure that too.

Why dont you return it and get a new one. You are clearly unsure about the machine.