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Can we go back to TouchID now that underscreen scanners have been proven to be more than Vaporware? FaceID is ok but I'd take a bezel-less IPX with no notch and an underscreen fingerprint scanner in a heartbeat.
 
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I dont own one. But the phone design with the notch is super ugly. That's all. I don't care whether notch disappears when you use the phone or not. Apple used to be about beautiful deisgn. You didn't have to appreciate a MacBook pro or Macbook Air after opening it. Just the sight of those would make you marvel at Apple's perfectionist mindset. IphoneX makes me throw up!

Calling it ugly is your opinion, which is fine, but if you used it you would like the extra screen space useful...
 
Just go over to the iPhone section of MacRumors...



Are you really serious with the money thing? I like spending money wisely, that a crime? As off late, Apple has always had a bad habbit of releasing first gen devices into the public that are deamed beta devices for consumers. Based off on that, they fix the issues for the next revision.

See: iPad, Retina MBR, Apple Watch.

As per you being happy about your phone, great for you. Glad it works.
You’re not wise because you didn’t buy the iPhone X. That doesn’t make you wise or a good steward of money.

You’re trying to say habit and deemed. Apple doesn’t have a habit of doing what you say and there is no authority that can “deem” Apple products as beta.
 
The notch is such a non issue. The phone looks better than the rest of the competition imo.

Those that are still complaining about the notch either don’t own the phone or never even used one.

Totally agree. I've had my X for about month. Don't even notice the notch in day-to-day use. And I like FaceID so much that my older 6+ and iPad with TouchID UI feel antiquated in comparison.

"Those that are still complaining about the notch either don’t own the phone or never even used one."
Or...have loads of free time with not much else needing their attention.
 
I dont own one. But the phone design with the notch is super ugly. That's all. I don't care whether notch disappears when you use the phone or not. Apple used to be about beautiful deisgn. You didn't have to appreciate a MacBook pro or Macbook Air after opening it. Just the sight of those would make you marvel at Apple's perfectionist mindset. IphoneX makes me throw up!

Exactly. Apple products were aesthetically supreme.
 
I have an X and I actually find the design iconic thanks to the notch.

ALL other phones look alike. The couple of little "horns" the X has actually makes it quite distinct from everything else and quite lovely in my opinion, and they are put to good use with whatever is displayed there. Then again that's just me.
 
People that actually HAVE the iPhone X, does the notch even bother you?

I’ve had 1 since launch day and have zero issues with the notch. You don’t even notice it while using the phone! Lol

And I mean, it doesn’t even bother me when it comes to the few videos I watch on my phone.
I notice it and it does bother me. Used the phone on many occasions trying to convince myself that my initial thought wasn't valid but the notch design simply bothers me so I'm not buying. Simple black bar option in settings would fix that issue for me but not like this. Especially when you are switching between apps. That cutout is simply too awful.
The designer should get slapped for this idea as its simply un-Apple like. Where is the simplicity and elegance from the old days?

I'm sticking to my iPhone 6 and waiting this one out. Tried iP8 but couldn't justify the cost for the "small" day to day improvements so until iPX solves the silly notch issue then I'm not buying. I will not support such an awful design choice. Simple as that.
 
Can we go back to TouchID now that underscreen scanners have been proven to be more than Vaporware? FaceID is ok but I'd take a bezel-less IPX with no notch and an underscreen fingerprint scanner in a heartbeat.

All the under screen fingerprint scanner technologies that appeared this year are optical. Optical fingerprint scanner is more vulnerable than the capacitive fingerprint scanner that most phone are using (you can easily hack it with a fingerprint mold, as optical technology doesn't actually detect live skin).

In other words, by security Face ID > Touch ID > optical fingerprint scanner. If apple really care about user's privacy, it would be a disaster for them to use this under screen fingerprint scanner until the security problem is figured out. Using a technology like that for authentication is like the "face unlock" with front facing cameras on some android phones, irresponsible and insecure.
 
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The fact they are already trying to reduce its size makes me believe it wasn't the direction they wanted to go in aesthetically . I'd imagine Jony is gonna try and minimize that thing with each new iteration to add more fluidity to the screen. He's from the older school of Apple thought and probably would not want to continue with any compromises, especially when it comes to screen real estate.
 



A new report from South Korea's ETNews insinuates that iPhones may have a smaller notch in 2019 or beyond.

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The report, citing industry sources, claims Apple is "looking into" combining the front-facing camera and Face ID on next year's iPhones, a move that could certainly reduce the size of the TrueDepth sensor housing.The confusing bit is that the report mentions a singular face recognition module, whereas Face ID is powered by an infrared camera, dot projector, and flood illuminator. The report doesn't specify how Apple would manage to combine these components, so like many very-early-on rumors, this one isn't entirely clear yet.

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The notch is easily the most controversial attribute of the iPhone X's design. While many early adopters don't mind the small cutout at the top of the display, others have heavily criticized it, including The Outline's Joshua Topolsky.Unfortunately for those critics, it doesn't look like the smaller notch will arrive in 2018, as new iPhones and iPads set to launch later this year are expected to have the same TrueDepth sensor housing as the iPhone X.

Back in November, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said Face ID will be featured on a second-generation 5.8-inch iPhone X, a larger 6.5-inch iPhone X Plus, and a new mid-range 6.1-inch iPhone. Apple will also release at least one iPad Pro model with Face ID this year, according to Bloomberg News.

LG Innotek will reportedly supply all or the majority of 3D sensing modules for the next-generation iPhone and iPad models, based on an $821 million investment, which may have been funded at least partially by Apple.

Article Link: 2019 iPhones Could Have Smaller Notch as Apple 'Looking Into' Combining Face ID and Front Camera
Notch problem is an overly exaggerated issue. Never have problem with notch.
 
If the notch ever gets smaller, that is Apple's admission that it shouldn't exist in the first place.

No sure you know how tech works. As time goes on engineers find ways to put two or three things together. So, as this tech improves over time it makes sense that notch will get smaller and give more area at the top.
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The notch is the least of its problems. Screen flicker (PWM), off angle color shift and image burn in of the oled display on the X are the elephants in the room.

Wow I must have been lucky to get one without issue....
 
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In my opinion, the notch is there because I think Apple's product designers and engineers said "How are we gonna set us apart on first sight from the rest of the phones that will feature an all display design?" And along with the space needed for Face ID, they decided to kinda mash them together, thus creating some sort of signature look for the iPhone X. Also, you know you have a huge screen, but at the same time the notch is there so you know that's the new home button and authentication method "exclusive" to Apple's iPhone X. That's why their app design guidelines do not recommend camouflaging the notch with screen bezels. Kinda like the iPod and its click wheel below display look, and the original iPhone screen with only one button below it. Again, only my opinion, not stating facts.
 
Exactly. Apple products were aesthetically supreme.

They still are.

MacPro is probably the nicest looking computer.
Imac would be better without the chin but still beautiful as is.
Macbook (pro's), there's not one single better looking laptop.
The displays where the best looking on the market, there will be new ones this or next year, will most likely be the same.
Airport product, again, one of the better looking ones without external antenna's
And so on.
 
So if someone things different about the notch then you they haven't owned one ?

Well I returned mine for a 8 plus.
I don't like the notch

So, technically now you have a huge notch on the bottom and on the top, which also covers the sides. The notch is “a bit more” screen on the sides, rather than a “little less”.
 
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The notch is the least of its problems. Screen flicker (PWM), off angle color shift and image burn in of the oled display on the X are the elephants in the room.

The notch was never an actual problem to begin with, Its just a problem for those don't approve of it for their own reasons.

But as far is you mentioning screen flicker, off angle color shift an image burn in, those are sporadic problems. That doesn't mean those are widespread that everybody is experiencing. There is always going to be some devices that are initially defective and or those who come to a tech form to discuss/complain about it. That applies to any smart phone that has its own issues.
 
Face ID is an amazing technology and will certainly continue to improve, but I wish Apple would still include a fingerprint sensor to give consumers both ways to unlock the phone.
 
What puzzles me is the (software) design choice Apple have made, to amplify the appearance of the notch, rather than disguise it.

For me, this is a far more attractive screen implementation:

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..but I know Apple disagree, and have actively advised developers not to design like this, but to preserve the notch appearance. Puzzling.

That's not a good design, snapchat looks like that when you have message screen open, and since i got this X i hoped snapchat would fix it, too much black and unbalanced bezel size just looks bad. How Apple and most apps show the notch, looks lot better and it makes the screen pop out more.
 
... too much black and unbalanced bezel size just looks bad.

Really?
You're saying that hiding the notch makes it MORE unbalanced.

Here is Apple's instructions to developers:

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I think they've got it the wrong way round, personally! ;-)
 
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