pachyderm
macrumors G5
How many of them have winning records? Auburn surely doesn't, do they?
What are their reasons for not playing?
It's bad enough when star players sit out bowl games.
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How many of them have winning records? Auburn surely doesn't, do they?
What are their reasons for not playing?
It's bad enough when star players sit out bowl games.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Teams number 4 through 10 (starting at FSU) all are 5-7, so no one beyond ND has a winning record
MBAir2010
macrumors G3
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
What was not said is the money that the school and the conference gets from participating in the bowl game.
pachyderm
macrumors G5
lol
Then they don't belong in a bowl game anyway.
Maybe this will be the harbinger that ends all of the superfluous bowl games that have sprung up.
jonblatho
macrumors 68030
If a team is booted out of the CFP for losing a conference championship game, you'll see teams begin to decline to participate in the, or conferences will eventually begin refusing to hold them at all. Their ranking might drop, but they will remain in the field barring exigent circumstances.
In fact, teams have always dropped at least one spot after losing a conference championship game — until Alabama this year. They likely remained at #9 due to their regular-season win over the eventual SEC champion, and the clear desire to finally rank Notre Dame and Miami directly next to each other, allowing for Miami (and the ACC) to get in due to their Week 1 win over Notre Dame. Conversely, BYU dropped a spot after losing the Big 12 CCG, but it was already out of the field, so it doesn't really matter.
Leaving Notre Dame ranked over Miami as long as they did was silly; the hissy fit that Notre Dame is throwing now is ridiculous. They should have been preparing themselves for this outcome from the moment that Duke won the ACC championship.
Tangent, I think most of us here in Norman were pretty surprised by the Bama rematch; seems the prevailing thought was that Bama would drop to #10 and we'd get either Notre Dame or Miami. In any case, looking forward to being there in person next Friday night. Boomer!
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Some random thoughts
ND played 4 ranked teams (2-2 one of them being Miami) and they had a harder schedule with more higher profile teams.
Miami played 3 ranked teams (3-0). Miami lost to unranked teams that had a worse record. They seemingly had an easier schedule. Miami lost their games in week 6 and 8, where as ND lost early and finished strong
So in my mind, it makes more sense to have ND ranked higher then Miami due to their schedule, when the losses occurred and who they lost too (ranked vs. unranked).
As for the selection.
Miami aired the Miami vs. ND game 13 times on the ACC channel the week before the CFP selection. ND is part of the ACC in all sports but football, but they felt betrayed by conference with the conference choosing one school over another member school in its promoting Miami. It seems that the selection committee is inconsistent when using a head to head game when making a decision, in this case they did, but they don't always.
I'm not saying ND is 100% right, but they have a right to be angry imo.
dmr727
macrumors G4
I think the inconsistency with the ranking is what bothered me. A case could have been made for any of the three teams on the bubble, but having ND ranked ahead of Miami in all but the final poll (with neither team playing) is a terrible look. I'm disappointed by ND's subsequent temper tantrum, but I do agree with their statement about the polls being a farce if the committee is going to suddenly change their minds in the final week.
I'd also be upset with how the ACC publicly promoted Miami.
That said, ND isn't endearing themselves to anyone with how they reacted to the snub.
I'd also be upset with how the ACC publicly promoted Miami.
That said, ND isn't endearing themselves to anyone with how they reacted to the snub.
MBAir2010
macrumors G3
UMiami lost one game on incompetence, an interception instead of kicking a tying field goal and lost to SMU in OT.
they should have won both those games as maybe the selection committee took that into consideration.
I feel my 'canes dont deserve the playoff seed, but they might surprise many soon
as they play as good as their opponent.
they skink against stinky teams, and great against great teams.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Have they ever took into consideration the quality or reasoning in a loss to decide a playoff team? That seems like a tenuous argument. I think most people won't excuse a loss for one reason or another but rather say its a loss.
@dmr727 made an excellent point where ND was ahead of Miami, until they were not (when both teams were idle).
MBAir2010
macrumors G3
since I saw 80% of Umiami play this season as they look dominant top 4 and great, until a coaching bonehead play call.
I'm sure the selection commits saw what I saw and remember the players playing professionally,
as I remember the coaches coaching pee-wee football at times. they shot themselves in the foot.
obviously if some teams won Saturday, UMiami is out just for those 2 dumb losses.
To me it doesn't matter how or who they lost too. A loss is a loss.
MBAir2010
macrumors G3
my point is/was they are better than their rank, record and could win the entire enchilada!
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
So let me ask you this, on December 2nd, Notre Dame was ranked 10th, and Miami was ranked 12th. Neither team played, what changed the following week that made them go to 10th, and ND 11th?
pachyderm
macrumors G5
I think the conference title games are almost obsolete now that we have the 12-team playoff anyway.
jonblatho
macrumors 68030
Notre Dame is not an ACC member institution for football. Of course the ACC is going to promote its own football institution over an independent.
The committee frequently discussed “pods” of rankings, where it believed Notre Dame was in a higher pod than Miami, which prevented the head-to-head result from coming into play. They repeatedly implied that if Notre Dame and Miami wound up next to each other, Miami’s win over Notre Dame would take precedence.
Last week’s rankings sliding Bama up to #9, with the sole separation between Notre Dame and Miami being the Big 12 underdog BYU, should have sounded some alarms in South Bend. As expected, BYU got dog walked in Arlington and dropped a spot. By itself that’d have left Notre Dame at #10 and slid Miami up to #11. Head-to-head came into play, and Notre Dame’s out.
They’ve said (and demonstrated) often that idle teams can move in the rankings after conference championships.
MBAir2010
macrumors G3
I have no clue......
the weather?
I just watch the game while ignoring who is ranked, was arrested or getting paid.
dmr727
macrumors G4
But they're an ACC member for everything else, and also have a 5 game deal with the ACC for football. The smart move was to say nothing at all. All they succeeded in doing was bury a knife into the most important relationship they have.
jonblatho
macrumors 68030
The most important relationship the ACC has is with its member institutions. When forced to choose between a member institution and a glorified affiliate making it into the CFP, of course the ACC is going to openly prefer their member institution. They'd be insane not to.
If Notre Dame would like access to the full benefits of conference membership, then they should consider joining a conference.
MBAir2010
macrumors G3
dmr727
macrumors G4
But when that 'glorified affiliate' provides more value to the conference than its member institutions, it needs to think long and hard about poking the bear. I'm no fan of Notre Dame - I think they have the most entitled and annoying fan base in college athletics - but they're still a big swinging d*** when it comes to TV revenue and putting butts in the seats. The ACC is playing a big game of FAFO, IMO.
Student of Life
macrumors 65816
UM completely deserved it over ND. ND attitude and behavior in this is the equivalent of a toddler having a tantrum. They thought entitlement would let them in, they were wrong and again the behavior is just unacceptable. NBC is not happy ND declined a Bowl bid, the sponsor etc, this will not end well for them or endear them with the selection committee next year. Literally self inflicted harmed acting like a toddler.