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I don’t see why Apple can’t have both Touch ID and Face ID. Then users can have the best of both worlds and can use whichever works best for them. Also getting rid of the top and bottom bezels and going full screen would allow for a 4.7” screen in a smaller 4.0” form factor. I would upgrade my older SE in a heartbeat.
Exactly

Since when has choice been bad?
 
Exactly

Since when has choice been bad?

It’s not a choice I don’t think, I’ve read that they want to implement two factor bio security so you can store your passport on your phone, I guess bank cards are one thing, but passports are quite another when it comes to security levels.
I’d imagine the same goes for any official form of ID like a driving license? Here in the UK if no where else?
 
You can’t say that without certainty (Unless you have a source). Even though I’m inclined to believe it 3D Touch _could_ be here another year, as previous rumors indicated that 3D Touch would be deleted last year, and that didn’t happen. But it’s not entirely out the realm that Apple may remove it, as a reduction cost, and use the simulated version the XR has.

You can't say with certainty that the sun will come up tomorrow, but by being well informed you can make a pretty good conjecture.

The analysts making these statements are ignorant about the company they are analyzing, simple as that.
 
I returned the XR and got the iPhone 8. Face ID is superior from a technical standpoint, but I had more reliability with Touch ID working the first time (on both an X and XR). I know that's not the experience with everyone. Also, I can't stand watching videos on the X-style phones...it just looks so weird.

Honestly, I balked at going to Face ID, and got the 8+ when the X was released because I just wasn't ready. Then, when I first went to Face ID with the XR, I was pretty impressed overall.

However, over time, with the Face ID on the XR and the iPP, I have found myself missing Touch ID. With my iPP, I often have to redo it or put in my passcode because something is in front of the camera. With my phone, when I had Touch ID, I could reach for it, and by the time it got to me it was already unlocked and ready. With Face ID, I have to pick it up and hold it in front of me before it'll unlock.

Now, opening apps - I definitely like the Face ID better because it basically opens it before you even think about it.

I guess all that rambling is just to say, I think there are definitely pros and cons for both, and at this point, I'd be okay with either going forward.
 
How weird is THAT? A person begging for a product not to be made that he has no interest in buying anyway?? As if the very existence of such a product somehow affects their life in such a negative way that they are asking for it not to exist?? Can you imagine seeing an iPhone user posting "Please no more Samsung phones"? How about a BMW X5 owner pleading for BMW to not make anymore of smaller X3s?? Absolutely pathetic. Or just trolling. Either way, not a good look.
You know, their argument is they do not want Apple to spend their resources onto these projects.
 
It's only superior in terms of security. It is far less reliable, sometimes slower, and doesn't work at all in some situations. Not a day goes by where I can't open multiple apps or autofill passwords. That sort of thing rarely, if ever, occurs with TouchID.

Your experience is an anomaly based on everyone I actually know. I think maybe you have a hardware issue or need to rescan your face. Never have any issues with face idea. I have rare issues with Touch ID. But the people who always had issues with Touch ID have zero issues with Face ID.
 
You know, their argument is they do not want Apple to spend their resources onto these projects.

First of all, unless you are him you don't have the slightest idea what his "argument" is. As I said, there's a good chance he has zero argument and is just trolling the SE lovers, as so many like to do here. You making up a weak argument for him doesn't change how pathetic the post was.

Second, so we're now concerned about the resources of Apple to the point that we're begging for products not to be made that we have no interest in??? In that case, Apple, PLEASE no more:

Mac Pro
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPad
iPad Air
iPad Pro
MacBook
MacBook Pro
MacBook Air

Wow.....can you imagine how much more resources Apple will have when they stop making all those products that I have no interest in?? They might be able to FINALLY get some cash in the bank.
 
Most android phones offer fingerprint sensors beside facial recognition because most of them have tech that can easily be fooled with a photo of the owner

I'd have to look into that statement to verify it, but the truth is the Android handsets I've owned (Samsung Galaxy exclusively) have used multiple methods of authentication for quite a while.

Regardless of anything else, I wish Apple would do the same, but they won't because it would cost THEM money to (re)implement it. Especially after making such a big deal about the solution-in-search-of-a-problem that is FaceID.

I prefer the fingerprint sensor, especially on the back of the phone, due to ergonomics and speed (the phone is unlocked by the time I face the screen).

Even on the iPhone 8 the TouchID sensor is in an ergonomically foul spot.
 
I would love for Apple would return to TouchID but they just won’t do that.
An SE2 w/Touch ID wouldn't indicate a "return" to Touch ID but simply a follow on to that line of phones. Just like the iPad Mini 5 w/Touch ID wasn't a "return" to it after the 2018 iPad Pros went Face ID.

At least that is how I interpret the rumors floating around.
 
An SE2 w/Touch ID wouldn't indicate a "return" to Touch ID but simply a follow on to that line of phones. Just like the iPad Mini 5 w/Touch ID wasn't a "return" to it after the 2018 iPad Pros went Face ID.

At least that is how I interpret the rumors floating around.
That’s true. I was talking more about having it on the higher-end models again, I’d love for that to happen but it’s not Apple’s shtick.
 
Do these people really believe that Apple will walk back on Face ID? After going with it on the iPads, the company has given more than enough evidence that it is fully invested in it. Never mind the fact that once you use Face ID you realize how much superior it is to Touch ID.

Face ID is vastly superior to Touch ID. If this Full Screen Touch ID is a thing I hope it's in addition to Face ID rather than replacing it.
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I beg to differ. I am often having to do multiple swipes/attempts to get a successful authentication. TouchID worked much better for me and my use cases with near 0 re-attempts.

False, Touch ID always needed re-attempts. And there are old people out there that don't even have finger prints. Everyone has a face.
 
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if they can implement on screen touch id why not give the option to the user? Why make the decision for the user?
 
Can't Apple just give a cheap phone without using old hardware? It's insane the market allows them to get away with this.
 
Isn’t it possible that the features of 3D Touch can and will exist without the actual 3D Touch hardware? That is, using the Taptic Engine to simulate 3D Touch through a long-hold screen press, but without having the 3D Touch technology that detects a hard screen press? My iPhone SE doesn’t have 3D Touch but there are some apps and aspects of iOS (eg. Control center) that allow me to get the same software behavior without the 3D Touch technology. Perhaps that is the direction Apple is moving, since 3D Touch technology requires the screen to be slightly thicker and that may now be undesirable with them for aesthetic reasons. Just thinking out loud here ;)

I hope so, if apple can emulate it as close as possible that would be nice. I feel like they tried with the XR and to their credit it’s very close. On notification centre it’s really tough to tell the difference. And you’re right the Taptic Engine does a great job of adding to that sensation of interaction

But elsewhere in the UX, there’s a definite speed difference between 3D Touch vs haptic touch, likely due to the actual hardware. Like for example pressing on the control centre on the XR vs the X or XS, you can immediately “feel” the difference. It’s subtle but it’s the difference between instant and delayed, like opening up the messages app on an older iPhone vs a newer one; they both open fine and load fine but one will feel slower. Plus haptic touch on the keyboard doesn’t always register whereas on 3D Touch phones I noticed you don’t even think about it because it works

It’s probably in apples best interest to have haptic touch, because $ savings on specialized hardware that they can budget elsewhere and like you mentioned screen less thick. Though the 2019 iPhones are rumoured to be thicker than their predecessors haha. (Hopefully this means battery life gets a bit better!)
 
If Apple makes an SE2 in 2020 it should not come with iPhone 8 internals. The iPhone 8 will be 3 years old by then. Seriously Apple? It’s hard for me to believe that’s the best a trillion dollar company can come up with. I already have an iPhone 8...end of rant.
 
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iyyyh! A rearview mirror on the front and an electric cooker on the back.

seriously?
 
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RIP 3D Touch :'(

if Apple does this and no REAL good solution as a replace then Apple can "Kiss My Pissssss"!

I use 3D Touch EVERY day ... even if it's correcting typos on the Keyboard since it occurs more often since iOS 10. Whatever engineer at Apple/Foxconn chose to rid of the 3DTouch gets a huge middle finger.
 
First of all, unless you are him you don't have the slightest idea what his "argument" is. As I said, there's a good chance he has zero argument and is just trolling the SE lovers, as so many like to do here. You making up a weak argument for him doesn't change how pathetic the post was.

Second, so we're now concerned about the resources of Apple to the point that we're begging for products not to be made that we have no interest in??? In that case, Apple, PLEASE no more:

Mac Pro
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPad
iPad Air
iPad Pro
MacBook
MacBook Pro
MacBook Air

Wow.....can you imagine how much more resources Apple will have when they stop making all those products that I have no interest in?? They might be able to FINALLY get some cash in the bank.
Hey, I am with you on the SE. But being on here long enough would have seen most of the "reasons" why those SE haters don't want Apple to make them. :confused:
I am in no way defending those fellows.:cool:
 
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