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2019 iPhones Could Have Smaller Notch as Apple 'Looking Into' Combining Face ID and Front Camera

hlfway2anywhere said:
Specifically what are all the errors bugs and quirks you're talking about? What exact issues are you experiencing with face ID on your iPhone X?
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Just go over to the iPhone section of MacRumors...

Baymowe335 said:
All of us happy iPhone X users will be able to buy the next one too.

Btw, you’re pretty much always a beta tester in technology. Face ID 2 with combined cameras will have its own quirks, buddy.

Btw, current FaceID is gold...works great.
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As off late, Apple has always had a bad habbit of releasing first gen devices into the public that are deamed beta devices for consumers. Based off on that, they fix the issues for the next revision.

See: iPad, Retina MBR, Apple Watch.

As per you being happy about your phone, great for you. Glad it works.
 
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spazzcat said:
I assume people that complain about it, haven't used an X.
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I dont own one. But the phone design with the notch is super ugly. That's all. I don't care whether notch disappears when you use the phone or not. Apple used to be about beautiful deisgn. You didn't have to appreciate a MacBook pro or Macbook Air after opening it. Just the sight of those would make you marvel at Apple's perfectionist mindset. IphoneX makes me throw up!
 
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I don't get FaceID.

Ives said he always wanted to create an iPhone that was a clean sheet of glass. That's never going to be possible with a camera system. It would have been possible with a finger print recognition mounted under the glass and in front of the display.

I don't know... I am not sold on FaceID.
 
And at the other end of the debate, I still find the whole concept of Face ID creepy.
 
What puzzles me is the (software) design choice Apple have made, to amplify the appearance of the notch, rather than disguise it.

For me, this is a far more attractive screen implementation:

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..but I know Apple disagree, and have actively advised developers not to design like this, but to preserve the notch appearance. Puzzling.
 
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Ah man... now another version of the screen that developers need to design for!

I personally think a smaller notch looks more silly than a big notch... the Essential Phones dot for the camera notch looks really bad.

I think the notch should go bigger so that it covers the whole top of the screen... oh wait, that's what I have with the Note 8! #maximumnotch
 
Personally I never notice the notch, but I thought it would be interesting if they moved the notch to the bottom and double it up as a home button.

Then the top of your screen would be edgeless
 
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newyorksole said:
People that actually HAVE the iPhone X, does the notch even bother you?

I’ve had 1 since launch day and have zero issues with the notch. You don’t even notice it while using the phone! Lol

And I mean, it doesn’t even bother me when it comes to the few videos I watch on my phone.
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It bothers me in landscape. Other than that, I don't have a problem with it.
 
iMi said:
I don't get FaceID.

Ives said he always wanted to create an iPhone that was a clean sheet of glass. That's never going to be possible with a camera system. It would have been possible with a finger print recognition mounted under the glass and in front of the display.

I don't know... I am not sold on FaceID.
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Wrong, under display sensors will be standard as soon as we get microleds displays, reason, these microleds are so small that almost all of the display is empty, just a few % is microleds.
Even the speaker can be under the display although I think a phone is too small for that tech, a Sony OLED TV has sound from behind the display.
 
BMcCoy said:
What puzzles me is the (software) design choice Apple have made, to amplify the appearance of the notch, rather than disguise it.

For me, this is a far more attractive screen implementation:

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..but I know Apple disagree, and have actively advised developers not to design like this, but to preserve the notch appearance. Puzzling.
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Exactly! The physical notch design is fine. The design implementation is the issue. The picture you posted is beautiful.

Apple could easily turn this problem into a non-issue by giving users the choice of turning the notch off, as shown in your picture.
 
honglong1976 said:
Which is exactly what someone would say who has an iPhone X (justification for the purchase) :)

Apple release iPhone with notch - those bought it say you can't even notice the notch is there. What notch, said one guy.

Apple releases iPhone without notch - Same guy says, that notch was so noticeable. I am glad apple got rid of it. Insert random text about Jony Ive is back and the notch wouldn't have happened under Steve Jobs!
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As an iPhone 6 Plus holdout with no intention to upgrade until the 2018 iPhone, I can honestly say the notch doesn't really seem like something that would bother me. Hands down I would prefer the notch design to the huge bezels design. Would it be even better 100% screen with no notch? Of course. No one would argue otherwise (even notch advocates)
 
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busyscott said:
Thank God Jonny is back at the helm. I’ve got no doubt he hates this stupid notch as much as the rest of us.
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Well, at least 'some' of the 'rest of us' either don't care or actually appreciate the notch.

I think folks who 'hate the notch' or think it's bad design (as the quote in the original article) don't consider the alternatives: a bigger bezel or a black bar that always just has the various status icons. The former then necessitates that the status bar take up a few mm on the screen - making the real estate for content that much smaller. The latter partially alleviates the former while on the home screen, but apps (e.g. movies) don't get to use the real estate at all.

Apple chose the latter. Apps can choose to ignore the extra space or use it. How is that bad? The only mistake I think Apple has made is to have its Safari browser decide to use that space in horizontal mode. From what I hear, that results in web pages potentially getting screwed up or having to be coded specifically for the X.
 
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recoil80 said:
I have an 8+ but every time I hold an X at the store or at office I don't find the notch disturbing in portrait mode.
It is really ugly when you turn the phone in landscape, but the iPhone is meant to be used in portrait most of the time, so I don't think it is a big deal.
The notch wasn't the reason why I chose the 8+ this year, and I'm ready to move to an X like iPhone whenever the cost will go down.

That said, as soon as they'll be able to get rid of the notch and have even more room for display they'll change the design. 2019 looks early to me, but let's see
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The notch never bothers me in portrait mode. I would only notice it in landscape mode when the notch was on the left while reading text. But once I flipped it to the right so it was no longer at the beginning of the line I was reading I really don't notice it very much.
 
BMcCoy said:
What puzzles me is the (software) design choice Apple have made, to amplify the appearance of the notch, rather than disguise it.

For me, this is a far more attractive screen implementation:

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..but I know Apple disagree, and have actively advised developers not to design like this, but to preserve the notch appearance. Puzzling.
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As a designer, I personally think apple's choice is much better.

Almost all these renders of hiding the notch with a dark status bar only shows the top half of the phone. But if we consider the design of the phone as a whole, this kind of design is heavier on the top and lighter on the bottom (which does not meet the cognitive habits of a handheld device). That's why other "full-screen" phones like the Essential Phone or the Mi Mix chose to live with the bottom bezel instead of the top one.

The iPhone X screen reaches all four corners, making it "conceptually filled" the entire top surface of the phone. This design serves as the start point of a new evolution. Gradually the notch would be removed when the technology to hide the sensors behind the screen is mature. For now, it's the conceptual representation of the same "full-screen" concept with technical compromises. As a marketing effort, it's differentiated from the design of the competitors (heavily reduce but conserve 1 or 2 bezels), making it iconic for the next few years (just like the design with round home button in previous iPhones).

Also, in most of the cases, people scroll to the bottom to view the content of the interface, making the bottom half of the screen the "source" of information. For this reason, in actual use case, the visual focus center of a phone is below the midline, making the notch less noticeable, considering the user interface is moving all the time. As an iPhone X user, the notch doesn't get in the way at all when I'm using the phone.
 
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So notch haters want less screen real estate?

A 100% bezeless phone isn’t possible yet. Give me the notch for now until that happens.

The notch makes the display “feel” filled out and bezeless.
 
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