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2019 iPhones Could Have Smaller Notch as Apple 'Looking Into' Combining Face ID and Front Camera
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Exactly. That’s how we know what a colossal misstep the home button was.
lol. This proves the notch was never a thing and they worked it into one due to their own lack of innovation.
Remember, FaceID is MUCH more and will be much much more than a way to authenticate your phone. Apple is thinking bigger than the first version of FaceID. TouchID is essentially only an authentication system. Very limited.
This is the single biggest thing people struggle with on this debate.
FaceID is NOT simply a replacement for TouchID.
I tried an IphX. The notch isn't an issue for me either. Then again, I was never attuned to the "fashion side" of these things. For example, the camera lens protruding out from the device like in the current crop of Iphones, and the ipod Touch 5 were never an issue for me either, but I recall articles stating Steve Jobs would absolutely refuse to allow an iPhone with the camera lens protruding out. His engineers told him how impractical that would be, whereas as he'd replied to make the lens go sideways, and use lenses that can bend the light. Another is when Apple released a bunch of LG branded computer monitors. Many MR users lambasted them, saying the aesthetics, styling don't match up with the Mac hardware they're being used with. These were monitors being produced with Apple's input, so they had some say in how they turned out. I wouldn't have cared about this either. If the price was right and it did what I needed to do, then all the better.
The right one is soo much better than the left one, so, to me, Apple got it right.
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I disagree. It was unavoidable with the cameras and sensors being placed at the top of the screen. If they didn't want the nothc then they would have gone with a straight black bar across the top. By making the notch smaller (read: still there) they're going for even more screen real estate. Granted, the additional space is small, but is still an addition nonetheless.
Not sure where you're getting the 1/8 from. The notch takes up between 3-4% of space vertically (or horizontally in landscape mode). That's roughly 1/27 of the screen in that direction. Unless you're talking about the additional video that is getting cut off in the zoom mode (which is closer to 21%). But even if the notch wasn't there, you'd still be losing a lot of video in the zoom mode.
The top shows 16:9 video on iPhone X screen. The middle shows what 16:9 video is cut off in zoom mode. The bottom shows how many notches fit across the screen. And before you ask, why yes, I am bored at work today.
I honestly believe once Touch ID couldn't be done under the screen, they went into plan z mode and released the "iPhone 8" that wasn't going to exist as well as the notch gimmicked X. I bet a story 10 to 15 years from now will come out about this absurdity behind the scenes of them scrambling to put both these models out in time for the release because they weren't the first choice.
Then I guess you're not buying another iphone for *at least* three years... Guess you'll have to go android or hold out for the foreseeable future
I'm asking you specifically. I can find issues about literally any product on a forum.
I've gotten used to it, but I do still think the protruding lens is somewhat of a design flaw. I understand it though. However I do take issue with Apple or other companies touting certain thinness without taking the depth of the camera into consideration. The phone is only as thin as its thickest part, regardless of how small it is.
The notch, on the other hand, is just not an issue for me. It was a little jarring at first since it's definitely noticeable, but I don't think any other solution (black bar) looks better. I think it actually looks worse, according to the design suggestion image posted a few comments back.
Nope, how many years you think it took to develop FaceID, do you really think Apple engineered that in say what.... a few months to a year max.!
I think they worked it in because they couldn’t figure out how to hide it. In fairness to them, there is a lot going on in that space. I don’t think it’s a lack of innovation but rather a difficult problem to solve. I can’t park my car in my bathroom for a variety of reasons including that it wouldn’t fit. Does that mean I’m not innovative?
I seldom hear anything about the fact that this is actually a conscious design move. All other phones will be visually very similar. This notch creates a distinct design profile which differentiates it towards generic Android brands. There will be a massive amount of phones without bezels. It's the obvious evolution for smart phones and has been since the launch of the iPhone in 2007.
However - that does not mean it is a 100% perfect design decision. There will always be back-sides with a design. Design is about making choices. But one thing that I think is for sure. If Apple would have released an iPhone without bezel - or like the Samsung S8 etc the risk for being too anonymous would have been too big.
However - that does not mean it is a 100% perfect design decision. There will always be back-sides with a design. Design is about making choices. But one thing that I think is for sure. If Apple would have released an iPhone without bezel - or like the Samsung S8 etc the risk for being too anonymous would have been too big.
Yet I’ve looked at the notch and thought the opposite (viewing photos and movies - not for general browsing in portrait). Along with the ridiculous bar that appears at the bottom of the screen and it's a combination for "not natural."
And the funny thing is as years go by and FaceID gets better/faster/hidden completely, we're going to look back at the iPhone X and... well..., we're going to LOL.
Don't get me wrong. I really enjoy my X, but there's something just not quite right about the design. The notch IS making the best of a bad situation, and for the most part it works. But mark my words - we'll laugh in the future about it.
Wrong, go read this thread, plenty of people say they don't mind or think it's good design, it's your opinion.
And, btw, MR readers are just a small portion of all people, Apple sold 10's of millions already, so they all dislike it!
I understand why its there and it is obviously necessary for the technology it houses, I'm simple stating I'm not sure if that's ideally how they would have wanted to integrate the screen and its shape the way it inevitably turned out.I disagree. It was unavoidable with the cameras and sensors being placed at the top of the screen. If they didn't want the nothc then they would have gone with a straight black bar across the top. By making the notch smaller (read: still there) they're going for even more screen real estate. Granted, the additional space is small, but is still an addition nonetheless.
Not sure where you're getting the 1/8 from. The notch takes up between 3-4% of space vertically (or horizontally in landscape mode). That's roughly 1/27 of the screen in that direction. Unless you're talking about the additional video that is getting cut off in the zoom mode (which is closer to 21%). But even if the notch wasn't there, you'd still be losing a lot of video in the zoom mode.
The top shows 16:9 video on iPhone X screen. The middle shows what 16:9 video is cut off in zoom mode. The bottom shows how many notches fit across the screen. And before you ask, why yes, I am bored at work today.
Clearly this won't happen since the notch was clearly a design decision.
Yes, it clearly was a design decision. With the limitations provided, they were forced to decide between a full black bar at the top, or the notch. Not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. If the technology existed to completely hide the sensors/cameras beneath the screen in order to get a full edge to edge display they would have certainly done it.
They are just ahead of time.
Apple fans(and especially android fans which were not planning to buy an iphone anyway) at first want changes, and when they get changes, they can’ t handle it.
Apple is the only company that is pushing to a new wireless future, or one with a new standard(usb-c) wired one.
Others have no idea, and are just followers.
You're right. I don't think that's ultimately what they wanted, but they were simply operating under the limitations provided. It's certainly polarizing, but I kind of like the design choice over a solid black bar at the top, which seems like the only alternative at the time.
