24'' LED Cinema and In-Ear Headphones Shipping Soon?

[Digital Skunk]

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You make one of the best points right here in regards to the difference between IPS and TN panel needs.

For most people, TN is all they need or could ever ask for. I don't think the average consumer should shell out $900 for a 24" monitor when one could be had for half that cost and they don't need the color critical features of the IPS.

For the pro it's a different story, and the glossy screen may be an issue for some, but for me it's the knowledge of what panel is in there. Not that PVA wouldn't do a good job of being accurate, but NEC is and has been going H-IPS for a while, and the 24" iMac panel is H-IPS and although glossy, I get accurate color.

I think Apple is charging way too much for a glossy monitor with webcam and speakers and USB ports geared toward average or even high end consumers.

 

[Umbongo]

Which model would it be?

LP2475w

 

[immanence]

I think Apple is charging way too much for a glossy monitor with webcam and speakers and USB ports geared toward average or even high end consumers.

The absence of firewire is inexplicable when they simultaneously pull the 23" ACD which had firewire. Is this screen just a gimmick? Will the upcoming updates of the original ADC range include a 24" _with_ firewire?

Also it's just plain dumb as a lot of people will miss firewire on the MacBook itself and may have been tempted to buy a screen custom made for MacBooks and MacBook Pros if it had firewire.

The whole thing is just wierd.

I'm still in line for one, however.

 

[Digital Skunk]

The absence of firewire is inexplicable when they simultaneously pull the 23" ACD which had firewire. Is this screen just a gimmick? Will the upcoming updates of the original ADC range include a 24" _with_ firewire?

Also it's just plain dumb as a lot of people will miss firewire on the MacBook itself and may have been tempted to buy a screen custom made for MacBooks and MacBook Pros if it had firewire.

The whole thing is just wierd.

I'm still in line for one, however.

I just couldn't see myself getting one. It's too big a limitation in too nice of a package, typical Apple esque computers. To think that users with new MacBooks and ACDs won't have any other form of connectivity other than USB is sickening.

 

[matticus008]

What about those who don't know what the difference between a TN and IPS is?

If you don't know and can't tell by looking, then you don't need it and shouldn't pay for it.

Ignorance really is bliss sometimes. The bottom line is that TN (Twisted Nematic) and IPS (In-Plane Switching) utilize different kinds of physical and electromagnetic interactions to create colors and transmit light. IPS is more dynamic, more accurate, and significantly more expensive. It also draws significantly more power, because it requires more intense backlighting than TN or MVA panels. This is why you almost never see one in a notebook (as opposed to size and process limitations explaining why there are zero 8-bit notebook panels).

So without the need for a IPS panel (Redundant?), why would I want this monitor?

You wouldn't, unless you absolutely must have exact coordination and are willing to pay hundreds of dollars more purely for aesthetic reasons. There's nothing wrong with that, but I'd think that a grad student would have more fun with $400 extra in his pocket. I know I did in law school.

 

[Tosser]

If you don't know and can't tell by looking, then you don't need it and shouldn't pay for it.

That is simply a bollocks argument. Just because someone doesn't know the intricacies (spl?) of audio monitors, be it speakers or headphones, doesn't mean the person doesn't need the best if he is to monitor.

Just because someone doesn't know how to build a boat, doesn't mean it doesn't matter what he chooses to sail across the Atlantic (or North Sea, for that matter).

And we could continue: Just because someone doesn't know what fall mat would be best for bouldering, doesn't mean he would be okay with a thin crap arse wannabe mat.

Fortunately, you "redeemed" yourself by explaining it to him – that's excellent – and gone are the ignorance

 

[matticus008]

That is simply a bollocks argument. Just because someone doesn't know the intricacies (spl?) of audio monitors, be it speakers or headphones, doesn't mean the person doesn't need the best if he is to monitor.

No, that is the bogus argument. Paying more for something where you can't discern the difference is quite foolish. A fool and his money are easily parted, but it shouldn't be that easy to upsell someone.

If you can't hear the difference between a $50 pair of headphones and a $250 pair, then there is absolutely no reason to buy the $250 pair based on audio quality. If you can't see the difference between two monitors, you get zero tangible benefit from the extra money you spend, making it a waste. When people do the research and learn the details of what they're supposed to recognize as "better", then they convince themselves they can tell the difference when in fact they cannot. Witness the audio format blind sample tests.

 

[Tosser]

No, that is the bogus argument. Paying more for something where you can't discern the difference is quite foolish. A fool and his money are easily parted, but it shouldn't be that easy to upsell someone.

If you can't hear the difference between a $50 pair of headphones and a $250 pair, then there is absolutely no reason to buy the $250 pair based on audio quality.

I'm sorry, but that wasn't your argument. Your argument wasn't that if he wasn't able to tell the difference, but rather if he didn't know the differences. Even if you used the word "tell" as well, you went on to discuss the technical merits, focusing on the "knowing it" part. So, yes, your argument is still bogus.

If you can't see the difference between two monitors, you get zero tangible benefit from the extra money you spend, making it a waste. When people do the research and learn the details of what they're supposed to recognize as "better", then they convince themselves they can tell the difference when in fact they cannot.

See above.

Witness the audio format blind sample tests.

 

[spydr]

For another $20, you can get the Bose In-Ear Headphone with different replaceable tips to match the size of your ear. Bose is a clear leader in this field at this price-point. I have to wonder sometimes what Apple is thinking when it decides on new products (and what to charge for them).

There is no equivalent from Bose or any other respectable in-ear head phones vendors that also incorporates a mic, volume control and play-pause-skip buttons.

About the quality of sound, I cannot say about the upcoming one, but will tell this – the free throw-in ear buds are pretty decent acoustically. Of course the fit it awful. So if they improve upon it, as they claim, and also offer a better fit with soft silicone material, the pricing is a no-brainer.

I will buy one, if only it will work with iPhone. But stupid apple says it won't.

 

[rezonat0r]

What's the consumer or professional who does not need an IPS do?

Umm, buy anything other than an Apple or NEC? No one is forcing you to buy this screen. You obviously don't care about IPS, so don't buy it.

To think that users with new MacBooks and ACDs won't have any other form of connectivity other than USB is sickening.

Oh yes, whatever will we do? Use those high def AVCHD camcorders? The ones that transfer much faster than HDV or DV via firewire because they don't require 1:1 realtime transfers? Poor us!

 

[Digital Skunk]

Oh yes, whatever will we do? Use those high def AVCHD camcorders? The ones that transfer much faster than HDV or DV via firewire because they don't require 1:1 realtime transfers? Poor us!

Hmm. I got a nice full res HD camera that I use to capture at full 1080i (a gig per minute). Now I have to dump my footage.... better go on vacation while I wait for my slow @$$ USB (Unreliable & Slow Bu!!$h!t) connection to finish transferring my data.

And while I do that, I might as well hook up my USB hard drive and do a Time Machine backup since that will take twice as long!

Nothing wrong with being an average user, but don't mock those that actually NEED FW ports...... mmmmmKay?

 

[rezonat0r]

Hmm. I got a nice full res HD camera that I use to capture at full 1080i (a gig per minute). Now I have to dump my footage.... better go on vacation while I wait for my slow @$$ USB (Unreliable & Slow Bu!!$h!t) connection to finish transferring my data.

Most AVCHD cameras transfer faster than realtime. Dunno what's wrong with yours.

And while I do that, I might as well hook up my USB hard drive and do a Time Machine backup since that will take twice as long!

Dunno what's wrong with your drive either, but my little USB enclosure is quite fast.

Nothing wrong with being an average user, but don't mock those that actually NEED FW ports...... mmmmmKay?

Assume all you want, but I actually do use firewire for pro audio work. Unlike you, though, I don't make disingenuous complaints based on things I don't own and will never buy.

 

[Digital Skunk]

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The real sad part, besides your assumptions, is that you know nothing at all about video and technology... neither the USB interface.

Never said anything about transferring at real-time did I?

USB will be slower at transferring any data than FW400 or 800 especially if it's over a gig. This goes for HDDs and camcorders, or anything that is larger than a gig transferring large files. You little drive enclosure is no where near as fast as my little FW drive.

But since you use FW for pro audio work, I guess you know that....

Unlike you, I don't make smart@$$ remarks without knowing about what I am talking about at first.

 

[rezonat0r]

Never said anything about transferring at real-time did I?

Of course not, because that would involve real-world usage, and nullify your argument.

USB will be slower at transferring any data than FW400 or 800 especially if it's over a gig. This goes for HDDs and camcorders, or anything that is larger than a gig transferring large files.

Duh. Doesn't do you much good when the camcorder has no Firewire port though! I assume you've complained to all camera manufacturers making AVCHD cameras as much as you've complained here?

You little drive enclosure is no where near as fast as my little FW drive.

I think that may be the saddest thing posted to this forum in ages...

But since you use FW for pro audio work, I guess you know that....

Why the sarcasm? I'm well aware of Firewire's advantages in the audio realm.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Of course not, because that would involve real-world usage, and nullify your argument.

So why did you bring it up if I didn't mention it? I never said anything to the effect of "My HVX doesn't do realtime" but I didn't, so why bring it up? Unless you wanted me to say that FW would transfer even faster that USB.

Duh. Doesn't do you much good when the camcorder has no Firewire port though! I assume you've complained to all camera manufacturers making AVCHD cameras as much as you've complained here?

This is a pathetic post, because the AVCHD camera makers told Apple to take FW off of the MacBook...

And yeah, you don't get around the production industry much, which shouldn't be taken as an insult since i don't do much pro audio. But yes, my HVX does have FW, and so does the broadcast camera I use here and there. And even if they didn't, the decks that I use do, as well as the IOHD I would like to own one day.

I don't use AVCHD cameras, the one pro model that Panasonic does make does have USB, but I wouldn't use it since I get faster transfers from my express card slot or a FW card reader.... I hope this clears some things up.

I think that may be the saddest thing posted to this forum in ages...

No, there are worse, and the truth is mine isn't bad. It's very true whether you understand or acknowledge it at all. FW drives have faster throughput than USB. And eSATA is even faster.

Why the sarcasm? I'm well aware of Firewire's advantages in the audio realm.

Good, then stop berating me about my dislike of Apple's choice to include only USB on the MacBook/new ACD combo. There were plenty of audio users making the same complaint, and I didn't comment on them just because I didn't know of FW advantages in pro audio.

And yes, a MacBook can handle pro video just fine save for the lack of FW.

As an aside not, and to get back on topic, anytime functionality is taken away from a product, it's a bad thing. Not just updating specs with newer tech, I mean taking away features people us that are better than the ones that replaced or supplemented them.

 

[rezonat0r]

This is a pathetic post, because the AVCHD camera makers told Apple to take FW off of the MacBook...

My point is simply that AVCHD cameras allow faster than real-time transfer, unlike HDV or DV. So in terms of real world usage, the thing that happens to have the USB interface would usually finish dumping video faster than the thing that happens to have the Firewire interface. That says nothing about the maximum real-world bandwidth of either spec, though.

I don't use AVCHD cameras, the one pro model that Panasonic does make does have USB, but I wouldn't use it since I get faster transfers from my express card slot or a FW card reader.... I hope this clears some things up.

I'm pretty new to the AVCHD scene myself, but they will eventually replace HDV and DV, for better or worse, and they all seem to be USB. The thing is that AVCHD is a relatively new codec, and isn't nearly as optimized yet as HDV or DV... but I digress

FW drives have faster throughput than USB. And eSATA is even faster.

Absoutely, Firewire is faster and lower latency, on the order of 10-15%. I will point out, though, that there is a rather large variation in speed between USB devices, and that depends on the chipset. There are terrible USB drive enclosures, and rather fast ones. Firewire enclosures are much more consistent, because its a tighter spec due to the bus mastering nature of them.

I think we both need to be clamoring for the inclusion of eSATA on the next generation of Macs. Unfortunately, I doubt this will happen. USB3 is on the horizon, with a theoretical bandwidth exceeding SATA2 - but we know it won't meet this in the real world. Still, if it comes within 75% of maximum bandwidth like USB2, it will be a nice step forward. Too bad they left the absolutely craptastic USB connector unchanged.

And yes, a MacBook can handle pro video just fine save for the lack of FW.

Agreed, I'm very happy with the new Macbooks. I wish Apple had just gone all the way and made a 13" Macbook Pro. They are so close, except for a dedicated GPU and Firewire. And the Nvidia 9400M is pretty damn good to my eyes for a GPU. I leave gaming to my consoles, personally.

At this point, we should get together and smoke some of that skunk. Via Firewire, no less.

 

[Digital Skunk]

....At this point, we should get together and smoke some of that skunk. Via Firewire, no less.

Very true indeed brother. My night at the paper is finished and it would be a nice way to end the early morning...

I know your point about AVCHD, and it is my fault for not mentioning that the cameras I mentioned were tapeless. When transferring the files from then the FW port helps a lot.

Although, I still take the P2 cards out and transfer them through the express card slot.

Agreed about eSATA on both fronts. I doubt Apple will adopt it and it's a far better connection than USB and FW, which happen to fall out when you need them not too. I do hope USB3 and FW3200 make themselves available in the near future, sooner than my plans to get an eSATA express card hub.

I digress myself, as I come back to my usual indifference about certain things.

 

[Nickb]

so does anyone actually have any info when these are going to be available for purchase?

this is really starting to annoy me now as ive been waiting since the release of the macbook pro to get one - ive asked the apple store a few times when they expect to get stock and each time they say 'they dont tell us'

so looks like apple are going to miss the boat yet again

 

[sighlent]

I too have been waiting on the purchase of my MBP until the 24" LED Cinema Displays come out. I want to buy Apple Care to cover both purchases, but you can't do that unless both pieces of hardware are purchased at the same time. Apple doesn't let you pre-order the display either.

 

[brentsg]

so does anyone actually have any info when these are going to be available for purchase?

this is really starting to annoy me now as ive been waiting since the release of the macbook pro to get one - ive asked the apple store a few times when they expect to get stock and each time they say 'they dont tell us'

It is annoying. I am trying to work all day on my new MBP.... that I also waited for. I need more screen real estate but I don't want to deal with adapters and such.

 

[Nickb]

It is annoying. I am trying to work all day on my new MBP.... that I also waited for. I need more screen real estate but I don't want to deal with adapters and such.

im doing the same as you on the new MBP, its a brilliant piece of kit but it does need the screen to go with

whats really annoying is that many other companies will tell you the release date of a product, and give an option to pre-order, i know it different, but i buy alot of bluray films, most of which i pre-order as soon as they are announced. why dont apple do this, its not difficult to set a date is it surely

i love apple, and have done for many many years, but things like this do annoy me because they are pushing people away, they are making it quite difficult to believe in a brand when they dont deliver when they say they will

anyway we can go on as much as we like it will never change, we will just have to wait

 

[macbookairapple]

im doing the same as you on the new MBP, its a brilliant piece of kit but it does need the screen to go with

whats really annoying is that many other companies will tell you the release date of a product, and give an option to pre-order, i know it different, but i buy alot of bluray films, most of which i pre-order as soon as they are announced. why dont apple do this, its not difficult to set a date is it surely

i love apple, and have done for many many years, but things like this do annoy me because they are pushing people away, they are making it quite difficult to believe in a brand when they dont deliver when they say they will

anyway we can go on as much as we like it will never change, we will just have to wait

Please tell us when they said the product will be released, they didn't give any solid release date so therefore you got no point.

 

[rdowty]

They just said November. I was hoping it would be earlier.

With most companies when they say a product will ship in the first quarter they mean March 31st. I was hoping when Apple said November they didn't mean November 30th.

 

[MacEmu]

They just said November.

Which year?

 

[maverick808]

Looks like the online store is now allowing you to order this display.