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They will buy other displays. Right now the top of the list starts with NEC then goes to Eizo then LaCie who all use H-IPS panels and either pack colorimeters with their monitors or don't.

Eizo and LaCie are using S-PVA on 24" and 30" displays.

Well HP has some kick butt displays out right now; too bad they do not have one that is 30" and 2560x1600 though. But I feel my Pro level display money might end up going to HP now in the future. It certainly isn't going to go to Dell. LaCie and Eizo make some nice ones also.

-mark

HP have a 30" display (LP3065).

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking lately. I hope the new Mac Pro will still Have a DVI Port so I can get me a (not-) matching Samsung Display.

You can use all current displays with Mini DisplayPort via adapters.
 
You can use all current displays with Mini DisplayPort via adapters.

Thanks for pointing out the bloody obvious. It's 2008 and we still talk about adapters... And I don't have any use though for a glossy screen that could even turn out to use dithering to simulate the colorspace we took for granted for the last 15 Years.

No thanks. This is politics for the sake of a company. We should have moved beyond that by now I hoped.
 
Why EOL the 23"???
Because 23" panels have largely been phased out by Apple's suppliers, making them increasingly expensive to buy and without new hardware revisions planned, their specs will grow increasingly outdated.
And whilst it might have amazing picture quality justifying that price like the current displays, it has a glossy screen meaning Pros wont buy it. I wont get into a matte vs. glossy debate, but the bottom line is, pros want matte.
The bottom line is that pros want accurate, high quality displays. No real professional makes a disingenuous argument about their personal preference being a technical distinction.

Further, professionals, unlike the people who post on forums to perpetuate a glossy-matte battle, know that there is a difference between a high-gloss glass plate and the glossy panel coating used in "superbright" displays. Reducing the issue down to "it's shiny so it must have the coating" is misleading and wrong.
This display does not have a target market, other than the few pros who like glossy, and the consumer with more money than brains.
The Apple displays have never had a target market other than a portion of the professional sector and consumers with more money than brains.

Passing judgment in advance without any particular information is foolish. It likely will be encased in polished glass. It probably will not have the coating you people refer to as "glossy". It probably will not be the same panel as in the iMac. Any sort of comparison is entirely premature. The display might be a step down in quality and performance; it might equally be a big step up. There are some excellent 24" panels available where price is no object.
I hate that too.
1280 x 720 is better than PAL plus, but worse than "true" HD: 1920 x 1080
They're both "true" HD. Redefining standards with misguided statements like this only adds to consumer confusion. 720p, 1080i, and 1080p are all HD. When 2160p becomes commonplace, will you change your tune to say that 1080p isn't "true" HD?
Funny how a TV with 1280x720 is still HD though
Not at all. The HD standards embrace several different resolutions,
If you buy a HD TV you'll expect to be able to watch "full" HD (such a bad term... "full"). Many folks haven't got a clue what pixels are, and are so easily mislead in buying a "non-full" HD TV..
If they can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, can't read the difference clearly labeled on the information card, and can't be bothered to do even a cursory bit of research for a several hundred dollar purchase, then it's their own fault.

If you buy a TV, you expect to be able to watch HD content and be able to connect HD sources. The quality of your TV is your choice based on what you want to spend, just like the size. 1080p is not always a better choice, particularly for large rooms or small displays.
 
No volume control, but Sennheiser MM50's work well with the iPhone. They're basically CX300's but with mic & button that supports 2 presses=forward,3 presses=back etc. Love mine, can be found fairly cheap too if you shop around.
 
OMG .. I can't believe it!
What about the professionals?

Why are the new LED backlight 30" (or bigger) non-glossy screens?
I thought Mac is also perfect for designers?
 
I was reading this thread and went to look again at the old ACDs. I found this: "MacBook Pro compatibility: 17-inch model only" Can someone confirm to me that this is an adapter issue and not a more substantive issue? I need to buy a MacBook Pro and want a display too, but am discouraged by the feedback here (and information available) on the 24" ACD.
 
I was reading this thread and went to look again at the old ACDs. I found this: "MacBook Pro compatibility: 17-inch model only" Can someone confirm to me that this is an adapter issue and not a more substantive issue? I need to buy a MacBook Pro and want a display too, but am discouraged by the feedback here (and information available) on the 24" ACD.

The Unibody Macbooks are compatibles with any screens, just need an adaptor
 
Further, professionals, unlike the people who post on forums to perpetuate a glossy-matte battle, know that there is a difference between a high-gloss glass plate and the glossy panel coating used in "superbright" displays. Reducing the issue down to "it's shiny so it must have the coating" is misleading and wrong.

Yep, I used to think all glossy displays were the same (crushed blacks, exaggerated portions of the spectrum) but that just isn't the case. This display should be quite good, and I plan on using it for color critical work.

Would I buy a matte version if they offered one? Maybe. If it had too much grainy antiglare coating like the just discontinued 23", definitely not. At least with glass there is very little between you and the panel.

Apple has also updated the store saying "Ships: 7-10 business days" for the display. Still no Add to Cart button though :rolleyes:
 
I just spoke with the apple store on regent st, london and was told that they do not expect the displays until the end of November. Who knows how accurate that is since I was told last Friday to call today to ask for an update. I was there in person and was quite happy when the customer service guy told me they were in stock. Of course he came out from the stock room five minutes later shaking his head saying: sorry, the new system shows them in stock even though they're not.

I was also told to keep an eye on apple.com. I suppose I shouldn't be in such a hurry to part with cash.
 
The bottom line is that pros want accurate, high quality displays. No real professional makes a disingenuous argument about their personal preference being a technical distinction.

Further, professionals, unlike the people who post on forums to perpetuate a glossy-matte battle, know that there is a difference between a high-gloss glass plate and the glossy panel coating used in "superbright" displays. Reducing the issue down to "it's shiny so it must have the coating" is misleading and wrong.

The Apple displays have never had a target market other than a portion of the professional sector and consumers with more money than brains.

Passing judgment in advance without any particular information is foolish. It likely will be encased in polished glass. It probably will not have the coating you people refer to as "glossy". It probably will not be the same panel as in the iMac. Any sort of comparison is entirely premature. The display might be a step down in quality and performance; it might equally be a big step up. There are some excellent 24" panels available where price is no object.

Couldnt agree more. People seem to get themselves in a state over something that they havent even seen because they immediately stereotype the display as 'shiny = bad'. Go have a look at the things when they come out, it may turn out you're absolutely right and they're completely unusable for you yourself... but theres an equal chance that they'll be high quality, accurate pieces of equipment that would make a great and useful addition to your set up/workspace.
 
Given that I want to buy a "Decent(!?!)" 24" or maybe a 30" display, which I will be using as an amateur photographer with Aperture, a hobbyist Video editor (currently FCP3 which I will update!), and for Logic Pro, I am not TOO concerned about absolute colour accuracy (I know, I know, it doesn't exist!), AND I can't be bothered to wait for Apple to release new ACDs....

Could someone please recommend an example of a monitor that might fit the bill?

Not TOO expensive, as I can't justify the cost. This will be connected to my current G5 MP, although I am planning on replacing this with a lower end MacPro in a few months.


Any advice gratefully accepted!

PS I have used a friend's setup with Aperture and his 30" ACD which is rather nice, just I can't justify the cost.

PPS anybody tried the Samsung SM245B? I can get this for a good price in the UK.
 
Anyone else think that the mini display port will be just like the ADC all over again?

That is the only thing that I keep thinking. Why would they not just use hdmi? I am not up to date with all of the video stuff but like others have mentioned, it just seems as if this is a little early.

And why the heck does a laptop need its own display? I know that is a cool idea and all, but when the current displays have been out for ages, why dont they get the seniority of being revamped first before some new kid comes along. It is like that display is marketed as something you can take along with you when you travel bc it has all of the cables. Give the current one an update, grab some the cables you need (minus the firewire, if you are carrying around a new macbook..total bullcrap) and grab your charger and you are good to go.

I guess the good thing about this whole display port is that now I will be able to pick up a 23" or maybe even a 30" acd cheaper to hook up to my mbp. Woo-hoo!
 
Couldnt agree more. People seem to get themselves in a state over something that they havent even seen because they immediately stereotype the display as 'shiny = bad'. Go have a look at the things when they come out, it may turn out you're absolutely right and they're completely unusable for you yourself... but theres an equal chance that they'll be high quality, accurate pieces of equipment that would make a great and useful addition to your set up/workspace.

Have you actually looked at one? Glossy/glass screens, much like the iMac's current screens look pretty but they fatigue your eyes bc you have to fight glare. Yes, the colors look deeper and richer than matter screens but you can also see what is going on behind you.
 
Have you actually looked at one? Glossy/glass screens, much like the iMac's current screens look pretty but they fatigue your eyes bc you have to fight glare. Yes, the colors look deeper and richer than matter screens but you can also see what is going on behind you.

have u actually got an imac?? my bro got a new imac 24" and im playin regularly cod4 on it, there is almost no refelction & i can play w/o problem more than 4-5 h...
 
Too bad the 23" display is discontinued. I guess Apple only wants to sell 20" and 30" ACDs to MP and Mini users.
 
Eizo and LaCie are using S-PVA on 24" and 30" displays.

Which LaCie's are you talking about, some do and some don't. The ones that have been touted by pros as being worthy are the 320, 526 (although a stretched resolution) and the 321.

Although, I have noticed the new additions that do use S-PVA.

Too bad the 23" display is discontinued. I guess Apple only wants to sell 20" and 30" ACDs to MP and Mini users.

If I had a mini I wouldn't get a 23" for it, I'd just grab the better priced iMac. The MacPro on the other hand... yes... I hope Apple doesn't loose it's mind in terms of display's.
 
The compatibility chart does not list iPhone or iPhone 3G, but it lists iPod Touch. Grrrrrr. I hate the headphones that come with iPhone, but love the remote. And another thing... the standard headphones are cheap and wear out quick. I've spent nearly as much on replacements than the actual iPhone in the last year and a half.

Will the in Ears 'fully' work with the iPhone, volume control included???
 
The compatibility chart does not list iPhone or iPhone 3G, but it lists iPod Touch. Grrrrrr. I hate the headphones that come with iPhone, but love the remote. And another thing... the standard headphones are cheap and wear out quick. I've spent nearly as much on replacements than the actual iPhone in the last year and a half.

Once the first pair goes out, forget about it. There are other alternatives that will last much longer than the cheap ones that come with any iPod/Phone product. If I was an iPhone user, i'd just ditch the standard pair for ANYTHING else.
 
That is the only thing that I keep thinking. Why would they not just use hdmi?

Because going DP-only significantly reduces complexity and cost, and results in a thinner screen. This is probably the 3rd time I'm posting this, but oh well: http://displayport.org/simpler-setup/Direct-Drive.htm

Screw HDMI. The connector sucks and the licensing sucks. Too bad HDMI will be around for a while yet.

Oh, and the Apple Store is back to saying "Ships: November". WTF Apple? Get it sorted. WANT.
 
Because going DP-only significantly reduces complexity and cost, and results in a thinner screen. This is probably the 3rd time I'm posting this, but oh well: http://displayport.org/simpler-setup/Direct-Drive.htm

Screw HDMI. The connector sucks and the licensing sucks. Too bad HDMI will be around for a while yet.

Oh, and the Apple Store is back to saying "Ships: November". WTF Apple? Get it sorted. WANT.

Interesting that they are now claiming the mini displayport is a standard:

Connect via Mini DisplayPort.

The LED Cinema Display attaches to your new MacBook, MacBook Pro, or MacBook Air using the new industry-standard Mini DisplayPort connector. Other display connectors have you lining up pins or fumbling with screws. But the Mini DisplayPort connector is easy in, easy out.
 
Further, professionals, unlike the people who post on forums to perpetuate a glossy-matte battle, know that there is a difference between a high-gloss glass plate and the glossy panel coating used in "superbright" displays. Reducing the issue down to "it's shiny so it must have the coating" is misleading and wrong.

So will the glass plate ACD's give me only half a headache compared to the glossy panel coating?


Any type of gloss/glare, regardless of the technical configuration, is an automatic disqualification.
 
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