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For you to digest t0mat0

I am still sticking with my Apple Announcement the week of the 12th! :D

Already digested - see the previous page But you got something I missed: They are down for a mid May announcement. That's a big find potentially :D

I wonder if other carriers are going to line up for a Mid May announcement. Might be worth talking to your local Apple related carrier (e.g. O2) as some people will already know of an announcement rough date/something going on if the carriers are going to announce then


Cheers for the heads up - May 12th it is for you :)
 
do you guys think they will drop the price of the iphone lineup anytime soon?

It's all relative. Apple won't drop them much - they'll probably just Kansas City shuffle them - all drop a price point e.g. 16GB becomes 8GB price point.
In terms of carriers- you'll probably see subsidies, in exchange for contracts. It's all about seeing what it'll cost you over a fixed length of time e.g. 12 months or 18 months if you're looking at a contract.

iPhone

I think it's fair to say the iPhone doesn't have the latest and greatest in all hardware areas. But it can be said of this: from a recent Seth Weintraub:the iPhone has a very usable browser, it has a easy to use camera too, showing up as the most popular mobile camera to upload pictures onto Flikr.
I'd imagine Apple will do the same to the mobile phone video upload area too come June.

Just as an aside to this: Check out the index - https://forums.macrumors.com/index.php

The iPhone forum section is pulling some serious thread and posting numbers!
(As an aside - give us a shout out lurkers - Macrumors is saying there have been 30,000 odd hits to this thread - so say hello :) )

Oh, if only we got the full analyst reports
CNN We get the scraps...

Analyst: Touchscreen MacBook 3-5 years away

Gene Munster, Piper Jaffray’s chief Apple analyst, on Thursday reported to clients regarding 15 “unanswered questions” about Apple’s Mac, iPod, iPhone and retail businesses. (Probably to time in with the Q10).

Munster touched on multi-touch and struck out a gambit, saying that eventually gesture controls from the iPhone, MacBook Air, MBP, will work their way from MacBook’s trackpad, where they currently reside, to the backlit screen, for “a more dynamic user interface for the Mac.”

I'm not so sure (see the patents on having a much expanded multitouch pad area, I think the link is a few posts up).

Ultimately we expect Apple to develop a full touch-screen MacBook, although not until the technology has fully matured over the next 3-5 years.

I think Apple will suprise us on this one. For now, the iPhone will expand the customer base that is used to multi-touch, and help learn the cross-over gestures that they can use on laptops and desktops.

In other news, it looks like Apple has shown that there's money in them there Download video hills. Apple TV will hopefully get a big boost http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/01/apples-new-deal-with-hollywood-death-of-the-dvd/
In short, they've actually tried releasing video on demand at the same time as DVD rental, and found the profit margin is better, it has a net positive effect DVD rentals may not be harmed that much, with sales potentially able to increase.
http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/05/01/same.day.itunes.dvd/
How does this affect iPhone? It helps get a iTunes portal to easily watch VOD rentals on them.
 

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Just to follow up on the wildCardd's find in the article:

Joseph Hanlon from CNET.com.au got back to me in an email (so it's not on the record and don't quote me on this):

His understanding is that Apple is still very much in control of this deal,
and while Optus will announce its intention to sell the iPhone mid-May
they may not know at that time exactly what they will be selling in
terms of hardware specs.

Considering they won't be alone in selling the iPhone the first
announcement he believes is Optus' way of gaining a bit of market traction, and he seriously expects the other carriers with the iPhone to make
announcements in the same week.

I think we all agree that Apple will let anyone pinch the limelight on the
next big announcement.

UK has a bonus
Good old Ofcom. It's like a lumbering sloth. it's been stirred into action, and so O2 have finally met minimum targets for 3G rollout (80% of the UK's population ) meaning it misses out on a £30 odd million fine come July if had missed it (they would have had 4 months lopped off their 3G licence). A bit late to the party, in comparison to the other 4 authorised carriers for 3G in the UK. But then they're exclusive with Apple, so that's why we care...

Note - 9to5mac - this doesn't = "O2 prepares for 3G iPhone" really.
The annoying thing? They can't be bothered to give consumers a UK wide map of 3G coverage. Maybe an email higher up the chain will do the trick.

Canada kinda has a bonus

Rogers will carry the Nokia N95 8GB. The first provider in North America to officially stock it and take advantage of the its 3G support
(Rogers has "VISION" two-way video calling service, a music store and video streaming services).
It gets Rogers' $7 monthly unlimited data browsing plan from May 6th. Selling at $400 with a 3-year contract. When did Europe have the N95? - 2007?


Movies
Those same-day movies -a loss leader (like iTunes). Interesting.
(Apple has a new deal with movie studios to offer downloadable movies via iTunes the same day as the movies are released on DVD. Analysis by WSJ - Currently Apple is buying movies wholesale at ~$16, charging $14.99 for them.
The movie industries are realising what Jobs and his band at the end said - you make it easier and better to do something legally than illegally, and you get sales.

3G - Battery life issues
How is Apple going to get 3G in a phone, and still have battery life? Wifi...


Wild weekend rumour
Rogers is showing what Apple has up its sleeve - they're coming out with iPhone that GAN- it will be able to do calling from Wi-Fi access points and seamlessly bridge to the cellular phone network and back to avoid interrupting calls.

"The Generic Access Network (GAN) was formerly known as Unlicensed Mobile Access (UMA), until it was adopted by the 3GPP in April 2005. It describes a telecommunication system allowing seamless roaming and handover between local area networks and wide area networks using the same dual-mode mobile phone."

"It lets mobile operators deliver voice, data and IMS/SIP (IP Multimedia Subsystem/Session Initiation Protocol) applications to mobile phones on local networks. Its ultimate goal is the convergence of mobile, fixed and Internet telephony (Fixed Mobile Convergence).

"On the cellular network, the mobile handset is communicating over the air with a base station, through a base station controller, to servers in the core network of the carrier. Under the GAN system, when the handset detects a LAN, it establishes a secure IP connection through a gateway to a server called a GAN Controller (GANC) on the carrier’s network. The GANC translates the signals coming from the handset to make it appear to be coming from another base station. Thus, when a mobile moves from a GSM to a Wifi network, it appears to the core network as if it is simply on a different base station.

GAN was developed as UMA by the Unlicensed Mobile Access Consortium (UMAC) and is now part of the 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) specification TS 43.318 (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlicensed_Mobile_Access)."

17-year old develops multi-touch interface for Mac

iFon anyone?

Google apps for iPhone. Cool
 
The second biggest mystery, aside from the iPhone 3G release thread...is when does t0mat0 sleep. I know you are in the UK, but man...you seem to post around the clock!
 
For the how much part , the iphone 3g is now rumoured to be costing just 199$ . I personally dont beleive it !!
 
For the how much part , the iphone 3g is now rumoured to be costing just 199$ . I personally dont beleive it !!

Useful to provide the link ;)

[edit: 2 Paragraphs below are a quote (though I may have amended slightly in a sleep state. My bad. It was already there if i'd be awake]

AT&T, the exclusive sales partner of Apple in the US, announced it will be selling the upcoming 3G iPhone for $199. Yes, AT&T is preparing to subsidize $200 of the cost of the new iPhone but theres a catch.

Customers who want the $199 3G iPhone will have to compulsorily sign up for a two year contract with AT&T. You will have to pay the $399 unit price for 8GB and $499 for 16GB if you want your network under Verizon Wireless, T-Mobile, or Sprint.

Blackberry 3G handset delayed
"Sources speaking to Fortune are suggesting that BlackBerry maker RIM may be employing delay tactics with the debut of its much-rumoured new handset so as to avoid launching the device at the same time as Apple's 3G iPhone hits the market.

The smartphone, that has been leaked as the "9000" is now said to be named the BlackBerry 8900 and dubbed the "Meteor", will offer fast 3G connectivity and a redesigned user interface.

The phone, supposedly to launch first in the States with iPhone operator AT&T has reportedly had its release pushed back from June - when the 3G iPhone is strongly rumoured to launch - to as far as August.

The official reason is said to be technical issues with call quality concerns but those in the know say this is a "cover for more strategic motives" with RIM and AT&T not wanting to go head-to-head launch-wise with the second-gen iPhone."

12th May - Wildcardd day - WiMax announcement

Comcast is reportedly placing its chips on WiMax to help it stand out amongst competitors in the cellular and satellite industries, and that the service could launch as soon as next week. According to CNN Money, the communications giant is currently in talks with Sprint, Clearwire, Intel, and Google to provide a nationwide mobile broadband partner network which would allow it to compete on even ground with companies such as AT&T, Verizon, EchoStar, and DirecTV.

The move would help each company involved take advantage of next-generation wireless technology, while cutting overall costs to a minimum for all involved. Comcast could be in trouble when it comes to financing, since the company has spent the last few years performing massive overhauls on its cable network, and would further go into debt with the new venture. Comcast executives said: "We are going to be very disciplined in our capital structures, and do things that make a lot of sense."

Comcast claims over 14.1 million internet subscribers in the US, and hopes to enhance these numbers with WiMax, saying that the company has "hired some folks to help us in our wireless thinking."

cough Apple & WiMax, 802.21, and 801.11y

If it was a week Tuesday, then they might announce Monday (The January keynote invite to the media was posted on a Monday, for 8 days later on a Tuesday). Could be a bump of some kit this Tuesday at least-

We only have 5 Tuesdays left till the keynote and if it's a special event, they usually give a week's notice.


iPhone dev program opened worldwide
Developers from UK and other places have been accepted. Nice to see they're at least getting round to that us non-USians.
 
Useful to provide the link ;)

AT&T, the exclusive sales partner of Apple in the US, announced it will be selling the upcoming 3G iPhone for $199. Yes, AT&T is preparing to subsidize $200 of the cost of the new iPhone but theres a catch.

Customers who want the $199 3G iPhone will have to compulsorily sign up for a two year contract with AT&T. You will have to pay the $399 unit price for 8GB and $499 for 16GB if you want your network under Verizon Wireless, T-Mobile, or Sprint.

Where has AT&T officially announced the subsidy? I'd like to see that.
 
Useful to provide the link ;)

AT&T, the exclusive sales partner of Apple in the US, announced it will be selling the upcoming 3G iPhone for $199. Yes, AT&T is preparing to subsidize $200 of the cost of the new iPhone but theres a catch.

Customers who want the $199 3G iPhone will have to compulsorily sign up for a two year contract with AT&T. You will have to pay the $399 unit price for 8GB and $499 for 16GB if you want your network under Verizon Wireless, T-Mobile, or Sprint.

So are you saying that I could pay $200 extra to use it on Verizon?? The only thing keeping me from getting an iPhone now is our contract with Verizon and their impeccable service around here. A little clarification would be greatly appreciated.
 
So are you saying that I could pay $200 extra to use it on Verizon?? The only thing keeping me from getting an iPhone now is our contract with Verizon and their impeccable service around here. A little clarification would be greatly appreciated.

I read that blog bost, and it's just bs. Looked like whoever wrote it was just blabbing out all of the rumors as facts.

So, no the iPhone will NOT work with Verizon. They don't have a GSM network.
 
I read that blog bost, and it's just bs. Looked like whoever wrote it was just blabbing out all of the rumors as facts.

So, no the iPhone will NOT work with Verizon. They don't have a GSM network.


http://gizmodo.com/385429/atts-3g-iphone-is-199-this-summer


"According to Fortune"
But

Update: It looks like Scott Moritz is the same guy who made predictions before that didn't come true. He comes from thestreet.com, who, via Jim Cramer, made the prediction that the iPhone would get 1.5 years of free service. The rumor sounds less credible to us now.

Engadget:

According to Fortune, AT&T will subsidize the cost of the new, 3G iPhone by as much as $200, bringing the price within the $199 range. Apparently, a "person familiar with the strategy" claims that the provider will create this bargain bonanza for customers signing new, two-year contracts. Of course, the author of the story also says that the new phones will be available in "8-gigabit-memory and... 16-gigabit-memory" versions (for $399 and $499, respectively), so take that as you like. In addition to these discounts, the source says the new iPhone will be 2.5mm thinner than the previous iteration, although we understand that right after telling Fortune this information, the "person" burst into a cloud of rainbow-colored sparkles and went flying off into the night sky.
:D
 
12th May - Wildcardd day - WiMax announcement
Awwww..t0mat0, I am touched. You made a holiday for me ;)

Although technically, it should be Wildcardd Week. I think the announcement event could happen anytime that week.

We will see if my hunch is true by next week. Announcements usually go out a week before.
 
Fair does. We might even know on Monday. (for the 12th). Would well make more than just a day.
 
http://uk.gizmodo.com/2008/05/02/dual_phone_for_when_one_mobile.html

What’s better – or worse – than two mobile phones? Why two mobile phones in one device, of course. Meet the WND Wind DUO 2200, the Siamese Twins of mobile phones.

Flip it over and there’s a phone face on each side – twin displays, twin SIMs, twin keypads and even twin 2MP digital cameras. It’s a tri-band phone boasting 180 hours of standby time ‘under optimum conditions’, which probably means Bluetooth disabled, one phone off and no one calling the other one.

hehe - In an iPhone form, this would stop the whole - physical button keyboard versus touch screen keyboard argument...
Just have the 2.8inch screen on one side, with the RIM style keyboard.... :rolleyes:


HTC Touch Diamond

No release date given (Fall in US probably), but it's said to be scheduled for a press event for this Monday (launch of the Diamond, Touch Pro, Touch Find. Newsmobile with the leaked shots.

Touchscreen phone, built-in 4GB storage, 3.2-megapixel camera, front video camera Probably 7.2Mbps 3G Internet support, 640x480 screen, Windows Mobile 6.1, FM radio, Wi-Fi. microSD card slot
 

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The HTCs may not be iPhones, but (as I said several pages ago) these WM phones can be customized and upgraded by the user.

What I mean, for those of you who do not have one, is the actual operating system can be tweaked an reflashed onto the device. There is something called a "Kitchen" that contains an updated OS and programs that is used to create a ROM, which is then flashed to the device.

For example, the HTC Touch and Titan (Sprint Mogul) came with GPS disabled. The expert "Chefs" then created a Kitchen with a ROM allowing GPS. This was way before the carriers provided an update. Verizon still has not released an update.

I know the iPhone also comes with updates, but you know they are at Steve's choosing and Apple is very controlling.

I am not bashing Apple and will probably get a 3G iPhone, but after years of using WM and tweaking phones, this new Diamond with a VGA screen will make my decision much harder.

Just my thoughts and opinion.

Please, no bashing.
 
For example, the HTC Touch and Titan (Sprint Mogul) came with GPS disabled. The expert "Chefs" then created a Kitchen with a ROM allowing GPS. This was way before the carriers provided an update. Verizon still has not released an update. <snip> I am not bashing Apple and will probably get a 3G iPhone, but after years of using WM and tweaking phones, this new Diamond with a VGA screen will make my decision much harder. Just my thoughts and opinion. Please, no bashing.

I think something similar happened with the N95- it gave it much better GPS. people worked out how to get the upgrade even if it wasn't offered by their carrier. No bashing :) I think Steve is about to make you're decision easier ;)

Sidenote: A McGyver film is being discussed. How cool is that?


O2
Oh O2. We hope you ain't going to be a pain regarding 3G. They've reached the Ofcom minimum of 80% of the UK population, which is good if you're in a suburb or city. Casting an eye back on some pretty recent stories regarding O2 on theregister.co.uk:

O2 describes its 3G network as a "high speed network", but gives no numbers. Clever. 3G connection speeds are highly variable - 384Kb/s is the technical limit of 3G technology, without resorting to HSPDA. However, some O2 customers were seeing a cap of 128Kb/s.

8th April
So El Reg gets a call from O2 April 8th.
The Register had been investigating their "allocated bandwidth", so O2 PR was getting ready what to say, and then to call Bill Ray from The Register .Except the PR department had accidentally dialled him, whilst still discussing what to tell Bill Ray.

The caller didn't respond to The Register greeting them down the phone, so they listen to what was being discussed at PR quarters at O2.

2 in-house PRs were discussing how to paint those wanting more bandwidth than the 128Kb/sec O2 deems suitable as clearly being "a bunch of techie nerds". Of course, these are communications professionals, so they wisely discussed how to avoid using that term, or as they put it, find "...a good way of saying they're all geeks". They decided against simple email statement saying : "I think I'm going to call him as well. I'm not scared of Bill Ray."

9th April http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/09/o2_speed_limits/
O2 has admitted that its 3G customers were limited to 128Kb/s connections, with business users being automatically upgraded to 384Kb/s if they are deemed to warrant it.

O2 provides data speeds of 128Kb/s as standard to all 3G customers. Profiles of corporate customers who require higher speeds are modified so that they can benefit from speeds of 384Kb/s.
- O2 to Bill Ray. How you get upgraded wasn't specified by O2. No mention of how they decide at this point either. Isn't the case on the other 4 3G carriers - they all go up to 384Kb/s for everyone (dependent on network coverage and local environment of course).

O2 updated Bill to say that customers get the speed they ask for, and those who find themselves capped at 128Kb/sec must be on a "lower-than-normal" tariff. O2 gave an example of a "lower-than-normal" tariff being a high-end handset paying less than £35 a month (minimum for O2 iPhone is £35 monthly). So apparently anyone on a £20-a-month contract is really asking for 128Kb/sec, everyone one else should be able to go faster - otherwise be sure to let O2 know.

15th April
O2 admitted a week later, that it had been capping speeds for its 3G customers, but claimed that this was all down to a "provisioning error" rather than a deliberate policy of profiling its subscriber base.
Except this flies in the face of their position a week ago, when it rationalised its lower than industry standard speeds in terms of "user profiles", "industry norms" and "bandwidth allocations".

Apparently all that was just a bit of internal confusion. So Bill printed their latest statement:
The vast majority of our 3G customers are able to access the internet on their mobile device at speeds of up to 384 KBps or typically up to 1.3 MBps if they have an HSDPA-enabled device. The O2 network is fully HSDPA-enabled and we will be further increasing the maximum speeds available on HSDPA throughout the year, up to 7.2 MBps.

Because of a provisioning error, which came to our attention last week, a small proportion of our 3G customers have not been getting these higher speeds. We apologise to those customers who were affected. The issue is simple to fix and we will be doing so this week. If customers still have problems after that, they should call O2 in the normal way.

From http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370086&page=12

1) They use KBps rather than Kb/s. I'll let others discuss the significance of O2 using bytes per second value and Bill using bits per second.
2) It looks like they will be bringing in faster HSDPA speeds and to more areas.

O2 seemed to have ironed out the problem pretty effectively by the 18th April.
So - will O2 have a sub £35 a month rate come July? Will they do a £25 EDGE plan, £35,45,55 HSDPA plans?


I don't care who you use, as long as they're not complete muppets


HTC
Anyone think Apple is harsh enough to piss on HTC's parade this Tuesday? The only reason being, if Apple has an event for the 12th, they might send out invites on the Monday (a Bank Holiday here). An announcement come June 9/10 looks more likely, but we'll know in a day I guess.
 
<straight face>News just in of a photo of a possible iPhone 2.0 model o.0 </straight face>
 

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<straight face>News just in of a photo of a possible iPhone 2.0 model o.0 </straight face>

lol, only you t0mat0, only you... :D Can you imagine using that as a phone?

[Pick it up, bringing the speaker to your ear] Other person: Hello!

[Move your face all the way to the bottom] You: Hey Jim, how's it hanging?

So on and so forth... I would SOOO buy that. :rolleyes:
 
lol, only you t0mat0, only you... :D Can you imagine using that as a phone?

[Pick it up, bringing the speaker to your ear] Other person: Hello!

[Move your face all the way to the bottom] You: Hey Jim, how's it hanging?

So on and so forth... I would SOOO buy that. :rolleyes:

Handsfree. It'd be kinda cool as a Touch surface for a shop demo though :)

"Your HTC is cool? Oh, but my iPhone plays Bluray at native resolution..."

Maybe it's the Dom Joly model? ;)

Speaking of phones - anyone seen the phone joke that happened on Dublin Zoo?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/25/dublin_zoo/
 

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T-Mobile Austria announces UMTS iPhone

Today T-Mobile Austria announced in an pressconference that the UMTS iPhone will be soon available in Austria.

Austria will be one of the first receiving countries of the 3G phone and will provide a "test-market" for the next gen apple phone


(german)
http://derstandard.at/?id=3325657
 
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