2020 iPhones May Have Full-Screen Touch ID, New iPhone SE Based on iPhone 8 Also Possible Next Year

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Barclays analyst Blayne Curtis and his associates today shared their expectations for both 2019 and 2020 model iPhones following their trip to Asia earlier this month, where they met with some suppliers within Apple's supply chain.

MacRumors render of 2019 iPhones with triple-lens rear cameras​

Our summary of the research note, shared with MacRumors:The trio of high-end 2019 iPhones will have relatively few design changes, beyond additional rear camera lenses, with production set to ramp up in the typical July-August timeframe
3D Touch will be eliminated in all 2019 iPhones as Barclays previously predicted, possibly signaling a Haptic Touch expansion
The next-generation iPhone XR will have 4GB of RAM, up from 3GB, as previously predicted by analyst Ming-Chi Kuo
2020 iPhones will have more significant changes, including 5G support, 3D sensing via the rear camera system, and acoustic fingerprint technology that could allow for full-screen Touch ID
"A few suppliers" mentioned a potential "iPhone SE 2" with iPhone 8 internals in early 2020, but others had no knowledge of it
LG may become a secondary supplier of OLED displays for 2019 iPhones, with a 10-30 percent split of orders with Samsung, ahead of Apple transitioning all of its iPhones to OLED as early as 2020Other rumors have suggested that 2019 iPhones will feature frosted glass casing, larger batteries, and a bilateral charging feature that allows users to charge AirPods or an Apple Watch by placing them on the back of the iPhone.

Apple will likely unveil its latest iPhones in September as usual at Steve Jobs Theater.

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Meanwhile we still don't know what the new iPhone XI colour is going to be. Every year Apple releases a new colour to keep the line-up fresh
It'd be surprising to only have Space Grey, Silver, and Gold two years in a row.

 

[realtuner]

You’re wrong.

There is only one credible Apple analyst. Ming.

In 2017/early 2018 he was 100% sure 3D Touch would come to 2018 iPhones excluding the XR. And the same XR tech would be the base to phase out 3D Touch in all 2019 iPhones.

This news dates back to around the iPhone X release.

Who said I was speaking only about Ming?

Credible? He's been absurdly wrong on many occasions. If you want to cherry-pick the predictions he got right, then I suppose you could call him "credible".

 

[Pureluck]

Funny, I went back to Touch ID on my iPad and wow it is BETTER than face ID. Face ID constantly fails for me (and yes I have setup two profiles). If I am in the sun and my face is squinting it fails, it fails at times with my sunglasses, it fails all the time while laying down, it fails if I dont hold the iphone at about the same distance from my face. It fails so much that I keep my passcode as 4 digits because I am constantly entering it.

Whereas, when I went back to Touch ID, I was surprised how Touch ID in the iPad works all the time and is far more reliable in terms of working. It never fails whether I am in the sun, looking down, laying down, hair over my eyes, etc.

The big difference is to get Face ID to work I have to think about how I am holding the iPhone and my facial expression. Touch ID I don't think about being in the "sweet spot" for it to work.

Face ID is a great idea, but it is not as consistent in authenticating as Touch ID is for me...

 

[macjaffa]

Do these people really believe that Apple will walk back on Face ID? After going with it on the iPads, the company has given more than enough evidence that it is fully invested in it. Never mind the fact that once you use Face ID you realize how much superior it is to Touch ID.

apart from if your phone is flat on your desk you have to pick it up to be able unlock it.

Apart from the fact i have to look at my phone to unlock it, rather than just you know, touch it.

apart from the fact that i have to have my face in a rough area rather than touching a indented space that's i can do every time 100%, unlike face id. No try again, too low, too high etc.

Face id is great, when i want my phone unlocked and i'm holding it, and b looking at it. otherwise it sucks major donkey balls.

The hidden auto locking / secure features are really nice though.

there's definitely a place for touch unlock and face unlock

 

[Frantisekj]

Would be glad to see touch ID return to X design phones, would potentially be even more interested in an 8 design SE if there is a plus variant (which unfortunately it doesn't sound like there will be).

That Plus variant for SE is XS. Lol

 

[WannaGoMac]

That's interesting, I had the exact opposite experience with Touch ID and Face ID. With Touch ID, if you're holding a glass of water, a can of Coca-Cola, or if you just washed your hands, there you go, bam, it doesn't work. I have to wipe my fingers before I try it again. Only for it not to work again, as now the whole touch sensor is covered in moisture and very small droplets of water. So I need to take my iPad or iPhone and wipe it on my shirt or sleeve before it's functional again. That tires me out more often than the times Face ID didn't recognize me. Having said that, have you tried turning of Attention Sensor (not sure what is the real name) on the Face ID settings? This is the thing that requires that not only your face is detected, but your eyes must be opened before Face ID unlocks your device. I realise that turning this off might create a possibility that someone opens your phone while you're sleeping. However, if you're not as conscious about your device's privacy to think someone might do that, turning it off made Face ID work EXTREMELY reliably for me. Give it a try, it's worth it.

Great tip, I just feel a bit uncomfortable reducing the security of the device to get it to work properly.

Touch ID requires an extra step. Face ID works seamlessly for me while inputting passwords and making payments. That’s a key issue for me.

How is that possible? Apple Pay became a bigger pain in the butt with Face ID. With Touch ID i just put my phone against the terminal, then pressed TOuch ID and done. Now I have to look at my phone at the right spot (trying to keep the angle right with me and near the payment device) and then double press the side button to pay (which is awkward thanks to that great idea to put another button exactly opposite side of the phone). To me, this is more work than Touch ID.

Also, keep in mind that this is the third generation of Touch ID vs. 1st generation of Face ID. If you compare reliability of the 1st gen Touch ID, Face ID blows it out of the water.

My understanding is the Touch ID in the iPad 2018 is the first gen Touch ID and not 2nd or 3rd gen.

This is the key, right here. The whole point behind Touch ID originally was to make authentication seamless, thus making it practical for anyone to have a strong passcode on their phone because they could seamlessly unlock their device as though there's no passcode present at all.

With Touch ID, you simply pressed the button that you had to press anyway and it authenticated you while you did it. Face ID is a half-baked solution that Apple had to rush out the door in order to remove the Home button once they realized under-screen Touch ID wasn't going to be ready in 2017. You can't use it in any other orientation than portrait upright, it fails out half the time anyway, you have to think about your distance and orientation or your phone won't unlock, and it randomly tried to read your face when you're just holding the phone in your hand -- not trying to unlock -- until it locks out Face ID and you have to enter your passcode.

None of those were issues with Touch ID. It worked with any learned finger, at any angle, regardless of sunlight or distance. You never had to re-rotate your phone when using it landscape and an app wants to use Face ID. It works in the morning when you just wake up. You never had an "accidental" reading where it tried to read your finger and you didn't intend to press the Home button, because there was never a reason to do that. You just pressed, and it worked. Every time. It's a real shame that Apple replaced a technology that worked near perfectly, with Face ID.

I completely forgot about the orientation issue. Yes I can be on my side laying in bed and Touch ID works fine, I can press on the button from almost any direction and angle, it works great. Face ID forget it. If my face is at all distorted by a pillow, or laying down it just fails. Face ID only works well for me when I am standing up and my face is as it remembers (no long hair blocking me, or any expression on my face like a smile or frown or squinting).

Oh and I tried fixing the use in bed issue by making a second Face ID profile of me laying down in bed. That worked for maybe a day or two before the AI learned my face standing up and yep, back to Face ID NEVER working laying in bed.

 

[Pureluck]

Not sure how you could “go back” to TouchID on your iPad after using FaceID. My IPad Pro has faceID but no finger scanner. And my old IPad with the finger scanner was not able to do FaceID. So what you’re stating makes no sense. FaceID works much better. It even unlocks my iPhone while I’m brushing my teeth so I’m not sure how people are saying it doesn’t work all the time...

 

[realtuner]

Never had a problem with Touch ID, and the net time it takes to get to the home screen is a lot faster than Face ID. Returned the X in 2017 because of it and the immature OLED tech.

You thinking Face ID is better is just your opinion. Don't state it as if it is factual.

Not my opinion, but the opinion of the majority of iPhone users. Numerous customer satisfaction surveys have shown this.

 

[macjaffa]

Great tip, I just feel a bit uncomfortable reducing the security of the device to get it to work properly.



How is that possible? Apple Pay became a bigger pain in the butt with Face ID. With Touch ID i just put my phone, pressed TOuch ID and paid. Now I have to look at my phone at the right spot (trying to keep the angle right with me and near the payment device) and then double press the side button to pay. This is more work than Touch ID.



My understanding is the Touch ID in the iPad 2018 is the first gen Touch ID and not 2nd or 3rd gen.



I completely forgot about the orientation issue. Yes I can be on my side laying in bed and Touch ID works fine, I can press on the button from almost any direction and angle, it works great. Face ID forget it. If my face is at all distorted by a pillow, or laying down it just fails. Face ID only works well for me when I am standing up and my face is as it remembers (no long hair blocking me, or any expression on my face like a smile or frown or squinting).

absolutely totally agree. Face id is great when it works but it doesn't work a lot of the time like i don't know, when im not looking at the phone or my face is obscured. It drops back to passphrase/code. Why can't it drop back to touch id, then if THAT fails ask for passcode. . Apple pay sucks with it compared to touchid

It's similar in a way to why don't apple just put touch screens on the macbook now damn it. right now a multi touch screen would be awesome

 

[fivenotrump]

Apple still sells them in the clearance section of their website.

only in USA it seems

 

[WannaGoMac]

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apart from if your phone is flat on your desk you have to pick it up to be able unlock it.

Apart from the fact i have to look at my phone to unlock it, rather than just you know, touch it.

apart from the fact that i have to have my face in a rough area rather than touching a indented space that's i can do every time 100%, unlike face id. No try again, too low, too high etc.

Face id is great, when i want my phone unlocked and i'm holding it, and b looking at it. otherwise it sucks major donkey balls.

The hidden auto locking / secure features are really nice though.

there's definitely a place for touch unlock and face unlock

I think you hit on something, it would be great to have BOTH face ID and touch ID. Face ID for the situations it works well, and touch ID for the situations face ID fails.

 

[Cosmosent]

RE: "The next-generation iPhone XR will have 4GB of RAM, up from 3GB,..."

The XR is NOT a 3 GB device !

The X is NOT a 3 GB device !

When using the camera frameworks, they both act like they have less than 2 GB !

It's NOT common knowledge, because ALL popular benchmarks are Synthetic Benchmarks, that do NOT test for DRAM availability !

ONLY one app has a real-world application benchmark that does ! ... everyone should be testing their iPhone & iPad for DRAM availability to get a sense of it's true Performance level !

 

[Darth Tulhu]

I think it would be nice if Apple re-added TouchID on the back of the phone, and let US decide which method is superior for the particular situation or personal use case.

You know, like most other major Android handset-makers do.

If I ever switched back, that would be something I'd miss.

 

[ChrisMoBro]

People like you act as if every customer upgrades annually

People like you ignore the fact that Apple needs to do something drastic to turn things around. Adding a new camera is hardly going to convince people to upgrade after 2-3 years let alone 1.

 

[WannaGoMac]

Not my opinion, but the opinion of the majority of iPhone users. Numerous customer satisfaction surveys have shown this.

I just tried searching for a TouchID vs FaceID satisfaction survey where both technology were used by the survey participants and didnt see anything. perhaps you can post a few of these surveys?

Frankly I am shocked if true. While faceid is great when it works, the number of situations it fails is more than TouchID failed in my usage of both technologies. Id LOVE if faceID were better or same level of quality as TouchID. I really like the ability to look at the phone and it automatically displays notifications while hiding them when it's not me.

 

[apolloa]

If a new SE only has the iPhone 8 internals then I’m not interested, as that also means it won’t have the new great camera features of this years phones.

So considering the silly high price, low storage base option and most importantly, the lack of ‘Zoomed Screen’ mode on the X and XS, and that the Max I think is too big.
That leaves the XR again for me, and I want the 2020 XR to have dual lens camera, better battery life and an OLED screen, and a Qualcomm modem, all of which I believe it will have, it would be nice if was a bit thinner or lighter too.

But if the smaller premium iPhone gets a zoomed screen mode I may have to reconsider...

I also like the idea of both Touch ID and Face ID on the same phone for extra security, so it can store things like passports and driving licenses then. Moves closer to leaving your wallet at home then.

I don’t know, I moan about the size and weight of the XR but love it’s bigger screen.. I wish it had split screen though, my XR is the fastest phone I’ve ever owned! Tis one smooth slick machine.

Will be excited to see what they do with the XR in 2020, but I think the changes I want will be made.

 

[1sama1]

I beg to differ.
Ever heard of the term latency?
Even the Apple Bluetooth headphones still has that annoying latency during games.

Adding to this.. there was no good reason for removing the headphone jack other than for apple to sell more dongles and airpods

 

[Remy149]

People like you ignore the fact that Apple needs to do something drastic to turn things around. Adding a new camera is hardly going to convince people to upgrade after 2-3 years let alone 1.

Turn what around exactly while iPhone sales where down they where not horrible and they still have higher single model sales then any competitors devices. Most consumers smartly upgrade less frequently because their devices feel new longer then years ago when the technology was rapidly changing

 

[The Game 161]

Full screen Touch ID and Face ID both would be good to have options.

 

[Mac 128]

The only thing I want is for the iPhone to support the Apple Pencil.

Given the size of the XR and XS Plus models, it's hard to imagine they won't add this support in the near future.

Exactly. Most folks who talk about the appeal of the SE seem to focus on only 1 of its qualities. But it has been popular for all the reasons. For some, it is only 1 reasons (and that 1 reason differs). For others, 2 or more.

Smaller Phone.
Less expensive.
Tried and True design.
headphone jack.

I won't go back to an iPhone (the SE was my last) unless Apple offers a follow-up to the SE that embodies all that. It probably won't happen and Apple isn't losing sleep over a single person who has left the fold.

Good luck finding any decent mobile phone with a headphone jack in the near future. Apple will never add the headphone jack back to their mobile devices.

Even if you could get all this, the small size and additional internals to bring the phone up to 2019/2020 hardware specs would likely mean a small battery.

But then it’s also a smaller display, and better battery tech, more efficient coding ... so ...

 

[Pureluck]

absolutely totally agree. Face id is great when it works but it doesn't work a lot of the time like i don't know, when im not looking at the phone or my face is obscured. It drops back to passphrase/code. Why can't it drop back to touch id, then if THAT fails ask for passcode. . Apple pay sucks with it compared to touchid

It's similar in a way to why don't apple just put touch screens on the macbook now damn it. right now a multi touch screen would be awesome

Again, Apple doesn’t make an iPhone with both FaceID and a finger scanner. What you are saying makes no sense...

 

[Remy149]

I think it would be nice if Apple re-added TouchID on the back of the phone, and let US decide which method is superior for the particular situation or personal use case.

You know, like most other major Android handset-makers do.

If I ever switched back, that would be something I'd miss.

Most android phones offer fingerprint sensors beside facial recognition because most of them have tech that can easily be fooled with a photo of the owner

 

[berrymetal]

Touch ID, then Face ID, now back to Touch ID? Pick a lane, Apple! This is worse than are we swiping or inserting the chip. lol

Both actually

 

[1sama1]

Full screen Touch ID and Face ID both would be good to have options.

Options would be nice but that term is not known to Apple. They only know what is "Best" for customers and customers have to adjust if they want to use Apple products.

 

[WannaGoMac]

Options would be nice but that term is not known to Apple. They only know what is "Best" for customers and customers have to adjust if they want to use Apple products.

So true. I prefer the long term support and privacy talk of Apple over all the android devices which many have far superior hardware (flexibility, features, etc). Therefore, I pick Apple and just deal with the weird quirks.