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Seb knows the car is a dog and he's not going to risk his health trying to wring the neck of the thing to drag it into the Top 5. He's clearly driving at maybe 80% of his ability (if that). I wonder if he'll even finish the season or if Ferrari will just cut him loose with his severance and run their reserve driver or try and get Sainz in there earlier.
 
Seb knows the car is a dog and he's not going to risk his health trying to wring the neck of the thing to drag it into the Top 5. He's clearly driving at maybe 80% of his ability (if that). I wonder if he'll even finish the season or if Ferrari will just cut him loose with his severance and run their reserve driver or try and get Sainz in there earlier.

I think that’s a very relevant question. I don’t see them cutting him loose. I don’t see Carlos in until next year in any way.

Maybe the last two races if he is still so down they could let him go and put Mick in the seat for two races. 😉😉😉😉😉
 
Well done Valtteri. 😉 Interesting how motivating a one year contract can be.

Nice drive by Daniel as well. Looking forward to McLaren next year. 😉

Vettlel looks lost. His passion is gone. He has no anger in his driveing.
Unless Ferrari is using him as a test mule his appearance reinforces my opinion that retirement from F1 will be this year.

I loved how excited Valtteri was on team radio! Really happy for him, hope he does well tomorrow.

For Vettel, I wonder if he’s checked out like he did during the last year at Red Bull or if he’s just upset at how Ferrari let him go and just doesn’t want to give them any points.
 
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Well done Valtteri. 😉 Interesting how motivating a one year contract can be.

Nice drive by Daniel as well. Looking forward to McLaren next year. 😉

Vettlel looks lost. His passion is gone. He has no anger in his driveing.
Unless Ferrari is using him as a test mule his appearance reinforces my opinion that retirement from F1 will be this year.
At least there maybe a better race with Bottas at the front. Love to see the Mercs going wheel to wheel.
 
I loved how excited Valtteri was on team radio! Really happy for him, hope he does well tomorrow.

For Vettel, I wonder if he’s checked out like he did during the last year at Red Bull or if he’s just upset at how Ferrari let him go and just doesn’t want to give them any points.

There are similarities with his last year with RBR. I wouldn‘t go as far as to say he is intentionally sandbagging to spite Ferrari. It’s not like he has a car that is competitive if he pushed.

I just can’t shake this feeling that he is done with F1. His manner, his eyes, his posture, he is just not at the track mentally.

Seb wants to go home with his family and be a father full time IMO. He is done with the spotlight of F1. Would he consider a limited schedule in another series? Possibly. I’ll miss him, but there is allot of young talent rising quickly. He understands this all to well. :apple:
 
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177Valtteri BottasMERCEDES1:26.7381:25.7851:25.15420
244Lewis HamiltonMERCEDES1:26.8181:26.2661:25.21720
327Nico HulkenbergRACING POINT BWT MERCEDES1:27.2791:26.2611:26.08218
433Max VerstappenRED BULL RACING HONDA1:27.1541:26.7791:26.17612
53Daniel RicciardoRENAULT1:27.4421:26.6361:26.29714
618Lance StrollRACING POINT BWT MERCEDES1:27.1871:26.6741:26.42818
710Pierre GaslyALPHATAURI HONDA1:27.1541:26.5231:26.53418
816Charles LeclercFERRARI1:27.4271:26.7091:26.61416
923Alexander AlbonRED BULL RACING HONDA1:27.1531:26.6421:26.66918
104Lando NorrisMCLAREN RENAULT1:27.2171:26.8851:26.77818
1131Esteban OconRENAULT1:27.2781:27.01112
125Sebastian VettelFERRARI1:27.6121:27.07814
1355Carlos SainzMCLAREN RENAULT1:27.4501:27.08312
148Romain GrosjeanHAAS FERRARI1:27.5191:27.25416
1563George RussellWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:27.7571:27.45511
1626Daniil KvyatALPHATAURI HONDA1:27.8826
1720Kevin MagnussenHAAS FERRARI1:28.2369
186Nicholas LatifiWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:28.4306
1999Antonio GiovinazziALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI1:28.4336
207Kimi RäikkönenALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI1:28.4936
 
As it’s the 70th anniversary Grand Prix, an alternative grid.
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How Alfa Romeo’s fortunes have changed!
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More details here.
 
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177Valtteri BottasMERCEDES1:26.7381:25.7851:25.15420
244Lewis HamiltonMERCEDES1:26.8181:26.2661:25.21720
327Nico HulkenbergRACING POINT BWT MERCEDES1:27.2791:26.2611:26.08218
433Max VerstappenRED BULL RACING HONDA1:27.1541:26.7791:26.17612
53Daniel RicciardoRENAULT1:27.4421:26.6361:26.29714
618Lance StrollRACING POINT BWT MERCEDES1:27.1871:26.6741:26.42818
710Pierre GaslyALPHATAURI HONDA1:27.1541:26.5231:26.53418
816Charles LeclercFERRARI1:27.4271:26.7091:26.61416
923Alexander AlbonRED BULL RACING HONDA1:27.1531:26.6421:26.66918
104Lando NorrisMCLAREN RENAULT1:27.2171:26.8851:26.77818
1131Esteban OconRENAULT1:27.2781:27.01112
125Sebastian VettelFERRARI1:27.6121:27.07814
1355Carlos SainzMCLAREN RENAULT1:27.4501:27.08312
148Romain GrosjeanHAAS FERRARI1:27.5191:27.25416
1563George RussellWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:27.7571:27.45511
1626Daniil KvyatALPHATAURI HONDA1:27.8826
1720Kevin MagnussenHAAS FERRARI1:28.2369
186Nicholas LatifiWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:28.4306
1999Antonio GiovinazziALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI1:28.4336
207Kimi RäikkönenALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI1:28.4936
Love this grid, has action and excitement written all over it (well, hopefully)!!

Almost certain the see a safety car or two I reckon. Looking forward to the race.
 
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People moan Mercedes dominate at the moment. But when you look at that first race, only 3 cars were on the same lap. All Alfa’s.
 
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Seb knows the car is a dog and he's not going to risk his health trying to wring the neck of the thing to drag it into the Top 5. He's clearly driving at maybe 80% of his ability (if that). I wonder if he'll even finish the season or if Ferrari will just cut him loose with his severance and run their reserve driver or try and get Sainz in there earlier.
Vettel won't want to just sack it before the end of the season, that would look bad on him and be very unprofessional.

Same goes for Sainz driving a few races for Ferrari this season. Sends out a very bad message and disrespectful to McLaren.
 
Vettel won't want to just sack it before the end of the season, that would look bad on him and be very unprofessional.

Same goes for Sainz driving a few races for Ferrari this season. Sends out a very bad message and disrespectful to McLaren.
Also he is contracted with McLaren. What would be the point of buying him out of that contract early? It’s not like they need the points to help them win a title!
 
As the race goes on, hard to see past Max for the win. I know the temps are hotter this week, but Mercedes don't usually have this much tyre trouble in hotter climates.
 
Great race. Congrats to Max and RBR. Great strategy, great drive.
Outstanding drive for LeClerc as well to bring the Ferrari home 4th.

That was exciting. I’m going out on the deck and have a few cold ones .

Life is good today. ;)
 
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Great race. Congrats to Max and RBR. Great strategy, great drive.
Outstanding drive for LeClerc as well to bring the Ferrari home 4th.

That was exciting. I’m going out on the deck and have a few cold ones .

Life is good today. ;)
wow

Not even 10:00 here yet... but I'll join ya!
 
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Red Bull had the better strategy this weekend. And a much better strategy, at that, in order to overcome a roughly 0.50 sec/lap difference to Mercedes. As it turned out, being able to start Verstappen on the hard tires ended up putting Mercedes on the back foot all the way through the race.

Of course, a safety car at the right time would have shaken all that up.

That said, Verstappen drove a fantastic race. He's matured incredibly in the past two years, and thoroughly deserved his win today.

Good race also by Charles Leclerc to bring his Ferrari in fourth. The second race in a row that Leclerc has outdriven his car.
 
Of course, a safety car at the right time would have shaken all that up.

That said, Verstappen drove a fantastic race. He's matured incredibly in the past two years, and thoroughly deserved his win today.

Good race also by Charles Leclerc to bring his Ferrari in fourth. The second race in a row that Leclerc has outdriven his car.
agree entirely. No safety car was a surprise for sure.

Max and RBR got it spot on today and pleased to see them get it right. I’m a big Lewis fan but was exciting to watch the last 20 mins not knowing how it was going to end. Before the race, I thought the softer tyre strategy was a bad call but it was absolutely the right thing.

So Spain could be fun then....
 
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Much better race than last week. Well done Max and RBR. Beat the Mercs without a SC or incident. Good to see it’s not going to be the same 1-2 every week.
Mercedes really need to understand their tyre issues. Too much power killing the rears? Steering adjustment thing killing the fronts? Whatever it is, with hot races coming it’s a concern for them.
Ferrari’s drivers couldn’t have had more contrasting races. I don’t think Vettel will miss Silverstone.
 
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Max and RBR got it spot on today and pleased to see them get it right. I’m a big Lewis fan but was exciting to watch the last 20 mins not knowing how it was going to end. Before the race, I thought the softer tyre strategy was a bad call but it was absolutely the right thing.

I hope Bono or James Vowles do one of their post-race strategy breakdowns this week. It's always interesting to hear what the thinking was in the Mercedes pit wall.

One thing I think they were not expecting: How quickly Lewis and Valteri's hard tires went off. Especially compared to Verstappen, who seemed to have no problem running them hard quite deep into the race, even with a full fuel load. I was telling myself that once Verstappen went onto the mediums he'd have a very short stint before pitting again. But that just didn't seem to happen.

I also got the feeling that Lewis was a bit tentative in chasing down the leaders in his last stint. Maybe the experience of finishing on three wheels the week before played into that. But by the time he got past Leclerc it was pretty much impossible for him to chase Verstappen down. I personally think Mercedes were dithering thinking about keeping Hamilton out for a one-stopper. If they'd brought him in for a new set of hard tires four or five laps earlier, it might have given him enough time to reel Verstappen in.

Lastly: Red Bull's strategy was bold. (Although not that bold, as all they needed to do in Q2 was finish in the top 10. Hamilton and Bottas could have done that no problem.) But Red Bull's strategy also depended on two other factors: No safety car messing things up. And having a driver as talented, brave, and smart as Max Verstappen.

Always pleased to see a good race, even if the finishing order isn't exactly what I was hoping for.
 
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I hope Bono or James Vowles do one of their post-race strategy breakdowns this week. It's always interesting to hear what the thinking was in the Mercedes pit wall.

One thing I think they were not expecting: How quickly Lewis and Valteri's hard tires went off. Especially compared to Verstappen, who seemed to have no problem running them hard quite deep into the race, even with a full fuel load. I was telling myself that once Verstappen went onto the mediums he'd have a very short stint before pitting again. But that just didn't seem to happen.

I also got the feeling that Lewis was a bit tentative in chasing down the leaders in his last stint. Maybe the experience of finishing on three wheels the week before played into that. But by the time he got past Leclerc it was pretty much impossible for him to chase Verstappen down. I personally think Mercedes were dithering thinking about keeping Hamilton out for a one-stopper. If they'd brought him in for a new set of hard tires four or five laps earlier, it might have given him enough time to reel Verstappen in.

Lastly: Red Bull's strategy was bold. (Although not that bold, as all they needed to do in Q2 was finish in the top 10. Hamilton and Bottas could have done that no problem.) But Red Bull's strategy also depended on two other factors: No safety car messing things up. And having a driver as talented, brave, and smart as Max Verstappen.

Always pleased to see a good race, even if the finishing order isn't exactly what I was hoping for.
I don’t think so. Looking at Lewis’s tyres at the end of the race he didn’t have another 5 laps. Plus he’d have needed a lot of rubber to get passed Max. Max was just able to drive and match the times despite the age of his tyres.
A very mature drive from him.
 
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Interesting to hear Max say in post race interview how their lack of down force (relative to the Mercedes) may have helped preserve the tyres.

Sure RBR and Mercedes will be doing a lot of work to understand what happened, one team so they can repeat that again, the other so they can copy it!!
 
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