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These rumors have mixed up so much. Apple doesn't return to Touch ID after saying Face ID is thousands times more secure.
Who said return ? Why not both ?

FaceID is more secure, but the combination would be even better. Use FaceID for unlock (only unlock when looking at the phone) and with full-screen touchID you could do continuous authentication so that even after unlocking it simply wouldn't respond to someone else's touch (or at least lock within a few touches).

You could also do cool stuff like detecting which finger touches the screen, so maybe 3DTouch can be replaced with using a different finger for contextual actions.Click with your index finger and 'right-click' with your middel finger, for example.
 
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But how do You get a full screen is the question?!
Who says you NEED to get to full screen? What problems does it solve? How does it improve usability of a device?
And a very good question. As the competition moves to true full-screen devices, the notch is becoming a problem for Apple. Unless they can somehow stuff all that Face ID tech behind the screen, I could see them returning to Touch ID.
See above. Having a device that's literally just a full screen looks cool, but it doesn't solve any problems or make the device more usable. Therefore it isn't a "problem" for Apple as you imply.
 
People are missing the most basic logic here.

TouchID and FaceID both have their advantages, but FaceID is better overall. It's not better in EVERY single use case, but neither was TouchID.

The solution to any minor issues people might have with FaceID isn't to go back to a previous technology (like TouchID that still has its own problems). The correct solution it to improve the superior technology (FaceID).

It's substantially more likely Apple will refine FaceID (make it work in landscape on iPhones and improve its response time) than it is to see them go backwards to an older technology.

Never had a problem with Touch ID, and the net time it takes to get to the home screen is a lot faster than Face ID. Returned the X in 2017 because of it and the immature OLED tech.

You thinking Face ID is better is just your opinion. Don't state it as if it is factual.
 
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Barclays prediction? No thanks. Tim Cook already said Face ID is the future, which now is expanding into the iPad and eventually will be into the Mac. There’s no reason to believe they’re going to be using a fingerprint reader under the display. Not when Face ID has so much invested into it already.
 
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I don't see where the issue is? Full screen Touch ID technology was not ready for the iPhone X, so they added a new way to unlock the phone. Now that they feel it's ready to be integrated into iPhone, why not bring it back if it's more secure? After all, people have not stopped complaining about Touch ID > Face ID.

This also brings them one step closer at a real bezel-less screen.
I observed that the vast majority of people I know have come to prefer the seamless experience of Fave ID once they used it for a few days.
I also observed that most of the naysayers and people that freely criticise Fave ID do not have an iPhone X, XS or XR, just exposing their preconceived notions of “what works best”. Face ID is the future, and Apple is fully invested in it. You should try it too, it’s a game-changer.
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Barclays prediction? No thanks. Tim Cook already said Face ID is the future, which now is expanding into the iPad and eventually will be into the Mac. There’s no reason to believe they’re going to be using a fingerprint reader under the display. Not when Face ID has so much invested into it already.
This!
 
Who says you NEED to get to full screen? What problems does it solve? How does it improve usability of a device?

See above. Having a device that's literally just a full screen looks cool, but it doesn't solve any problems or make the device more usable. Therefore it isn't a "problem" for Apple as you imply.

You said it yourself. It looks cool. Compared to a full, uninterrupted screen the notch looks like old hat. Keeping the notch will give consumers a reason not to buy an iPhone if full screen alternatives exist. So yes, that’s a problem.
 
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Geeze how boring... better camera? . . shocker... . oh well, here's to 2020!
 
Never had a problem with Touch ID, and the net time it takes to get to the home screen is a lot faster than Face ID. Returned the X in 2017 because of it and the immature OLED tech.

You thinking Face ID is better is just your opinion. Don't state it as if it is factual.
It’s factual. Market research with users of iPhones with FaceID prove that. People that complain about FaceID generally have not even used FaceID to start with.
 
Do these people really believe that Apple will walk back on Face ID? After going with it on the iPads, the company has given more than enough evidence that it is fully invested in it. Never mind the fact that once you use Face ID you realize how much superior it is to Touch ID.

It was a pivot, because they didn't have the under the screen finger print technology set up a few years ago.
 
Full Screen Touch ID will result in a lot of accidental phone unlocking?

pretty sure you'll need to swipe up to actually get into the home screen.

Isn't faceID already like that? With the screen on it automatically scans your face and unlocks and you swipe up to actually use it.
 
The only thing I want is for the iPhone to support the Apple Pencil.
 
It’s factual. Market research with users of iPhones with FaceID prove that. People that complain about FaceID generally have not even used FaceID to start with.

You just telling me that isn't objective evidence. Market research isn't objective evidence either, it's a mass collection of opinions and preferences. Plus, nobody is complaining about FaceID so that is moot.
 
The only thing I want is for the iPhone to support the Apple Pencil.

I like the idea, but not likely. That’s been rumored for quite some time and doesn’t seem to be progressing. I think Apple is reserving Apple Pencil support for the iPad only. (At least for now.)
 
I can’t wait to see how the Apple team try and spin such an underwhelming release at the keynote.
 
People that complain about FaceID generally have not even used FaceID to start with.

Guilty as charged. I haven't used it because I find facial recognition technology sinister and having it on a personal device I use all day is an affront. I'm happy to believe claims that it's more secure, fast, convenient etc., but I do not care.
 
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No there isn't. Just a bunch of pompous individuals who know nothing about markets, pretending too. Carry on.
Sounds like you’re making a judgment with no facts. You have no inside information, no marketing information, no survey information to prove your point. And you immediately denigrate the opinion of anyone who disagrees. Don’t carry on.
 
Guilty as charged. I haven't used it because I find facial recognition technology sinister and having it on a personal device I use all day is an affront. I'm happy to believe claims that it's more secure, fast, convenient etc., but I do not care.
I'm fine with your concerns. It's a personal choice and question of priorities. What makes me a bit mad is when people have not even tried Face ID for more than a week and start complaining and saying that - on technology and ease of use alone - it is inferior to Touch ID. It is not. Period. You're fully entitled to be concerned about the nature of face identification and I respect you on that.
 
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(nice one) ;-)
Yeah, I know. Thats the sad part. And 20 years down the line we will look back and point that this was the breaking point. Our bodies will most likely mutate over the years but there will be price to this. Thats the sad reality
Something is already causing colon cancer to become a concern among people under 30. The stats on that are very concerning. Even with a genetic predisposition, I wasn’t supposed to have to worry about that form of cancer until my late 50’s. But pre cancerous version of the tumor that my father fought in his 70’s and my grandfather fought at 80 struck me in my 40’s. It was fortunately caught in time. But my time should not have come as soon as it did. I exercise and eat well enough but it is a typical modern diet.

So whatever we need to be afraid of is already out there. Probably GMO food, but nobody really knows. I’ve read some of the health concerns of 5G. I am concerned but I’m still already concerned about other technology already in use in smartphones. I’m concerned about so many environmental toxins my govt allowed to be used with no restriction. The genie was already let out of the bottle. Not that that is any comfort. It’s not.

At any rate there’s been people very vocal and fighting 5G implementation. Some of them fighting it not over health concerns but because it’s infringing on local government oversight. And still it’s steamrolling its way toward implementation. If you truly want to stop 5G I’m not sure how you’d go about it when so much money is behind rolling it out.

I’m fine with 4G phones. I’m looking forward to the new XR.
 
Statistics are evidence. I admit I have not tested the statistics behind those claims to be absolutely sure - I'll give you that. But if you sample in the correct way a certain amount of consumers you can pretty much identify trends in people's reactions to things such as the introduction of Face ID and so forth.
You just telling me that isn't objective evidence. Market research isn't objective evidence either, it's a mass collection of opinions and preferences. Plus, nobody is complaining about FaceID so that is moot.
 
Something is already causing colon cancer to become a concern among people under 30. The stats on that are very concerning. Even with a genetic predisposition, I wasn’t supposed to have to worry about that form of cancer until my late 50’s. But pre cancerous version of the tumor that my father fought in his 70’s and my grandfather fought at 80 struck me in my 40’s. It was fortunately caught in time. But my time should not have come as soon as it did. I exercise and eat well enough but it is a typical modern diet.

So whatever we need to be afraid of is already out there. Probably GMO food, but nobody really knows. I’ve read some of the health concerns of 5G. I am concerned but I’m still already concerned about other technology already in use in smartphones. I’m concerned about so many environmental toxins my govt allowed to be used with no restriction. The genie was already let out of the bottle. Not that that is any comfort. It’s not.

At any rate there’s been people very vocal and fighting 5G implementation. Some of them fighting it not over health concerns but because it’s infringing on local government oversight. And still it’s steamrolling its way toward implementation. If you truly want to stop 5G I’m not sure how you’d go about it when so much money is behind rolling it out.

I’m fine with 4G phones. I’m looking forward to the new XR.
Hi GrumpyMom. I generally find your concerns over-the-top (no offense, but I remember our discussion about AirPods and supposed risks of bluetooth in wearables) however on 5G I do see why people get concerned about it in the long haul. I need to read more about it, but I am not entirely convinced about the way it works in regards to health... So, I'll probably stick with 4G for a while... Especially in the city where I live, which probably won't have 5G for the next 5 years anyways.
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thats a letdown. I really love using 3d touch in pubg.
OMG, yes!
 
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