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Honestly with the Ferrari's natural speed, even if LeClerc had defended "fairly" and Lewis had been able to get past, once LeClerc had the tow and DRS he'd have easily taken the position back on the next lap down the main straight. So Lewis really has no leg to stand on, IMO, and I am glad the stewards treated it as a racing incident.
 
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It was appropriate. Sure the fact that it was Monza played a role. Would you honestly expect less from 2019’s FIA? Let them race. You can bet money Hamilton will be more aggressive starting in Singapore after his dumbass comment post race “the new generation drivers are being allowed to be more aggressive than the more skilled drivers. I can see that now.” I almost wet my pants laughing so hard. Ok Lewis be more aggressive. It’s not going to extend your career. Put you in anything other that a Mercedes that past 4 seasons and your an above average driver born with a golden spoon in your mouth. The writing is on the wall. I’ve never been shy about my dislike of Hamilton and his adolescent comments after the race were no different than a Mad Max temper tantrum. :apple:
That’s the thing I like about Hamilton, he divides opinion and with very little effort. Charles probably would have had my fist on the end of his nose if I’d have been Lewis. All good fun though, exciting to watch.

How can you be born with a golden spoon in your mouth because you’ve spent 4 years at Mercedes though? That comment left me a bit confused as Hamilton’s background is hardly privileged. When you compare him to drivers with wealthy parents who paid for their children’s careers like Vettel, Verstappen, Rosberg etc, he’s not done bad through hard work.
 
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I didn’t think he deserved it, I’ve seen Lewis so worst, but apparently they have asked for the flag to be used more now. They seem to change the rules every race IMO.
But there was no penalty? Not sure what the problem was.

However on the subject of penalties, Vettel should have points on his licence for what he did. He literally drove into Stroll. Shocking.
 
That’s the thing I like about Hamilton, he divides opinion and with very little effort. Charles probably would have had my fist on the end of his nose if I’d have been Lewis. All good fun though, exciting to watch.

How can you be born with a golden spoon in your mouth because you’ve spent 4 years at Mercedes though? That comment left me a bit confused as Hamilton’s background is hardly privileged. When you compare him to drivers with wealthy parents who paid for their children’s careers like Vettel, Verstappen, Rosberg etc, he’s not done bad through hard work.

Alright, I’ll rescind my Golden Spoon comment. Hamilton has done the exact same thing to dozens of drivers over the years. They should have had their fists in his face those times as well.

I was simply ticked off at his comment that the new generation is being allowed to drive differently than his implying his generation are more skilled. To stand there and somehow minimize Leclerc’s driving ability due to his age was simply another exercise in self absorption by Lewis. Leclerc is the real deal, a class act, and more mature than Hamilton will ever be.

Lewis needs to spend a weekend watching his replays from his early 20’s before making more comments about how much more “seasoned/skilled” he is compared to the approaching generation. He is in his twilight and I look forward to his eventual retirement from F1. :apple:
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But there was no penalty? Not sure what the problem was.

However on the subject of penalties, Vettel should have points on his licence for what he did. He literally drove into Stroll. Shocking.

I agree with this. Seb deserved points on his Super License for that move. Even I was shocked by it. :apple:
 
Great race. I think if it had been anywhere else LeClerc gets a penalty if not two.
But ultimately I’m glad they didn’t rob us of the battle. Lewis just didn’t have the power on the straights.
But Vettel overtaken by LeClerc in the championship is an interesting one. Who will Ferrari back for the remainder of the season? Got to be LeClerc surly?

Funny how that worked out today. Obviously for the sport it was better for Ferrari to win in Monza. It was a spectacular scene.

I'm fine with the warning for Charles but they've given penalties for less. It's that kind of season for Vettel. He got reprimanded in Montreal, giving Lewis the win. Now Charles gets the slap on the wrist and people are saying he should be #1. Careers are made and broken like this!
 
They never penalize KMag and he weaves around the track like he's permanently warming his tires. :rolleyes:

They also did not penalize Sainz for taking Albon to the edge, so if they had penalized LeClerc, that would have been "inconsistent".


However on the subject of penalties, Vettel should have points on his licence for what he did. He literally drove into Stroll. Shocking.
I agree with this. Seb deserved points on his Super License for that move. Even I was shocked by it. :apple:

Vettel has been docked three points on his license for the collision. He is now at 9 and at 12 he will be banned for one race.
 
They never penalize KMag and he weaves around the track like he's permanently warming his tires. :rolleyes:

They also did not penalize Sainz for taking Albon to the edge, so if they had penalized LeClerc, that would have been "inconsistent".





Vettel has been docked three points on his license for the collision. He is now at 9 and at 12 he will be banned for one race.

Thank you. Didn’t know that. Well deserved. :apple:
 
They never penalize KMag and he weaves around the track like he's permanently warming his tires. :rolleyes:

They also did not penalize Sainz for taking Albon to the edge, so if they had penalized LeClerc, that would have been "inconsistent".





Vettel has been docked three points on his license for the collision. He is now at 9 and at 12 he will be banned for one race.
Quite right too. He could have killed someone.
 
But there was no penalty? Not sure what the problem was.

However on the subject of penalties, Vettel should have points on his licence for what he did. He literally drove into Stroll. Shocking.

He got a black and white flag which they give you for dangerous driving, if you then do something else again like that then they will penalise you, they gave it for squeezing Lewis off track, how many times have we seen that... hundreds and NO action is ever taken. Hence my complaint.

And Vettel did get points on his driving license.
 
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Alright, I’ll rescind my Golden Spoon comment. Hamilton has done the exact same thing to dozens of drivers over the years. They should have had their fists in his face those times as well.

I was simply ticked off at his comment that the new generation is being allowed to drive differently than his implying his generation are more skilled. To stand there and somehow minimize Leclerc’s driving ability due to his age was simply another exercise in self absorption by Lewis. Leclerc is the real deal, a class act, and more mature than Hamilton will ever be.

Lewis needs to spend a weekend watching his replays from his early 20’s before making more comments about how much more “seasoned/skilled” he is compared to the approaching generation. He is in his twilight and I look forward to his eventual retirement from F1. :apple:
I agree Lewis has raced just as aggressive in the past and often not got away with it. Crowding someone off the track under breaking got LeClec the blank and white flag for dangerous driving but carried no penalty which means it’s changed the game which I think Lewis was alluding to. I watched his interviews and thought he seemed slightly annoyed but incredibly professional in his responses. Not sure what you meant by the tantrums as that was what I expected to see but didn’t?

I hope Lewis takes this as a green light to going back to his more aggressive ways and we see a few wheel banging incidents in future races. It’ll be interesting to see how fans like yourself react to that. I think we’ve got some good racing coming up!
 
He got a black and white flag which they give you for dangerous driving, if you then do something else again like that then they will penalise you, they gave it for squeezing Lewis off track, how many times have we seen that... hundreds and NO action is ever taken. Hence my complaint.

And Vettel did get points on his driving license.
But it’s basically a warning. Better than a drive through which would have ruined the race.
He clearly didn’t leave any room for Lewis. I’ve certainly seen a lot of penalties given for that.

Like most sports it’s the inconsistency that infuriates fans.
The B&W flag hasn’t been seen much in F1 and I think is a response to the complaints about endless penalties which rob the fans of racing.
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I agree Lewis has raced just as aggressive in the past and often not got away with it. Crowding someone off the track under breaking got LeClec the blank and white flag for dangerous driving but carried no penalty which means it’s changed the game which I think Lewis was alluding to. I watched his interviews and thought he seemed slightly annoyed but incredibly professional in his responses. Not sure what you meant by the tantrums as that was what I expected to see but didn’t?

I hope Lewis takes this as a green light to going back to his more aggressive ways and we see a few wheel banging incidents in future races. It’ll be interesting to see how fans like yourself react to that. I think we’ve got some good racing coming up!
I’m certainly enjoying the Ferraris and Mercs being close in race pace.

In the less power hungry tracks, RBR are there or there about as well.

Could be a good end to the season.
 
I agree Lewis has raced just as aggressive in the past and often not got away with it. Crowding someone off the track under breaking got LeClec the blank and white flag for dangerous driving but carried no penalty which means it’s changed the game which I think Lewis was alluding to. I watched his interviews and thought he seemed slightly annoyed but incredibly professional in his responses. Not sure what you meant by the tantrums as that was what I expected to see but didn’t?

I hope Lewis takes this as a green light to going back to his more aggressive ways and we see a few wheel banging incidents in future races. It’ll be interesting to see how fans like yourself react to that. I think we’ve got some good racing coming up!

Two individuals can view the same interview and come away with differing interpretations. ;)
 
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It was appropriate. Sure the fact that it was Monza played a role. Would you honestly expect less from 2019’s FIA? Let them race. You can bet money Hamilton will be more aggressive starting in Singapore after his dumbass comment post race “the new generation drivers are being allowed to be more aggressive than the more skilled drivers. I can see that now.” I almost wet my pants laughing so hard. Ok Lewis be more aggressive. It’s not going to extend your career. Put you in anything other that a Mercedes that past 4 seasons and your an above average driver born with a golden spoon in your mouth. The writing is on the wall. I’ve never been shy about my dislike of Hamilton and his adolescent comments after the race were no different than a Mad Max temper tantrum. :apple:
inconsistencies is a problem. Mad Max got a penalty for the same move Leclerc made on Lewis. He also got away with not getting a penalty when he pushed Leclerc off the track. I am all for letting them race but you have to stay consistent. A black and white flag is not a penalty.
 
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Alright, I’ll rescind my Golden Spoon comment. Hamilton has done the exact same thing to dozens of drivers over the years. They should have had their fists in his face those times as well.

I was simply ticked off at his comment that the new generation is being allowed to drive differently than his implying his generation are more skilled. To stand there and somehow minimize Leclerc’s driving ability due to his age was simply another exercise in self absorption by Lewis. Leclerc is the real deal, a class act, and more mature than Hamilton will ever be.

Lewis needs to spend a weekend watching his replays from his early 20’s before making more comments about how much more “seasoned/skilled” he is compared to the approaching generation. He is in his twilight and I look forward to his eventual retirement from F1. :apple:
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I agree with this. Seb deserved points on his Super License for that move. Even I was shocked by it. :apple:
He did get 3 points on his super license for the incident. With regard to the Leclerc Hamilton incident. There is a serious risk that these incidents are going to make things more dangerous. Leclerc learned a lesson from the incident with Max when he was pushed off the track. He said it himself at the time when he said that if this is what is allowed he will change the way he drives in the future. Lewis is in a completely different position to the rest of the drivers. There is no reason for him to be extra aggressive and take risk that will take him out of the points in any race for the rest of this year. He is so far ahead of the rest of the drivers that he will always make the calculation that any points is better than none. Next year we can expect him to have a different attitude.
 
But it’s basically a warning. Better than a drive through which would have ruined the race.
He clearly didn’t leave any room for Lewis. I’ve certainly seen a lot of penalties given for that.

Like most sports it’s the inconsistency that infuriates fans.
The B&W flag hasn’t been seen much in F1 and I think is a response to the complaints about endless penalties which rob the fans of racing.
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I’m certainly enjoying the Ferraris and Mercs being close in race pace.

In the less power hungry tracks, RBR are there or there about as well.

Could be a good end to the season.

I think he left as much room as hundreds of other drivers do, and they never got any penalties. Plus he was in front approaching the corner and Lewis was at fault I think a bit.
 
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I think he left as much room as hundreds of other drivers do, and they never got any penalties. Plus he was in front approaching the corner and Lewis was at fault I think a bit.
You’re the only one with that opinion. But you are very biased when it comes to Lewis. Haters are going to hate.
 
I think he left as much room as hundreds of other drivers do, and they never got any penalties. Plus he was in front approaching the corner and Lewis was at fault I think a bit.
Plenty of drivers have got penalties for crowding others off the circuit in the braking zone though. Verstappen the most recent I think? I can’t see how Lewis was at fault even a little bit here as he was already on the outside at the limit. Charles didn’t need to push him towards the grass from the inside. The FIA need to clarify really as I can see other drivers doing this, most definitely Lewis as they would be well within their rights.

Reminded me a bit of Austria ‘16 where Rosberg deliberately went deep to push Lewis off the circuit but argued he could do it as he had the inside line. It’s not good sportsmanship whatever the FIA decide.
 
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