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3D Printed Head Fools Android Face Recognition, iPhone X 'Impenetrable'
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Really?
As a Dane, I know one single European (Italian) who’s using WhatsApp - and that’s only when traveling to the Americas. I know a few non-iPhone users though - probably one in 20 or 30 if not fewer - yet most of those have an iPhone for work and some of them an iPad...
We use FB Messenger a lot though - as much or more than regular texting, except from the car as CarPlay integration is still missing (as opposed to regular text and WhatsApp).
When texting, the iPhone clearly shows who’s on iMessage (blue phone number, blue bubbles) and who’s not (green ditto). It’s annoying trying to group chat with people when one is not on iMessage, though, as everyone will receive the text as a private message. Apple should leave only the non-iMessagers out and combine the rest in group chat.
You don’t use your phone to take pictures the ..?
FaceId doesn’t store your picture, it trains a neural network to recognize you. Like pictures of people are not stored in your head; the ability to recognize them is.
you completely missed the point. i'm saying that they set up the demo to show that the iPhone unlocks with the mask using the PIN beforehand. normally, you can't unlock with the mask. get it?
anyone who uses a security feature that can be defeated simply by pointing the phone at your face or pressing your finger on it doesn't really care about security
It's all about the balance between security and convenience. People still care about security, and Face/TouchID are secure enough for most.
Eww fingers ? You must be one of those people who have yet to try something but will base all decisions on zero experience lol
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I don’t care bout security then/
Dropbox integration is brilliant on my Macs and Android phone. There's a lot to be said for not being tied to iOS or Android, hence it is better in the long term it's better to use, say, Dropbox, your own domain name for emails, a notes facility such as OneNote, a different email provider, a cross platform app such as WhatsApp for messages (especially now iOS market share is falling all the time) etc etc. That way you're not stuck with iOS (or Android to some extent). You'll only regret being tied in. A much better way of achieving good integration.
Nope, that’s integral to neural networks, you can’t deduce information from them - only train yourself to communicate with them and vice versa
Same with the brain; you can’t transplant part of a brain and transfer memories in that manner...
There are some great YouTube videos explaining how neural networks don’t contain legible information
If you were to crack the security surrounding the Enclave and transfer the whole device with the neural network to another phone, you might be able to retain its ability to recognize you, but if someone were to do that with your phone I suppose you have other issues to worry about
Well, it’s half a truth of cause... Simple, shallow networks are easier to back engineer whereas deep networks get too complex. Maybe we’ll figure out some general approach in the future, even enabling us to decipher the brain
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Exactly. You have nothing to worry about.
These kinds of experiments are more of a "proof of concept" rather than an actual real-world threat. Here's why...
The author, Thomas, was involved at every step. He was invited into the camera-dome to have his face expertly captured by a team of 3D scanning professionals. Then a few days later... after the 3D model was printed... he returned to the experiment so his real face could be registered for facial-recognition on all the phones.
I bet you, too, could have your phone unlocked with a 3D model if you cooperated with the plan. (if you use one of those Android phones)
Otherwise... it would be nearly impossible to accomplish this if they just found your phone on the ground... without your involvement.
This reminds me of the Chaos Computer Club fingerprint hacking when TouchID was first introduced. Everyone lost their minds saying "See? Fingerprints are insecure!!!"
But let's not forget that they were in a controlled environment with unlimited time and unlimited retries. I'd love to know how many attempts they made to get a working fingerprint.
Again... the phone's owner was involved. He was there to reset TouchID when their fake fingerprints failed.
The biggest problem with these hacks is... time.
Let's say they somehow obtained your phone and got an accurate 3D model of your face or fingerprint without your involvement.
Well... none of that means anything if the phone requires a passcode after 8 hours!
Or if your phone asks for a passcode after 5 incorrect attempts!
So yeah... cool experiment... but unlikely to ever happen in the real world.
[doublepost=1545040211][/doublepost]Ethan Hunt, “Hold my beer.”
Forbes recently challenged a variety of smartphone face-recognition systems with a 3d printed head modeled after the author's head.
The final model took a few days to generate at the cost of just over £300. With it, the author tested it out against four Android smartphones and the iPhone X. All Android phones tested were able to be unlocked with the fake 3d printed head.The Android phones tested included the LG G7 ThinQ, Samsung S9, Samsung Note 8 and OnePlus 6.
It's been long known that many implementations of facial recognition amongst Android phones have been less secure than Apple's Face ID system. Some of those face recognition systems have been fooled with simple photographs. Apple's Face ID, however, also includes IR depth mapping and attention awareness technology. The attention awareness alone may be enough to explain the inability for a static 3d printed head to unlock the iPhone X. That said, the iPhone X's Face ID has been fooled in the past with more sophisticated printed 3d heads.
Article Link: 3D Printed Head Fools Android Face Recognition, iPhone X 'Impenetrable'
Face ID is fantastic, especially on the Xs Max. Android loves to copy these kind of Apple features: they scrambled to copy Touch ID properly back in 2013-14 and they're trying desperately to implement a solution that even comes close to the complexity of Face ID.
The notch is justified when it comes the iPhone because Face ID has proven to be secure, reliable, and fast enough to be used as a unique authentication method. Meanwhile, on Android you have Samsung restricting Samsung Pay to fingerprint only (and Iris scanning, IIRC) because they do not trust their face unlock to be as secure.
Apple continues to lead the way in innovation despite many critics and elements of the media claiming otherwise. Face ID and UI gestures beg to differ. I have used many Android devices this year and they do not come close to the fluidity of the X/Xs/Xr gestures. Let alone something much more technologically advanced as Face ID.
The notch is justified when it comes the iPhone because Face ID has proven to be secure, reliable, and fast enough to be used as a unique authentication method. Meanwhile, on Android you have Samsung restricting Samsung Pay to fingerprint only (and Iris scanning, IIRC) because they do not trust their face unlock to be as secure.
Apple continues to lead the way in innovation despite many critics and elements of the media claiming otherwise. Face ID and UI gestures beg to differ. I have used many Android devices this year and they do not come close to the fluidity of the X/Xs/Xr gestures. Let alone something much more technologically advanced as Face ID.
Facial recognition was on android for years before Face ID came out...
Also the iris scanner on Samsung phones can be used for Samsung pay
Then there is the mate 20 pro which already has a Face ID equivalent (uses the same technology).
I’ve never tried them but many of the third party launchers on android have custom guestures. Have done for many years before the iPhone came out.
Face ID (and Touch ID, for that matter) is fantastic since stealing your data has never been easier. All it takes is catching you in a dark alley and making you look in the camera. Or the government officials making you look into the camera. Easy as pie, and you can't charge them with violence afterwards - after all, no physical harm done to you, right?
No wonder governments around the world are so happy about this "impenetrable" security.
No wonder governments around the world are so happy about this "impenetrable" security.
Facial recognition on Android was trash before Face ID and it still continues to lag behind except for the Mate 20 Pro.
It's not about who does it first, it's about who does it better. Same for custom gestures. Why do you think OnePlus copied the gestures of the iPhone X?
well you quoted a lot of ADVANTAGES, haha
only thing i would miss is imessages - no idea why google is so weak on that spot
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thats our brave new world. media contructs a completely useless scenario to show the impenetrable iphone. reality is like you side - oh myyy ... now i begin knowing how our grandparents felt about us, haha
I never said what android had first was any good but they aren’t copying the iPhone when they had it first.
I’ve never used the custom guestures on android launchers but I’ve heard they are quite good
One man's "integrated eco-system" is another man's "vendor lock-in". Just pointing out that every "feature" also has down sides.
Yes, they are! Basic facial recognition and Face ID are not the same thing. The technology the latter uses is far more advanced and Apple spent millions on R&D which is why you only have one phone in the entire Android ecosystem which has a Face ID equivalent.
Much more preferable (for me at least) to have one security authentication that works great then several mediocre ones.
Touch ID really shines, especially on the new iPad pro.
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