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There are many studies showing that iPhone owners experience various feelings when using their devices, much more than other devices. There is something that Apple has managed to achieve somehow. I believe it is the great build quality. It's like using a jewelry. It's a positive, great feeling and it happens mostly subconsciously.
The M8 wakes similar feelings. I wish it had ios though.

I don't see the 5C as having great build quality, and most people use cases on 5S and M8 as they are too slippery and you can't sit them down without getting scratches ( i had both).
 
Gone since iOS 7.1 installation ....

Not for me or any of the ones I tried at the Apple store. :) It hasn't improved one bit. The only improvement is the crashing has been virtually eliminated.

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I've already demonstrated with several YouTube videos I personally made you can keep several contents rich tabs AND this forum open at the same time and nothing is reloaded.

I find that extremely hard to believe. Since the Air has been out I have never tested one that didn't reload.
 
  • For pictures, I exported albums from Aperture and then copied them to my M8. New pictures taken with the M8 will get uploaded to Dropbox. I import them then manually to Aperture. This is not ideal, but I can live with it

Couldn't you do something like get Aperture to auto-publish albums to a web-based photo service (e.g. Flickr) and then you have access these albums on your phone via the app for that web-based photo service? This would at least get rid of one need for connecting your phone to your Mac.

I've never used aperture but I would imagine it would have a function to auto-publish selected albums to the web.
 
I read, but it doesn't matter.
He is having and he's going to have buyer 's remorse.
This happen to every user accustomed to apple ecosystem. It doesn't matter how good the droid is, it still is a droid. The os is improved (I'm an android user after all, with four device in my home and one I'm using every single day, the nexus 7), it is good ..... but still less polished and refined than iOS.
I like the M8 very much, really, but I couldn't make it my primary smartphone.

You speak for all apple ecosystem user's now? I've seen you write some off the wall statements before but this is one of the the better ones.

You sure as hell don't speak for me and I don't agree with the majority of your biased one-sided comments.
 
But having to spend time searching for a 3rd party app to do this backup/restore task (which I feel should really be handled by the OS or Google) is a massive nuisance (compared to iOS/iCloud).

Furthermore, I haven't found a 3rd party app to do the key thing I want: Save a list of all apps & home screen shortcuts, and on the new phone automate installation of these apps from play store and setting up home screen shortcuts.

There is a simple select/unselect box which you can use and google will backup and restore your apps and *some* settings when you switch device. you simply have to sign on using the same gmail account. look for this option in the settings category. this can be done irrespective of the device brand. this will automate reinstallation of previously used apps.

lets say you get a major brand (sony, htc, motorola,samsung etc). they typically include backup/restore functionality on the device without using third party app. in addition they also provide PC software that can also handle your backup restore.

the benefit of using a simple app from play store is that, it frees you from using a pc to restore.

regarding home screen shortcuts, as you know there are many "launchers" on android. if you goto the settings of that launcher, you can easily restore app shortcuts and everything else for that launcher. so you have to use the same launcher in the new device if you want to have it restored.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jrummy.app.manager

try Jrummy's "ultimate backup pro" (free and paid $1.50 app). excellent utility. rooting is NOT required but if it is, you get some additional features. this could handle many things you've mentioned.
 
There is a simple select/unselect box which you can use and google will backup and restore your apps and *some* settings when you switch device. you simply have to sign on using the same gmail account. look for this option in the settings category. this can be done irrespective of the device brand. this will automate reinstallation of previously used apps.

lets say you get a major brand (sony, htc, motorola,samsung etc). they typically include backup/restore functionality on the device without using third party app. in addition they also provide PC software that can also handle your backup restore.

the benefit of using a simple app from play store is that, it frees you from using a pc to restore.

regarding home screen shortcuts, as you know there are many "launchers" on android. if you goto the settings of that launcher, you can easily restore app shortcuts and everything else for that launcher. so you have to use the same launcher in the new device if you want to have it restored.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jrummy.app.manager

try Jrummy's "ultimate backup pro" (free and paid $1.50 app). excellent utility. rooting is NOT required but if it is, you get some additional features. this could handle many things you've mentioned.

The situation is a joke really. Compare that to icloud backup and restore. I have tried many of the methods you mentioned, but unless you root your device there is no way for a complete 1:1 backup of your device. Yes, Google will restore your apps but not their data. It will not even restore all OS settings. This is just unacceptable
 
Rooting is required to fully backup an Android device. Simply ridiculous.

Rooting is required to copy stuff to the SD card to any directory..

AirDroid I have and like very much..

NO and NO.

Have you installed any file manager on your device yet? Try "ES File explorer". You can use any other if you want, but the point is you can copy stuffs back and forth between sd card/built-in storage from any pc/mac, simply plug it in or connect using Airdroid. this is very basic and very important feature on android. this allows you to use your storage in any way you want, you can dump any file on the phone and have a copy with you. very ios unlike. and because of this, you can also share any type of file on andriod using email, bluetooth, nfc etc. ever wonder why you can only attach photos on ios email?

please see post above regarding backup/restore. once again, no rooting is necessary for restore. you can choose what/how to restore backup.
 
NO and NO.

Have you installed any file manager on your device yet? Try "ES File explorer". You can use any other if you want, but the point is you can copy stuffs back and forth between sd card/built-in storage from any pc/mac, simply plug it in or connect using Airdroid. this is very basic and very important feature on android. this allows you to use your storage in any way you want, you can dump any file on the phone and have a copy with you. very ios unlike. and because of this, you can also share any type of file on andriod using email, bluetooth, nfc etc. ever wonder why you can only attach photos on ios email?

please see post above regarding backup/restore. once again, no rooting is necessary for restore. you can choose what/how to restore backup.

I am sorry but I don't agree. In Android there is no way to restore a device exactly as it was before, by just clicking once, just like ios. First you have to restore apps, by logging into your Google account. After the apps have been configured you can use a file explorer to restore your files that you manually backed up somewhere. What about application and OS settings? How do I restore my power management settings for example? How do I restore my accounts configuration?
How do I restore my Widgets if I am using the standard launcher? Having to root in order to do that shows how immature this OS really is.
It doesn't bother me as much, as most of my stuff is saved in the cloud, but I can imagine others would freak out. This is a major disadvantage and Google needs to get it right
 
Understand Completely

I was there. I switched out my iPhone 5 for a Galaxy S5. I almost went back to the iPhone a couple of times because I was an iPhone user. I did commit to at least use Android for a year before making the switch. I knew that if I just used the 14 day trial, I would run back to my iPhone (which if I hated Android I would have done). First, thankfully ATT allows me to do this with the Next 12 plan, terrible idea otherwise, but for my purposes it fits perfectly.

iMessage, Facetime, all are native iOS apps that to be honest, I hardly used, your experience may vary.

Unless you know for sure that you hate it, and you sound like you don't, then at least wait until the new iPhone comes and swap out then. You are already going to lose money on the HTC, you will lose money on the 5S, at least keep the M8 and try it for awhile, the worst thing that can happen is that you are "stuck" with a terrific phone for six months.
 
I am sorry but I don't agree. In Android there is no way to restore a device exactly as it was before, by just clicking once, just like ios. First you have to restore apps, by logging into your Google account. After the apps have been configured you can use a file explorer to restore your files that you manually backed up somewhere. What about application and OS settings? How do I restore my power management settings for example? How do I restore my accounts configuration?
How do I restore my Widgets if I am using the standard launcher? Having to root in order to do that shows how immature this OS really is.
It doesn't bother me as much, as most of my stuff is saved in the cloud, but I can imagine others would freak out. This is a major disadvantage and Google needs to get it right

Yea what you are looking for is a nandroid backup, which does indeed do all those things, including the ability to downgrade the OS itself.

I hear you and it is true. I would blame manufacturer skins and/or carrier lockdown for googles inability to get a robust backup and restore solution going.

Manufacturer skins can completely change integral functions like system settings etc.. And carriers (namely Verizon and att) would likely not be thrilled if their customers could downgrade to exploitable versions to root and get things like free tethering. They want the situation apple has going, where you can never downgrade your device.
. Call android immature if you want, though it's easy for me to dismiss because I have nandroid backups.

Someguydude pointed out another good point about why android backups have to be different below too.

The funny part is I NEVER restore from my backups on ios. Always end up setting up as new for any ios updates I end up taking. (Jailbreak is more important to me than updates)
 
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Good for you--doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist, only that you are able to create a specific example of where it doesn't happen to you. YouTube is full of examples demonstrating this problem, including this one that I just created knowing that you'll continue to deny the problem exists without evidence to the contrary (and you'll still probably try to continue to deny it exists, claiming I fabricated the entire thing).

YouTube: video

That's awful! None of my Android devices don't even do that, I would throw an iPad out the window if it did that!
 
I am making the big test now. I got an iPhone 5S and I am now restoring my latest iCloud backup (one click to restore everything..)
I want to see how it feels to be using iOS after 25 days Android. Tonight I will make my final decision.
Whatever that is, the HTC One M8 is an amazing device and is at least as good as the iPhone, in terms of hardware quality. As a Mac user I like the tight integration of my Macs with iOS, so this is definitely an advantage of iOS for me.

I am really torn apart..
 
There are many studies showing that iPhone owners experience various feelings when using their devices, much more than other devices. There is something that Apple has managed to achieve somehow. I believe it is the great build quality. It's like using a jewelry. It's a positive, great feeling and it happens mostly subconsciously.
The M8 wakes similar feelings. I wish it had ios though.

It has nothing to do with the build of the device and everything to do with "omg it's an iPhone". If you swapped the exact hardware of the m8 and the 5s, the iPhone would still elicit those feelings from people.

EDIT: also, by the way, the reason Google handles its backups differently (if you get a new device it re-downloads all of your apps and re-syncs all of your contacts) is because with the ten million Android devices out there you can't simply take the exact files from device A and put them on device B. If you installed everything on your Galaxy S3 and then bought a Note 3, using an actual backup file would cause a mess of FCs and errors.

It'd be like thinking you can just put your hard drive into any laptop and it'll work. They're working with contingencies.
 
It has nothing to do with the build of the device and everything to do with "omg it's an iPhone". If you swapped the exact hardware of the m8 and the 5s, the iPhone would still elicit those feelings from people.

EDIT: also, by the way, the reason Google handles its backups differently (if you get a new device it re-downloads all of your apps and re-syncs all of your contacts) is because with the ten million Android devices out there you can't simply take the exact files from device A and put them on device B. If you installed everything on your Galaxy S3 and then bought a Note 3, using an actual backup file would cause a mess of FCs and errors.

It'd be like thinking you can just put your hard drive into any laptop and it'll work. They're working with contingencies.

No, there are studies where people had their eyes blindfolded and used devices. Only the iPhone caused these kind of emotional reactions.

12 months ago the German TV station, ARD made one study, with the help of a big university here in Germany. The results were astounding..
http://stadt-bremerhaven.de/berliner-forscher-gehirn-reagiert-aussergewoehnlich-auf-apple-produkte/
 
No, there are studies where people had their eyes blindfolded and used devices. Only the iPhone caused these kind of emotional reactions.

They were blindfolded--so how exactly did they use these devices?

If these studies are claiming that iPhone are the preferred smartphone of the blind because of it's superior accessibility features, then that's one thing. Otherwise...;)
 
They were blindfolded--so how exactly did they use these devices?

If these studies are claiming that iPhone are the preferred smartphone of the blind because of it's superior accessibility features, then that's one thing. Otherwise...;)

The study was about holding the devices, not using their software :)
 
No, there are studies where people had their eyes blindfolded and used devices. Only the iPhone caused these kind of emotional reactions.

12 months ago the German TV station, ARD made one study, with the help of a big university here in Germany. The results were astounding..
http://stadt-bremerhaven.de/berliner-forscher-gehirn-reagiert-aussergewoehnlich-auf-apple-produkte/

Oh I see.

Well then I suppose Apple has the "holding your device while blindfolded" market wrapped up. I'll stick with focusing on what's happening on the screen.
 
The first thing I noticed using an iPhone again, is that the screen is so much better on the iPhone 5S. Color accuracy is top, and I value that a lot.
This was actually one of the main reasons I didn't keep the iPad Mini Retina..Color saturation was not good.

The HTC has definitely a very good screen, but the iPhone is better on that department.
Going in and out of apps all the time seems very repetitive and now I see the value of widgets on Android. I miss the Blinkfeed also quite a lot, and Flipboard is not as good as Blinkfeed (but close).
What I didn't expect to say, is that the Mail app I use on Android is much better than the stock iOS one. I use Nine, and it is really great...
The build quality of the iPhone is of course excellent, and as I wrote, the screen quality top. I still haven't decided
 
The study was about holding the devices, not using their software :)

oh well that settles that then! The iPhone is the best because when your blind folded it feels the best... :rolleyes:

That means absolutely nothing, give the same people an iPhone and then a Tag Heuer phone and see what they say.

Anyway petvas.... seriously mate this is only a choice YOU can make, you've flipped between one and the other so much now, keep both if you can't decide? I don't think anyone here is going to be able to help you decide.
 
oh well that settles that then! The iPhone is the best because when your blind folded it feels the best... :rolleyes:

That means absolutely nothing, give the same people an iPhone and then a Tag Heuer phone and see what they say.

Anyway petvas.... seriously mate this is only a choice YOU can make, you've flipped between one and the other so much now, keep both if you can't decide? I don't think anyone here is going to be able to help you decide.

I know that only I can make this choice..:)
I would keep both but I need the money, so one of the devices has to go back. If it is going to be the M8, then this has to be done by tomorrow, otherwise the return window closes..
 
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