YOu're in an awful big hurry to get a "Rev A" Apple product. Haven't learned the hard way yet, I'm guessing?
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YOu're in an awful big hurry to get a "Rev A" Apple product. Haven't learned the hard way yet, I'm guessing?
YOu're in an awful big hurry to get a "Rev A" Apple product. Haven't learned the hard way yet, I'm guessing?
Hah, if only. I bought an original (CoreDuo) 17" MBP, had 3 problems, was sent a brand new 2nd gen (C2D) after a year, had 3 problems, was sent a 4th gen (Penryn) after another year. Sold that one due to the screen buzzing... and now I'm on a "revision A" unibody Macbook that's perfect... finally.
I'm not sure the "rev A" theory ever applied to ACDs, but in my view an LED LCD is inherently different. Out of the box, you instantly know if there are any major defects or color shifts in the LCD panel itself. And the LED backlight should be extremely stable compared to a CCFL, meaning it should be more or less exactly the same brightness, uniformity and color temperature in 5+ years time.
Plus, there just aren't any other 24" IPS screens that are LED backlit even close to this price range (yet). The fact that it happens to be from Apple and double as a docking station is the icing on the cake for me.
Hah, if only. I bought an original (CoreDuo) 17" MBP, had 3 problems, was sent a brand new 2nd gen (C2D) after a year, had 3 problems, was sent a 4th gen (Penryn) after another year. Sold that one due to the screen buzzing... and now I'm on a "revision A" unibody Macbook that's perfect... finally.
I'm not sure the "rev A" theory ever applied to ACDs, but in my view an LED LCD is inherently different. Out of the box, you instantly know if there are any major defects or color shifts in the LCD panel itself. And the LED backlight should be extremely stable compared to a CCFL, meaning it should be more or less exactly the same brightness, uniformity and color temperature in 5+ years time.
Plus, there just aren't any other 24" IPS screens that are LED backlit even close to this price range (yet). The fact that it happens to be from Apple and double as a docking station is the icing on the cake for me.
I'd be more worried about the iSight, speakers, power system, etc etc etc
It has been all but confirmed the 24" Cinema uses the same 24" H-IPS panel used in the 24" iMac, that screen is sold by NEC (with a different antiglare coating) for about $1000. Those things kick any PVA/TN screen's ass at viewing angle, color quality (shocked?) and visible colors. Response time is a small price to pay for display quality!
That would be true for the 20" iMacs which have been known to use PVA and sometimes TN panels. Dell's only IPS displays nowadays are extremely expensive.
The cheapest S-IPS 24"er you can pick up is an HP that costs $600.
Dont count on it. I was thinking along the same lines, and hey I dont know why people whined and complained yo no end about "when are we getting the new ACDs" there was nothing wrong with the previous generation....
so now that the new book friendly ACD was out, I was looking at getting a 23" on the cheap. Well NO! they are not available new or refurbished on line. So I went down to my Apple store and the kid said the new ACDs are coming next month before Christmas and the "old" ACDs are NOT at discount.
Depends on the setting. Lots of lighting, especially sunlight makes for awful glare. An office with non direct lighting results in little to no glare.
Bose must be spoon feeing you their marketing bull crap. That is the funniest thing I've heard, I'd recommend a pair of $9 JVC Mushrooms over Bose pathetic attempt at an IEM, do yourself a favor and have a listen to anything else in that price range by a truly reputable audio company.
Are you sure its an NEC-made panel? The NEC 2490 (LCD2490WUXi to be exact) actually uses an LG panel, the LG-Philips LM240WU1. There is a slightly updated version of that panel which may be what is in the new 24" Apple. It is a fantastic panel nevertheless.
Correct, and then the slight steps up in cost from that are the LG 25.5" panels, used by the DoubleSight DS-265W and Planar PX2611W. But they tend to use B-grade or lower panels (meaning your chances of 1 or more dead/stuck pixels are high). The A-grades go to NEC's more expensive LCD2690WUXi.
Wish Apple would release this damn thing so we can learn more.
And the headache is...?
Gloss and glare are two separate things, and properly set up, there is no glare. If you are getting a headache due to the brightness of a "superbright" display, then again, you're talking about the coating and not just a glass panel. You need to adjust the brightness if that is the case.
http://www.sparkle.com.tw/News/DisplayPort/news_SP8800GT_Displayport_EN.html
Displayport ready 8800GT.
Anyways, I agree with some of the others. I see apple releasing a new breakaway cable for this monitor with DVI and usb attachments on it. Please, let this be true...
-Stell
Displayport ready 8800GT.
Anyways, I agree with some of the others. I see apple releasing a new breakaway cable for this monitor with DVI and usb attachments on it. Please, let this be true...
-Stell
http://www.sparkle.com.tw/News/DisplayPort/news_SP8800GT_Displayport_EN.html
Displayport ready 8800GT.
Anyways, I agree with some of the others. I see apple releasing a new breakaway cable for this monitor with DVI and usb attachments on it. Please, let this be true...
-Stell
When you say breakaway do you mean
(a) A separte cable that plugs into the screen replacing the existing cable
(b) a short adaptor set of cables that plug on the end of the existing cable
Does anyone know if the cable is detachable on the 24" LED Screen?
Edit: Looking at the gallery on the Apple website the cables do not seem to be on sockets.
I for one went with a third party ADC monitor thinking it would be single cable like my old Apple 17" Studio Display. Wrong! still had a power brick which plugged into the side of the ADC.
I kept it but now wish I hadn't and exchanged it for a DVI version. An upgrade to any new Mac H/W (now or future and even old G5) will require me to buy a new screen (or buy ADC adaptor - no chance).
If they go down the route of proprietary connector again my money will be elsewhere on a screen. Burnt once - not again.
Not gonna happen. It's DP only for the reasons I already mentioned. No HDMI, no DVI. Ever. Period.
I bet apple doesn't sell that many monitors. The ones they have are pretty expensive and I don't see too many MacBook or Mini owners spending as much for the monitor as they did their computer. Of course the iMac's have displays built in and the second monitor crowd there is probably also limited.
Still seems odd. When they announce the rest of the display line updates it may all make sense. It's on thing to have a single monitor posted as a notebook companion but doing so will all your new monitors and dropping the old models at the same time doesn't seem to make much sense.
Still seems odd. When they announce the rest of the display line updates it may all make sense. It's on thing to have a single monitor posted as a notebook companion but doing so will all your new monitors and dropping the old models at the same time doesn't seem to make much sense.
Not at all, considering the panel type. They are aimed at professionals and people that know/need the difference between TN and IPS. This new 24" will sell quite well, and help drive sales of their new notebooks at the same time.
More whining about In-Ears and iPhone below; safe to skip.
I've never used the headphones that shipped with my iPhone 3G because I like my music to sound good, with some bass too (Koss do just fine). But what I would appreciate in Apple headphones is the remote and the possibility to answer calls without hassle while listening to music. Of course I'd expect the sound to be decent too, with that price tag and all the hype.
So, anyway, I for one would be totally ready to give Apple the 79 they ask (yeah, the price here is equivalent to 100 USD currently - and still they blatantly point out price as the main breakthrough
) if only the In-Ears worked fully with iPhone. But if they prefer to make them incompatible, oh well, silly all-around.The Apple store near me had the new 24" LED display out last night when I went in there... so, yeah, they're definitely shipping now.
The good: appeared to be an IPS panel -- colors stayed true even from extreme angles. Don't quote me on that though. I went to the extreme sides, but not really extreme vertically, so it could be a PVA/MVA panel I suppose, though it definitely seemed like an IPS panel.
The bad: Aside from the obvious fact that its useless to anyone without a brand new notebook, the screen is INSANELY reflective -- at least under the Apple store's lighting. To try to minimize the reflection, you have to turn up the brightness to levels where blacks become completely washed out as darkish grays.
They definitely sold me... on a Dell 2408WFP. Oh, well. I wanted a monitor with multiple (and more usable) inputs anyway.
And they didn't have the new in-ear headsets yet.
The good: appeared to be an IPS panel -- colors stayed true even from extreme angles. Don't quote me on that though. I went to the extreme sides, but not really extreme vertically, so it could be a PVA/MVA panel I suppose, though it definitely seemed like an IPS panel.
The bad: Aside from the obvious fact that its useless to anyone without a brand new notebook, the screen is INSANELY reflective -- at least under the Apple store's lighting. To try to minimize the reflection, you have to turn up the brightness to levels where blacks become completely washed out as darkish grays.
They definitely sold me... on a Dell 2408WFP. Oh, well. I wanted a monitor with multiple (and more usable) inputs anyway.
And they didn't have the new in-ear headsets yet.
maybe dumb question (i'm catching up as fast as I can): Will the new In-ear Headphones, with mic, work on the new MacBook Pro for iChat, Skype, etc? AppleInsider seems to suggest so, but doesn't say specifically.
Nope, the stores have had preprod models for a while.
That would pretty much be absolute worst case. You can even see the glow from their lighting in the matte screens there. Either case is no where near a realistic use case.
Yikes, just know what you are getting yourself into. Horrendous input lag, crushed blacks, very sketchy QC... Dell needs to just save face and discontinue it, then make a 2409 that is what the 2408 should have been.
Who else makes 24" IPS LCD panels? Only LG, to my knowledge. There aren't that many options in IPS world.
To answer a question with another question is totally useless.
Everyone is trying to determine if in fact Apple is using IPS panels or not.
Many people make 24" panels so the question remains...
where is a link that confirms Apple is using "IPS panels" in the new 24" display?
They should. I'd bet money on it. That is if I still had money, given this economy. It has an extra wire in it to handle the audio-in. The new MBPs have a port that accepts it.
What about those who don't know what the difference between a TN and IPS is? I am new to the monitor scene and learning more and more. That's not to say I need an IPS. I can't really imagine when I would need it. I usually keep my computer room dark and don't do real work while at home.
What I do do (hehe do do) is work for graduate school. Nothing will ever be printed. A large chunk will be websites and the like. Lots and lots and lots of papers will be written.
I have a MBP because I wanted the "Cadillac" features and a good graphics card. (Been there, done that with integrated.) The reason I'd be in the market for a monitor is so I can have it like a docking station. I love speakers and everything else in this ACD. I wish they would have put an extra HD in there and did the audio through the mini-DP. Would have only needed to plug in two cables- maybe three with an extra HD in there.
So without the need for a IPS panel (Redundant?), why would I want this monitor? From a consumer standpoint, it's a nice expensive monitor. Really expensive. For professionals, it's a glossy good monitor worth the cost.
Being in the middle, I'm stuck. I want it. It looks very nice, but $900 or $800 with the student discount is a huge chunk of change. It's almost making me think of getting an iMac instead.
I am holding out on that iMac-like Docking Station we were talking about a little while ago. It seems to be the direction that Apple is going with the ACDs. I have my hopes going for a MWSF 09 launch or something after, but not too long after. For some reason, I would be willing to pony up the $900 for that. (Dumb wish, I know.)
What's the consumer or professional who does not need an IPS do?