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Hey, I am with you on the SE. But being on here long enough would have seen most of the "reasons" why those SE haters don't want Apple to make them. :confused:
I am in no way defending those fellows.:cool:

Oh, got it....:)
 
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Please no more iPhone SE.
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Gee why didn't Apple think of that?
Please only iPhone SE. I want a headphone jack and a small phone. Google is tempting me with the Pixel 3a.
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I can’t wait to see how the Apple team try and spin such an underwhelming release at the keynote.
I'll bet you can't wait to complain in the comments too
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Reading more and more about 5G I would really love it go away. The IMF will be crazy and antennas everywhere.
When will people start value health over small things like "faster" internet.
I share your concerns, but there's no evidence of health effects. Sure the money will be in favor of 5G, but that doesn't mean we can make baseless accusations. Someone just needs to fund independent research.
 
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It's a cost issue. Given the mature smartphone market, Apple will need to target prices under $750. You can't have Face ID on a $499 phone for markets like Africa and India.

Why not? Why can't Apple have Face ID on a $499 phone for markets like Africa and India? Ever heard of advances in technology or economies of scale? Sure worked very well for the iPhone 5S to get TouchID at mass scale. Apple was definitely NOT the first with biometric authentication and the process was very new and expensive. Yet 5S began at retail for $499 at launch. Hmmm.
 
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It's funny how my phone has become more like a phone in the last few years. I don't need the big screen, and have moved back to an SE for pretty much everything. With CarPlay I don't need the big screen. If I need to read I bring my IPP 12 and tether to my phone. Messages etc? I use my watch or use voice input.

iPhone SE-X? Sign me up.
 
Why not? Why can't Apple have Face ID on a $499 phone for markets like Africa and India? Ever heard of advances in technology or economies of scale? Sure worked very well for the iPhone 5S to get TouchID at mass scale. Apple was definitely NOT the first with biometric authentication and the process was very new and expensive. Yet 5S began at retail for $499 at launch. Hmmm.
The 5S isn’t the XS.
 
The 5S isn’t the XS.

The Xr isn't the X/XS either but all have FaceID and the former sells at a MUCH cheaper price - both in US dollars and abroad. Again my point: economies of scale and Apple can reduce the price of the existing v2 of FaceID, and probably more than v3.
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hell, that ugly camera square is growing on me now that i've seen it on gold...(

of all the 2019 iPhone XS upgrade models thus far ... this articles iteration really looks the most polished for production.

My concerns are:
Cost ... how much will this be in $CAN along with this trade war? I'm still thinking of picking up a well loved, non-abused 256GB X until 2010.
- performance ... what will iOS13 bring and can I enjoy it on my current iP8 model?
 
Why not? Why can't Apple have Face ID on a $499 phone for markets like Africa and India? Ever heard of advances in technology or economies of scale? Sure worked very well for the iPhone 5S to get TouchID at mass scale. Apple was definitely NOT the first with biometric authentication and the process was very new and expensive. Yet 5S began at retail for $499 at launch. Hmmm.
The iphone 5s was able to be purchased at launch under contract with the 64gb model selling for $399.

Unlocked the 16gb model was $649, the 64gb model was $849. The iphone xr at launch is/was $749 for 64gb and $899 for 256gb. The top-end XR is $50 more than in 2013.
 



Barclays analyst Blayne Curtis and his associates today shared their expectations for both 2019 and 2020 model iPhones following their trip to Asia earlier this month, where they met with some suppliers within Apple's supply chain.

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MacRumors render of 2019 iPhones with triple-lens rear cameras

Our summary of the research note, shared with MacRumors:The trio of high-end 2019 iPhones will have relatively few design changes, beyond additional rear camera lenses, with production set to ramp up in the typical July-August timeframe
3D Touch will be eliminated in all 2019 iPhones as Barclays previously predicted, possibly signaling a Haptic Touch expansion
The next-generation iPhone XR will have 4GB of RAM, up from 3GB, as previously predicted by analyst Ming-Chi Kuo
2020 iPhones will have more significant changes, including 5G support, 3D sensing via the rear camera system, and acoustic fingerprint technology that could allow for full-screen Touch ID
"A few suppliers" mentioned a potential "iPhone SE 2" with iPhone 8 internals in early 2020, but others had no knowledge of it
LG may become a secondary supplier of OLED displays for 2019 iPhones, with a 10-30 percent split of orders with Samsung, ahead of Apple transitioning all of its iPhones to OLED as early as 2020Other rumors have suggested that 2019 iPhones will feature frosted glass casing, larger batteries, and a bilateral charging feature that allows users to charge AirPods or an Apple Watch by placing them on the back of the iPhone.

Apple will likely unveil its latest iPhones in September as usual at Steve Jobs Theater.

Article Link: 2020 iPhones May Have Full-Screen Touch ID, New iPhone SE Based on iPhone 8 Also Possible Next Year
[doublepost=1558847903][/doublepost]The whole medical community that wears face masks have rejected the iPhones without Touch ID. Face ID might be superior but simply is useless for many of us. There are Atleast a wealthy million operating room staff in the US who will upgrade from their iPhone 8’s as soon as 3D Touch is included
 
Why not? Why can't Apple have Face ID on a $499 phone for markets like Africa and India? Ever heard of advances in technology or economies of scale? Sure worked very well for the iPhone 5S to get TouchID at mass scale. Apple was definitely NOT the first with biometric authentication and the process was very new and expensive. Yet 5S began at retail for $499 at launch. Hmmm.

The iPhone 5s launched at $649, which is over $700 in today's dollars.

If Apple cared about economies of scale, they wouldn't have launched iPhone 8 at $699. Apple cares about margin.
 
More nonsense for more money. All the best apple with your overpriced metal and glass bricks.
 
of all the 2019 iPhone XS upgrade models thus far ... this articles iteration really looks the most polished for production.

My concerns are:
Cost ... how much will this be in $CAN along with this trade war? I'm still thinking of picking up a well loved, non-abused 256GB X until 2010.
- performance ... what will iOS13 bring and can I enjoy it on my current iP8 model?

mind you this post is about 2020 iphones)
yes, i have an xs, which i might be holding on to for the next 2 years...
 
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The whole medical community that wears face masks have rejected the iPhones without Touch ID. Face ID might be superior but simply is useless for many of us. There are Atleast a wealthy million operating room staff in the US who will upgrade from their iPhone 8’s as soon as 3D Touch is included
And what about the glove wearing aspect of it all?
 
And what about the glove wearing aspect of it all?

Gloves are not a problem for TouchID, at least not the types I’ve used with it. The technology is remarkably mature.

The wishlist item is having the option, not to switch back altogether. That said, a full screen sensor would make FaceID a lot less important, since you need to swipe up to unlock anyway. Just make a fast enough sensor and the experience will be even more snappy and convenient than FaceID, while security focused people can disable the one they trust the least, and people working in jobs that require faces to be covered can rely on fingerprints.

It’s not just doctors. People with allergies or working with spray paint would be two examples off the top of my head. Anyone with a flu who doesn’t want to cost us all by spreading it would also benefit from a fallback. Those don’t necessarily wear a glove.
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After you hear the words, "freeze, put your hands up.", You are going to reach in your pocket to click the side button 5 times?


If that sort of thing is a concern for you, just keep your hands in your pockets by default and squeeze the two sides for a second or two. Anyone looking to have you put your hands up doesn’t want to see any sudden movements anyway.
 
Do these people really believe that Apple will walk back on Face ID? After going with it on the iPads, the company has given more than enough evidence that it is fully invested in it. Never mind the fact that once you use Face ID you realize how much superior it is to Touch ID.

They are abandoning a key feature that was introduced with iPhone 6S (3D Touch) in 2019 / 2020 iPhones, so yes, I actually think that this is an option.
 
Despite being more secure (apparently) Face ID is a far worse solution than Touch ID IMO:
  • Doesn't work sideways or at odd angles. I have to think about getting it right. I don't have to do that with Touch ID
  • Forces me to look down at the phone while driving just to unlock, and doesn't work at all when it's mounted to the dashboard for navigation. I have to let Face ID fail several times before it lets me type in the passcode.
  • Which Touch ID, I have control over whether I want to unlock the phone or not, decided by me placing my finger on the sensor. With Face ID, several times a day, I tap the screen of my phone to wake it up, the phone registers it as a tap of one of the notifications, it sees my face and unlocks, launches into the app that I accidentally tapped the notification for, removing all of the notifications from the lock screen so I can't see them.
  • My wife and I often use each other's phones and it's a pain to get into. I usually have to let it fail a few times before it lets me just type in her passcode. With Touch ID, it was much easier to just bring up the passcode screen. Insanely frustrating.
I love Apple, but this step backward in usability leaves me a little frustrated every day. Glad to hear that they may bring Touch ID back.
 
Gloves are not a problem for TouchID, at least not the types I’ve used with it. The technology is remarkably mature.

The wishlist item is having the option, not to switch back altogether. That said, a full screen sensor would make FaceID a lot less important, since you need to swipe up to unlock anyway. Just make a fast enough sensor and the experience will be even more snappy and convenient than FaceID, while security focused people can disable the one they trust the least, and people working in jobs that require faces to be covered can rely on fingerprints.

It’s not just doctors. People with allergies or working with spray paint would be two examples off the top of my head. Anyone with a flu who doesn’t want to cost us all by spreading it would also benefit from a fallback. Those don’t necessarily wear a glove.
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If that sort of thing is a concern for you, just keep your hands in your pockets by default and squeeze the two sides for a second or two. Anyone looking to have you put your hands up doesn’t want to see any sudden movements anyway.
People working with spray paint should be wearing gloves that preclude the use of Touch ID. There are always use cases galore. But if Face ID doesn’t work for you than one has their options. We keep saying Apple won’t bring back Touch ID, it won’t but maybe something else that’s better. Who knows.

For me Touch ID and Face ID are both equally convenient at the right moments and terrible at the wrong moments. Pick the particular use case you want to expound on.
 
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Despite being more secure (apparently) Face ID is a far worse solution than Touch ID IMO:
  • Doesn't work sideways or at odd angles. I have to think about getting it right. I don't have to do that with Touch ID
  • Forces me to look down at the phone while driving just to unlock, and doesn't work at all when it's mounted to the dashboard for navigation. I have to let Face ID fail several times before it lets me type in the passcode.
  • Which Touch ID, I have control over whether I want to unlock the phone or not, decided by me placing my finger on the sensor. With Face ID, several times a day, I tap the screen of my phone to wake it up, the phone registers it as a tap of one of the notifications, it sees my face and unlocks, launches into the app that I accidentally tapped the notification for, removing all of the notifications from the lock screen so I can't see them.
  • My wife and I often use each other's phones and it's a pain to get into. I usually have to let it fail a few times before it lets me just type in her passcode. With Touch ID, it was much easier to just bring up the passcode screen. Insanely frustrating.
I love Apple, but this step backward in usability leaves me a little frustrated every day. Glad to hear that they may bring Touch ID back.

I agree. I HATE faceID and dont understand how people like it so much unless you only use it while staring at it straight on while sitting at a dask or something. It only works at the perfect angle. Doesnt work half the time in low light. Doesnt work half the time when i wake up in the morning (guess im too ugly for it before a shower). Driving, movie theater previews, etc. touch ID was far superior in almost every way for me. And for my IPP its even worse because i like to use it as a screen for when i cook and the counter is lower than my face when standing so im always having to fuss with it.
 
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Hate to hear that 3D Touch is going, but having used the XR for the last 7 months I can honestly say, where it’s been implemented, it’s close to the experience of 3D Touch. If this does in fact pan out to be true, that Apple is dropping 3D Touch altogether, then I imagine that we see increased implementation of Haptic Touch where we see 3D Touch, and the current XR likely gets the benefits of that increased Haptic Touch through various iOS 13 releases and that’s good news for me. Also looks like 2019 is a good year to skip for any current XR/XS users as 2020 will be a nice update.
 
If Apple are revisiting the old unlock method alongside Face ID, I would think it would have to be one better than Touch ID.

Hand ID anyone?
 
Hate to hear that 3D Touch is going, but having used the XR for the last 7 months I can honestly say, where it’s been implemented, it’s close to the experience of 3D Touch. If this does in fact pan out to be true, that Apple is dropping 3D Touch altogether, then I imagine that we see increased implementation of Haptic Touch where we see 3D Touch, and the current XR likely gets the benefits of that increased Haptic Touch through various iOS 13 releases and that’s good news for me. Also looks like 2019 is a good year to skip for any current XR/XS users as 2020 will be a nice update.
If Apple can make it that haptic touch = 3DT, and I don't know the difference materially, I as a user don't really care. It's the equivalent functionality. Similar to haptic home button vs physical home button.
 
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I beg to differ. I am often having to do multiple swipes/attempts to get a successful authentication. TouchID worked much better for me and my use cases with near 0 re-attempts.
FaceID is near perfect for me. I can't remember the last time it failed for me. It recognises me in bed, with or without glasses, wearing a motorcycle helmet, when I am brushing my teeth, when lying flat on a table. It just works for me in any situation I can think of where it has failed in the past.
 
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