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I think it is so fascinating, F1 more now than at any time in the past needs a strong anti-hero, a strong villain.. Someone that rattles the cage, upsets the locals, does things we don't like... Micheal Schumacher, Eddie Jordan, Sir Mr J Stewart Esq, Mr Senna, folks that push and push hard against the establishment...

George haters is great, I think it is a healthy display of acceptance of his contribution to F1.. Hate is love, you cannot hate something you don't secretly love.. I don't hate or love horse burgers, as I have no idea what it is like.. So how can I hate something I have no idea about...[I hate mushy peas.. I know a lot about mushy peas and baked beans..I love other things, hate mushy peas...]

That is the funny strange thing, maybe that is the X in the X factor, you don't know what, but you know it's result.. Take Micheal Schumacher, he pushed and pushed hard, and yeah, I hated him, I hated his tactics.. But then I realized, once he was no longer there, I missed him, I missed his talent, I was a Villineuve/Hill fan, and felt what Schumacher did was wrong, I was immature, naive, not ready to understand the greater...

What an honour it is for someone to give up their time, their passion to dedicate energy on your behalf, not sure of the science, but I am certain there is no negative energy, so if you use energy on something, it is positive, so if you "hate" you are expending energy for that person, that is actually love..

We need the drama llama in F1, we need scandal, we need the mavericks, the brave folks willing to push against the established, my moment of clarity came that one rainy race day, Micheal Schumacher won the race by pitting on the last lap, no one thought it was right/legal/ethical [insert your own words]...

Chaos and pandemonium, "Was he right?" Regardless, it was then I realized he was doing the right thing, not lying down like a doppy golden mutt, he had every right to test the laws as hard as he could, this is F1, not a fight for a Ms Princess of the Sea pageant for 6 yr old girls...

We have seen this from era to era, Senna complained about it very vocally, so did Nikki Lauda, James Hunt, J Stewart, all felt the harsh establishment rules.. And did something about it..

So ironically hate is just misunderstood love.. You hate, nah you are just embarrassed to admit you actually love..[with all rules, there are exceptions, my hate for mushy peas...there is no love...none..no idea why, I love peas, esp the minty jelly with peas..and peas in stews, but mushy peas...would rather starve...]
 
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I haven’t managed to watch the highlights yet as they were on so late but been catching up with the action through articles. Wow, George is getting so much hate and I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve seen people say ‘karma for the Sprint race’. I don’t watch sprint races and truly hate the concept of them, but had to watch clips of this apparent controversy. George seemed to hold his line and Kimi was over zealous and ran himself over the corner, completely fair racing in my opinion. George was the better driver all weekend and I have no doubt he’d have won the race from everything I’ve seen.

We have 2 drivers free to race and clearly evenly matched, yet fans want to be toxic about it. I hate this era of F1 and really wish we could rewind 15 years and not have articles and forums full of low quality discussion. Not this one of course.

Yeah, I felt like most of the challenges Kimi made in the sprint were ambitious at best.

I did enjoy the race very much.
 
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I think it is so fascinating, F1 more now than at any time in the past needs a strong anti-hero, a strong villain.. Someone that rattles the cage, upsets the locals, does things we don't like... Micheal Schumacher, Eddie Jordan, Sir Mr J Stewart Esq, Mr Senna, folks that push and push hard against the establishment ...
Max Verstappen fits into that for me.
... but mushy peas...would rather starve ...

With you on the mushy peas ... to me they are demon **** 🤮
 
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I think it is so fascinating, F1 more now than at any time in the past needs a strong anti-hero, a strong villain.. Someone that rattles the cage, upsets the locals, does things we don't like... Micheal Schumacher, Eddie Jordan, Sir Mr J Stewart Esq, Mr Senna, folks that push and push hard against the establishment...

George haters is great, I think it is a healthy display of acceptance of his contribution to F1.. Hate is love, you cannot hate something you don't secretly love.. I don't hate or love horse burgers, as I have no idea what it is like.. So how can I hate something I have no idea about...[I hate mushy peas.. I know a lot about mushy peas and baked beans..I love other things, hate mushy peas...]

That is the funny strange thing, maybe that is the X in the X factor, you don't know what, but you know it's result.. Take Micheal Schumacher, he pushed and pushed hard, and yeah, I hated him, I hated his tactics.. But then I realized, once he was no longer there, I missed him, I missed his talent, I was a Villineuve/Hill fan, and felt what Schumacher did was wrong, I was immature, naive, not ready to understand the greater...

What an honour it is for someone to give up their time, their passion to dedicate energy on your behalf, not sure of the science, but I am certain there is no negative energy, so if you use energy on something, it is positive, so if you "hate" you are expending energy for that person, that is actually love..

We need the drama llama in F1, we need scandal, we need the mavericks, the brave folks willing to push against the established, my moment of clarity came that one rainy race day, Micheal Schumacher won the race by pitting on the last lap, no one thought it was right/legal/ethical [insert your own words]...

Chaos and pandemonium, "Was he right?" Regardless, it was then I realized he was doing the right thing, not lying down like a doppy golden mutt, he had every right to test the laws as hard as he could, this is F1, not a fight for a Ms Princess of the Sea pageant for 6 yr old girls...

We have seen this from era to era, Senna complained about it very vocally, so did Nikki Lauda, James Hunt, J Stewart, all felt the harsh establishment rules.. And did something about it..

So ironically hate is just misunderstood love.. You hate, nah you are just embarrassed to admit you actually love..[with all rules, there are exceptions, my hate for mushy peas...there is no love...none..no idea why, I love peas, esp the minty jelly with peas..and peas in stews, but mushy peas...would rather starve...]
It was!

But I agree a little drama goes a long way.
 
It was!

But I agree a little drama goes a long way.
Exactly...A strong villain, a strong anti hero...
That is what George haters don't yet grasp...

Micheal made the drama..He pushed a dull 2 hour race into something they tried with drive to survive...Make villains..but DTS failed...

We need new hero v villain.. Lewis v nico, v max..

Kimi v George is growing into something precious..Love that daddy is getting grumpy, and starting to get vocal...Missed the old fella...

F1 is coming out of period of dull same plain vanilla rice cakes for dessert..Monaco will be spicy...
 
For me it is the Indy500 1st, then I will catch strays later, nothing beats F1 for breakfast Monday...
I was introduced to F1 on Sunday mornings, with Bloody Mary's as hangover medication, just after college. At the time I lived in Virginia Beach, VA and there was a bar at a restaurant near the strip which had a special on Bloody Mary's on Sunday. Glorious.
 
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Exactly...A strong villain, a strong anti hero...
That is what George haters don't yet grasp...

Micheal made the drama..He pushed a dull 2 hour race into something they tried with drive to survive...Make villains..but DTS failed...

We need new hero v villain.. Lewis v nico, v max..

Kimi v George is growing into something precious..Love that daddy is getting grumpy, and starting to get vocal...Missed the old fella...

F1 is coming out of period of dull same plain vanilla rice cakes for dessert..Monaco will be spicy...
You're spot on about the need for an anti-hero within the driver ranks. The current decline in Red Bull's fortunes has sort of removed Max from this position, but it looks as if the struggle in the Mercedes ranks may just provide one. Whether it's George or Kimi depends on your personal likes/dislikes. George is eminently capable of putting his elbows out, and Kimi has the impatience and volatility of (very talented) youth fueling him. Let the games begin...
 
I like George. He’s so pretentious and full of himself, I sometimes wonder if he doesn’t even take himself seriously. A caricature almost of some cartoon villain. There’s a clip on F1 YouTube where drivers rate each other and other various games like trivia etc (I think it was during 2023), and it’s George, Lando, and Alex. And they are talking about their experiences, and when it gets to George, he says “It’s like when I won my first race..” and Norris and Alex just groan and eye roll him (before Norris had won a race). It was just the perfect response. I think George is more of an eye roll (you can’t be serious?!?) type of villain if you can even characterize him as such. I think when he pulled out all the stops with the stewards and Max said he’d never seen anyone/adult act that way, that sums up George’s villainy. He’s like a Temu royal and I think it’s more entertaining than anything else.

I think it’s been some time since there was a true villain. Max races hard, pushes rules to the limit, sometimes even crashes out, but he seems to lack malice. When he was a bit younger he was just overconfident perhaps and certainly partly a product of Jos’ upbringing. So never really disliked or thought of him as a villain, polarizing for sure, but not necessarily villainous (unless you’re a SLH fan, but then wasn’t 2021 Masi’s fault if one is unhappy with the results and not Max’s?). Who was the last truly legitimate menace on the track and jerk in real life? Have to go back to 80s/90s perhaps? More current Ocon maybe? But I guess he would need to be more successful to be a proper villain (and the way things are going he may be out of F1 by the end of the year or sooner depending on his performance and various rumors).
 
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So coming out of Montreal, Max has possibly drawn his line in the sand - if the ICE/battery ratio does not change to the 60/40 discussed after Miami, he intends to retire from F1 at the end of this season.

However, with only two PU manufacturers firmly on board with that plan (Mercedes and Red Bull Ford Powertrains), two of the remaining four PU manufacturers need to sign on.

Ferrari is believed to be against the plan, because it would negatively impact ADUO and Ferrari believes that would prevent them from having any hope of catching Mercedes. Audi is also said to be against it, though their concern is the costs involved (believed to be at least $10 million) as they are already spending heavily.

Honda is believed to be generally ambivalent about it and could go either way and GM is said to have concerns, but has not formally presented a for or against view.

So the plan now appears to be to try and convince Audi to change their position and then get Honda on-board, which would provide the necessary four votes to pass.

 
Many fans like it because they find it more interesting than watching "testing" (Free Practice). I happen to be one of those fans, and I have watched the sport since the 1970s.
i don’t mind the sprint, but as I’ve indicated a few times, I’d like to see the F1 weekend extended to 4 days, Day 1 with Free practice, Day 2 Qualifying for race 1, then another period of FP, the Qualifying for Race 2. Days 3 & 4 Race days! Where a circuit can have a night race, make day 1 day, and day 2 night, adding to the spectacle, and giving teams longer to affect repairs, make legal car changes (related to trim in Qualifying 2)
 
At least Max has unequivocally made his feelings about the power split debate known…

Ferrari being Ferrari, or everyone being their self-interested selves, for that matter, is SNAFU for the circus.

Must have missed it -- where is the George hate coming from? The media or the fandom?

Correct me if I'm using the wrong term, but he comes off as a bit "posh," but hasn't achieved enough for his voice to rise about the usual noise. Not like a Max, etc., or even a Jos in terms of villainy.

But there must be a story line, and George vs. Kimi is at least more entertaining than talking about power splits, energy units, and regen…
 
Autocrats are in right now!


In other news, Alpine and Gucci have signed a new title sponsorship deal believed to be worth $150 million over three years (around double what BWT has been paying).

 
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Autocrats are in right now!


In other news, Alpine and Gucci have signed a new title sponsorship deal believed to be worth $150 million over three years (around double what BWT has been paying).

I'm surprised that the BWT sponsorship lasted so long. It was an Otmar Szafnauer thing - when he moved from Force India to Alpine, BWT moved with him.
 
That Ben fellow, I cannot think of an organization I would hate to be involved with more than F1.. An association of petty people that cannot agree on what to have for lunch, or what to do about the engine fiasco...

Why would anyone want to be part of a ********? Is life that bad, he is someone with serious issues.. He thinks F1 is a great thing? It is an insane asylum full of nutters and folks that are 2 jacks short of a full deck of cards.. F1 is a joke, it is a clown show run by the mentally defectives..
 
That Ben fellow, I cannot think of an organization I would hate to be involved with more than F1.. An association of petty people that cannot agree on what to have for lunch, or what to do about the engine fiasco...

Why would anyone want to be part of a ********? Is life that bad, he is someone with serious issues.. He thinks F1 is a great thing? It is an insane asylum full of nutters and folks that are 2 jacks short of a full deck of cards.. F1 is a joke, it is a clown show run by the mentally defectives..
Are you talking about MBS or Domenicali? 😉
 
MBS, I don't know, I don't get the attraction, it is like trying to herd cats.. A job in frustration, I watch F1 for the drama, the folks think this is real.. It is not, it looks real, but it is just entertainment, and if he wants to herd 12 cats, then I guess he is the best they want, we don't pay F1 a fee, so we don't really have a reason to whinge about who runs the insane asylum, if the patients are happy, that is all that matters..
 
Considering there are no straights at Monaco... 😛

Seriously, The Race explains why it has been discarded for the track.


On the flip side, this is going to make energy deployment and recovery extra-critical for performance.
 
Considering there are no straights at Monaco... 😛

Seriously, The Race explains why it has been discarded for the track.


On the flip side, this is going to make energy deployment and recovery extra-critical for performance.

Especially for Mercedes.
 
Same.

Especially with the lackluster results.
True, but according to The Race or one of the YouTube talking heads, the BWT sponsorship was only worth about $25M/yr (reflecting the lackluster results). Seems Gucci is paying upwards of $50M/yr. Still not in the ballpark of Oracle/Red Bull or HP/Ferrari at $100M/yr. But a nice increase for Alpine. Crazy to think Colapinto was bringing in upwards of $30M/yr for his sponsors exceeding the title sponsor. No wonder Briatore wanted him in the seat. Sponsors aside, happy to see Colapinto making strides and improving on the track as well.
 
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