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3G iPhone preview at WWDC, Release July 11 - Who, When Where, What, Why & how much

corrado7 said:
And engadget also said that the 3g will be black and we know what happened to that rumor. [see front page]

Im not denying it, just saying that engadget has inconsistencies.
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Well, not everyone has reread the article =- Engadget is saying they just added a stock photo with the story, the picture shown wasn't an actual photo, but the nearest thing they had to hand. They messed up by not making that clear.
"P.S. -Image via iPod Observer, MacRumors points out it's probably just a case (which we'd likely agree with); we're not by any means claiming the image above is the new iPhone, just an example of what it could look like given the info we received"


In other news, Endgadget's Commercial Times is saying Han Hai, aa Foxconn is ramping up 3G iPhone assembly "by the end of May". This may well be a rehash of previous news (it's been in stories, and prior to that there was clear indication from Infineon's Earnings call as written about here).


Hon Hai were already seen to be "in talks" with Apple late last month (28th March) to have secured it by 30th March etc.

A preivous Commercial Times story:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/15/hon-hai-cops-to-iphone-contract/
 
alielizadubois said:
I know that this has probably been asked already, but can anyone predict whether the release will be early June, late June?

Also, upon release, do they generally sell out very quickly?

My concern is that I am getting the iphone for many reasons, one of which is that I am going to be going to Asia for 5 weeks at the end of July. I will be very upset if the phone does, indeed, come out before I leave, but it sells out, or if it doesn't come out at all before my departure.

So... any predictions??
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The 3G iPhone will hit the shelves by beginning of July. Announcement will be earlier.
 
Compile 'em all said:
The 3G iPhone will hit the shelves by beginning of July. Announcement will be earlier.
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Care to pic a tuesday? :)
Announcement/release dates:

April 22 T -7 weeks
April 29 T -6 weeks
May 6 T -5 weeks
May 13 T -4 weeks
May 20 T -3 weeks
May 27 T -2 weeks
June 3 T-1 week
June 9/10 (Keynote)
 
johnnyjibbs said:
I think the 3G iPhone will be released in June.

Engadget seems to think that 3 million units will be available by end of May:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/28/foxconn-wins-3g-iphone-contract-3-million-units-shipping-in-jun/

What's interesting is that I'm still getting plenty of O2 banner ads throughout MacRumors saying that the 8GB current model is available for £169 (the £100 discount promotion), although clicking on the link confirms that the 8GB is now sold out and they offer only the 16GB version for £329. Bargain!! :rolleyes:

I'm deperately waiting now for the goodies of the 3G version. 3G is a given. GPS would be nice. I know my wait for an iPhone will have finally been worth it :)
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It's 3 million in June, not May from the article: "is ramping up 3G iPhone assembly by "the end of May" to ship 3 million units in June". This fits in with ramp up in May, with high production rates come June.

In terms of the 8Gb - it's got EOL all over itself. I think Carphone Warehouse and O2 shot themselves in the foot a bit - they sold out all there stock too fast by dropping the price so low (which is good for the buyers). Now they've only got any stock re-ups with the head office strategising whether it's worth buying a large order now, with 3G iPhones imminent. Europe doesn't get the grey market sales like the US does.

Foxconn
I missed this this morning, but see the significance now:
[EDIT:] They're going to sell much more than 10 million a year. It's the expectation of selling 20-25 million units of the new 3G device Han Hai is involved in producing within the product’s lifecycle.

In other news: Spore Creature Creator will be available from 17 June, 2008 from EA. A Tuesday. A week or a week and a day after Steve's keynote. Make of that what you will ;)

Edit: iMacs are out. Nice black Apple logo. Up to 3 Ghz. Didn't take that long, did it? ;)So that leaves:
iPod classic, iPod nano, Mac mini, LCDs & iPhone to be updated. I wonder if Jobs is going to introduce touchscreen classics and nanos? It's not impossible :) (And wouldn't the mac mini do well if it had a stackable form factor with the AppleTV?). In terms of LCDs - have no idea why the long wait...

http://www.apple.com/imac/design/ - a great example of Apple's subtle use of iPhone style UI not on the iPhone - the top left hand close window style for example.
http://www.apple.com/imac/features/ shows it also.
 
I think now that the Foxconn info is page 1 (digitimes.com ~= commercial times online), it bears repeating:

They're going to make 3 million of the next generation iPhone in June 2008.
They've sold, to date, over 12 months ~4 million.

Anyone still thinks these handsets are going to be held in storage for a season?
Apple is confident of reaching the 10 million target. See Post on Earnings call.
The sales from January to June, plus the 3 million 3G handsets producted, if all sold would get Apple over halfway to its target. The intention from the figure of 25 million over the lifetime (possibly a year, or slightly longer) indicates internal estimates of sales are much bigger than expected. Apple may not touch 10 million - they are aiming to smash that. A calculation:

The number of months June -> December
___________________________________ x 25 million = Conservative 3G Handset sales for 2008.
Total production run size of 24-25 million
throughout the life-cycle of the device.


- If you estimate that Apple will update in 12 months time, you get 6/12 x 25 million = 12.5 million of 3G handsets.
Add the sales to date Jan->June and you have Total iPhone handset sales in 2008 of >15 million.

- If you estimate Apple will have a production run of this product of 18 months, total iPhone 3G handset sales in 2008 estimated = 8.3 million. Add the sales to date Jan->June and you still have >10 million for 2008.


In other news:
- A hunt for an updated O2 3G coverage map.
what i can find on the O2 page]
Unfortunately, O2's customer service won't give a UK coverage map for 3G/HSDPA:

"I'm sorry current we can only check with the postcode of the customer for coverage in that area. Please contact our network coverage team for more information. Please dial 100 from your mobile phone and they'll be in a better position to tell you about the total UK map for the 3G and HSDPA coverage."
"I hope you'll find this information useful. If there's anything else we can do for you, please reply to this email."
<snip> Kind regards, XXXX XXXXX O2 Customer Service."

http://www.webmap.o2.co.uk/

- Older news, but bears thinking about again - how is data going to be managed? They screwed up with the 3G bids, and initially, priced data way too high. So how are networks going to get people to pay?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/09/o2_speed_limits/
- The programe yesterday in the UK on phones - It costs more to get data per Mb from the Hubble telescope, than per Mb of texts. It's one stream of revenue that's almost all profit. Which doesn't bode well if O2 and other Apple network partners have that mindset.
Dispatches, on channel 4
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/the+mobile+phone+ripoff/2081247 worth a re-watch


With this in mind, the reason why the cost of texts is so high bears in mind - there isn't competition. By Apple going non-exclusive, it's introducing competition at a time when it's most needed for the consumer, both for the differing 3G coverage, and also the rate at which the different networks will charge for data.

O2 has at least launched a HSDPA USB modem. So they're getting ready for some 3G iPhone data carnage.
http://www.itweek.co.uk/itweek/news/2214648/o2-launches-hsdpa-usb-modem


Looking at other threads:
Areas of interest -

- Will there be iPhones without 3g, or a way to not use 3G.
>Not likely, but not impossible - there's a Disable EDGE function through Bossprefs. Whether you will be able to through a non-jailbroken phone is another matter.

- Jailbroken phones - what happens come June
> it's not really been discussed but there will become a market to relock phones possibly.

- What will be the resale value of 8Gb and 16Gb iPhones (locked, and unlocked)?
> My guess 150, 200 locked; 180 230 unlocked. It's highly dependent on perceived value of the new 3G iPhones

- Will the 3G iPhones work on other networks and use their 3G?
>It's an open question. It's given that in non-exclusive contracts in countries that haven't got iPhone deals yet, they're likely to

e.g Canada, Australia, Belgium, Italy, India, China....

- Will a SIM card from the same network operator, that's pay and go work?
>?

- What's the future of Apple and iPhones and iPods
> Wifi on iPods, Touchscreens on nanos, kick-ass iPhones.

- How much will Apple cover in it's update with the 3G iPhone?
> Some but not all. With so much available potential in terms of applications, it might be not giving the consumer every hardware add o

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock News/1445938/

- Data rates? Will the Apple partner networks give competitive rates in comparison to other providers? e.g. O2 was shocking up until the iPhone coming out (and still isn't competitive).

- Touch owners to pay for the 2.0 Software?
Most probably

- iLife and how iLife 09 will link in with the iPhone?
iLife 08 contains: iPhoto iMovie .Mac Web Gallery GarageBand iWeb iDVD
iMove may easily be rejigged / have a iPhone app counterpart to allow easy video recording. .Mac integration might be brought more to the fore also.
And I imagine the screams at iMovie might bring in a time line at some point, with some better audio editing too...
Previous iLifes (iLife, 04, 05, 06 were all at macWorld Conference, 08 was in August 07). So Jobs might bring out iLife 09 come WWDC.

I'd hope that the "skimming" technology comes to the iPhone
http://money.uk.msn.com/investing/articles/morecommentary/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8170197


International Apple network partners

It almost seems like the US, UK and Canada (which now has Rogers) are being screwed over more than latecomers, by having exclusive contracts with O2 in UK for example.

Apple is going to come aggresively into the worldwide market this year.

Bloomberg
"Apple Inc., which plans to start selling its iPhone in Latin America, is reconsidering a strategy of offering the device only through exclusive franchises, Cinco Dias reported, citing unidentified people familiar with the situation.
The company may offer the handheld device through various phone companies in the same country, breaking with the practice used in Europe, the Spanish daily newspaper said. "

Good old dailies: From March's worldofapple
Cinco Dias - Spain gets it as soon as May? But the source is Gartner? Didn't they backtrack last time?
El Universal - Mexico claims Apple plans a June iPhone launch. translated

Cinco dias's Latin American claim
 
wildcardd said:
Here's my prediction:

Announcements the week of the 6th for an event the week of the 13th.

The week of May 13 seems to be lining up quite nicely. I don't know if it will actually be a Tuesday, but sometime that week we will see something.
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I still feel this may be the case. I have been debating in my head whether Apple is going to announce the updates at WWDC. It just makes sense to announce before WWDC so they can focus the event on software (2.0).

This would also generate more buzz for WWDC if this were announced a few weeks before the event.

All this news of Canada, Italy, etc. still lines up nicely with my prediction.

Maybe it is just my anticipation and my hatred of my free Nokia phone that I really really want an announcement sooner.
 
wildcardd said:
I still feel this may be the case. I have been debating in my head whether Apple is going to announce the updates at WWDC. It just makes sense to announce before WWDC so they can focus the event on software (2.0).

This would also generate more buzz for WWDC if this were announced a few weeks before the event.

All this news of Canada, Italy, etc. still lines up nicely with my prediction.

Maybe it is just my anticipation and my hatred of my free Nokia phone that I really really want an announcement sooner.
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No I actually agree with this too. In fact I could even see an invite going out as soon as this week for an event next week to announce the new iPhone (note: I think they will announce it and show it's features, but I dont' think it will go onsale until the end of the month).

Apple can't have an event to announce the iPhone that is too close to WWDC, though. I think that a month buffer between 2 events is reasonable (for example, Macworld and the SDK announcement were just over a month apart). So my guess is invite goes out before this Friday, an event sometime next week, and the release before WWDC.

However, if we don't hear anything by the end of next week it will be too close to WWDC, and it will have to wait until then.

God I hope it is sooner. I feel like a little kid before christmas!
 
u guys are killing me (actully appreciate the update ;) )

I am dieing to dump my blackberry and turn away from the dark side....

I already switched from firefix to safari so the ipone can sync my bookmarks (so i have been told)

my only concern is that on day one there will be an ample supply so everyone can get one...

whats even worse than the anticpation of when its comming out, is to have it come out and not be able to get one...
 
iPhone 2.0

Hey guys. Rumors have been circulating for a while about a new iPhone, supposed to be unveiled at the WWDC, and go on sale in June. What do you think Steve and co will have changed? I for one, think that 3G is a definite addition - people can't go without it for much longer. There is the possibility of a price drop as well. Of course it will be thinner as well. But since Apple really stressed the "Wireless" when they unveiled the MacBook Air in January, I think that Apple may introduce something intirely new. The could very well eliminate all cables, and allow you to sync your iPhone directly with your Mac or PC without the need for a 30 pin dock connector. Of course the one flaw in this theory is charging. Ah well.
 
Lord Sam said:
Hey guys. Rumors have been circulating for a while about a new iPhone, supposed to be unveiled at the WWDC, and go on sale in June. What do you think Steve and co will have changed? I for one, think that 3G is a definite addition - people can't go without it for much longer. There is the possibility of a price drop as well. Of course it will be thinner as well. But since Apple really stressed the "Wireless" when they unveiled the MacBook Air in January, I think that Apple may introduce something intirely new. The could very well eliminate all cables, and allow you to sync your iPhone directly with your Mac or PC without the need for a 30 pin dock connector. Of course the one flaw in this theory is charging. Ah well.
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If rumors are true, it won't be thinner, but slightly thicker.
 
Lord Sam said:
Hey guys. Rumors have been circulating for a while about a new iPhone, supposed to be unveiled at the WWDC, and go on sale in June. What do you think Steve and co will have changed? I for one, think that 3G is a definite addition - people can't go without it for much longer. There is the possibility of a price drop as well. Of course it will be thinner as well. But since Apple really stressed the "Wireless" when they unveiled the MacBook Air in January, I think that Apple may introduce something intirely new. The could very well eliminate all cables, and allow you to sync your iPhone directly with your Mac or PC without the need for a 30 pin dock connector. Of course the one flaw in this theory is charging. Ah well.
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I've heard there's a new version of Safari that makes you post in one of the many threads already available instead of creating a new one.
 
Sky Blue said:
I've heard there's a new version of Safari that makes you post in one of the many threads already available instead of creating a new one.
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does it make my toast adn coffee also, while using gps to find me the peanut butter?

i mean, isnt that whateveryone wants the new oen to do.. everything :rolleyes:
 
Lord Sam said:
Hey guys. Rumors have been circulating for a while about a new iPhone, supposed to be unveiled at the WWDC, and go on sale in June. What do you think Steve and co will have changed? I for one, think that 3G is a definite addition - people can't go without it for much longer. There is the possibility of a price drop as well. Of course it will be thinner as well. But since Apple really stressed the "Wireless" when they unveiled the MacBook Air in January, I think that Apple may introduce something intirely new. The could very well eliminate all cables, and allow you to sync your iPhone directly with your Mac or PC without the need for a 30 pin dock connector. Of course the one flaw in this theory is charging. Ah well.
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Actually Steve has been fired and the company is going under because they were not fast enough to get out the 3G and wouldnt tell anyone what other nifty changes were on it and that he was overcharging and putting the proceeds in his pockett :rolleyes:
 
SFC Archer said:
Actually Steve has been fired and the company is going under because they were not fast enough to get out the 3G and wouldnt tell anyone what other nifty changes were on it and that he was overcharging and putting the proceeds in his pockett :rolleyes:
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Well duh, but they covered it up and that's why Apples stock has increased by 60 bucks a share over the last month or so.
 
I heard the new iPhone was going to be a chip they put in your head? This not true? :rolleyes:
 
On a serious note, regarding your theory about a completely wireless iPhone, I believe apple has some patents out for wireless charging as well. It is possible...
 
walnuts said:
On a serious note, regarding your theory about a completely wireless iPhone, I believe apple has some patents out for wireless charging as well. It is possible...
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If my electric toothbrush can charge wirelessly, I'm sure they can figure out a way for an iPhone to do so! ;)
 
All Apple products that Ihave seen look good. I don't want black plastic, but if they must, I guess they'll make it look good. I was hoping for glass/chrome/brushed metal-aluminum
 
wildcardd said:
I still feel this may be the case. I have been debating in my head whether Apple is going to announce the updates at WWDC. It just makes sense to announce before WWDC so they can focus the event on software (2.0).
This would also generate more buzz for WWDC if this were announced a few weeks before the event.

All this news of Canada, Italy, etc. still lines up nicely with my prediction.

Maybe it is just my anticipation and my hatred of my free Nokia phone that I really really want an announcement sooner.
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Apple gets more buzz by spreading it out, but to be honest, there's a decent amount of build up through a well orchestrated planned and normal leaking of information as we build up to an official announcement.

I think I just want to go back and reemphasise the enormity of the production Foxconn is going to have - 3 million 3G iPhones just for June
If they are ramping up in May, if they make 200,000 by June 9th, they could release come the keynote. And they could announce prior to WWDC. They can play either way (and allows them flexibility, if things get delayed).

iMacs have been updated. I'd expect maybe some silent bumps of the nano and Classic iPod maybe, then a shocker come late 08 (touch screens perhaps).

3G iPhone handset shape

Previous reports said that the iPhone which contains GPS (if there are multiple versions, there may just be one, so all 3G iPhones have GPS) was going to be slightly thicker (iPod Observer).
Appleinsider
says otherwise: They go from Taiwan Economic News ( a cracking read...) who cite sources in the supply chain.

They say it'll be lighter (110-120g vs 158g) due to a plastic case rather than a Al-Mg case & more compact than current models
There will also be better energy efficiency and smarter externals (a decent headphone jack i imagine).


It also explains where the mysterious shrinking screen size rumor came from - it wasn't digitimes but this one:
Economic News states:

"LCD screen on the phone measures 2.8 inches diagonally, a downsize from first generation`s 3.5 inches."

???
Other tidbits: "Materials for an initial build of 300,000 units [up from 200,000]are reportedly due in Foxconn's manufacturing facilities by the end of next month, with a secondary build of 3 million units to take place in June."

I call bogus on the screen, unless they're either
- making a 2 screen phone (one both sides)
- making a nano model

If they'd said that there was 300,000 2.8 inch diagnonal screens, we'd have something to go on. So this could easily be a bogus (Plus it'd fark the SDK developers (who should know better, but would still be thinking the screen dimensions could only go up...))

I'd imagine equal thickness or thinner (same thing they'd done with iPod).
I'd also imagine that it'd be aluminium magnesium. Plastic would chip, and look tacky (but useful for demo models).

CNN is saying that "according to a person familiar with the [AT&T strategy] ...the new iPhone will be 2.5 mm thinner than the 11.7 mm original."

http://techland.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/04/29/att-to-cut-the-price-of-apples-new-iphone/

More coals for the 3G iPhone fire...
 
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