3G iPhone preview at WWDC, Release July 11 - Who, When Where, What, Why & how much

[t0mat0]

More cunning than a fox with a Masters in cunning...

A thought for a Sunday morning:

http://www.apple.com/itunes/starbucks/

In the UK, O2 - the network partner with Apple, has partnered with "The Cloud" to provide access to >7,500 public Wi-Fi hotspots an Apple iPhone user can use.
The US has the potential of a sly "The Cloud" equivalent potentially - Remember the the news of the Starbucks-Apple Music Store love-in announced ~September 2007?

But...

Seeing as they are rolling it out now, you'd think they'd be pretty ready come June. As of September 2007, there were ~6,000 wifi enabled stores. The company hopes to expand the Music Store ability through 2008, with all wifi stores completed by 2009 (an estimate from last year, they may be ahead of schedule).

The Apps Store comes in June. So Starbucks will get both users wanting to browse on wifi for music, but also those EDGE iPhone users might pop in to browse the App Store (and maybe the general internet if they open it up truly like "The Cloud" in the UK). Oh, and they'll probably order a coffee. maybe a little snackerel. Ka-ching.

The Music Store's layout - Features, Top Tens, Search and Downloads smacks of the upcoming Apps Store. Automatic syncing. Songs downloaded from the wifi Store are added to a playlist called "downloads". Apple has and is known for repeating the user interface across its products, training people up unknowingly to use their other products with ease. So their website incorporates features from iTunes, iPods, laptops etc. Currently, when the wifi enabled iPod/iPhone gets near a Starbucks, a button automatically appears on the display, showing what the current playing song is at that Starbucks, which can be purchased, and also showing the last 10 songs.


Anyone think Apple has a wifi point deal for general browsing on iPhones with Starbucks to be announced in June for the US?
FAQ: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1691?viewlocale=en_US

Sidenote: http://www.theflip.com/ For anyone thinking Apple hasn't had an eye on video apps - I think it's just taken them a while to integrate video apps with the iPhone and the Apple application (Final Cut Pro, iMovie, iDVD etc). The flip is a big challenger in the video cam market currently - it's a best seller. And the thing is, it ain't all that - it doesn't have an amazing resolution, or memory (Up to 2GB, 60 minutes recording).

What it does have is a low price point, useable features, is great at low light video recording, 3 seconds from powerup to record. One button recording, runs on AA batteries.

http://www.theflip.com/products_flip_ultra_specs.II.shtml

So maybe Starbucks has a spot regarding the Music Store, the Apps Store link too, and if video is linked - there is definitely going to be some link to Youtube, and presumably the iLife suite, and also maybe to give some love it streams to an Apple TV.

Anyone think of other links Apple's going to suprise us with?

 

[t0mat0]

Dear Steve

If you thought the deliberations on hardware was overambitious or demanding, have you checked out https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/322785/ ?

A list is below (I updated from a post of mine on page 14 or so) showing the features requested so far. Some hardware requests are sprinkled in, in bold. It sounds like a problem for either Jim'll Fix It, or the A(pple)-Team.

I could imagine they are *very* glad the coding tools are being passed to developers to free them up from making apps.


- CUT AND PASTE
- FLASH
- 802.1x support for enterprise WiFi (SDK)
- Removable battery (not going to happen)
- Back button
- GPS (play nice with Bluetooth GPS receivers)
- Haptic feedback
- Leopard speech to text, text to speech
- Camera update to do video
- More landscape mode in other apps (e.g. SMS,email)
- iChat, IM, (SDK)
- mp3 ringtones
- Charging animation
- eWallet like app for private info (better password)
- Voice dialing
- Voice recorder
- Voice digit dialing
- MMS
- Unified email box
- Better video support
- Changeable Alert tones
- Make more files syncable
- Make notes syncable
- Louder sound
- Data detector
- eReader
- Better headphone jack...
- Themes
- .com and international suffix button on keyboard
- Home screen customisation
- Better battery life support (e.g. quick on/off wifi)
- Call duration of recents
- Groups
- Microsoft Activesync support (2.0)
- Multi-language support
- Removable drive setting (UMS)
- Streaming radio/audio
- Expandable memory
- Xenon camera flash
- Better bluetooth (syncing and more)
- A2DP, BT support, Vcards etc
- App store
- Mail revamp
- Mark all as read/unread button
- Consolidate all inboxes option
- Magnification glass glitch correction
- Non recessed connector (headphone jack)
- Tetherability
- Google calendar sync
- Bookmarks sync (Safri, firefox)
- Java support (SDK)
- File browser
- Ability to attach files to mail
- Wifi use of Skype (SDK)
- iPhone as remote for Airport Express
- 802.11n
- Finder
- Note sync
- Exchange Push (2.0)
- Tabbed mail accounts
- Video recording
- Updated camera
- Widgets
- Replaceable battery
- Games
- Syncing of lossless music to a lossy aac iPhone library
- Birthdays auto added as events
- Add/edit contacts whilst on phone
- Call history
- Recent calls split into All dialled missed received
- Detailed alarm repeat
- Mouse over support
- better contact search
- Option for SMS contents to not show upon receipt
- Display owner information when locked
- iTunes store
- Starbucks coffee ordering system
- Shared streaming media over wifi
- File editing, loading, storing.
- To do lists
- Coverflow of widgets
- RSS News reader
- Vertical scroll using bezel edge (think Garmin 405)
- Undo
- Able to delete single SMS from a conversation
- Download/upload files in Safari
- Spotlight
- Basic punctuation on main keyboard
- Built in GPS
- SMS to multiple contacts
- No key enlargement when entering password
- Wireless sharing of non-DRM (music) files
- Non camera version for the Foxes
- Settings screen
- Weather show radar, isobars
- Caller's dial code ID'er
- .Mac integration with wireless sync and online storage
- Spam filtering
- A Google map cache
- Color coordinated calendar appts
- voice tags
- non bubbles SMS's
- Advanced calculator
- better Safari response times (WebKit working on it?)
- Weather widget to show its icon as weather in 2 hr
- FM Radio
- Multiple/all simultaneous email deletion (2.0)
- Character count in SMS
- Reminder function (blinking light)
- Double space period then space insertion
- Missed call reminder function (blinking light)
- Sync manually option
- A speedtext button to a contact, similar to speeddial

 

[newyorksole]

All this 3G talk, people are also forgetting the SDK and Apps Store are being released in june. This means a whole array of apps that Apple didn't include will be put in the iPhone by other developers. I can't wait though, so excited.

 

[t0mat0]

All this 3G talk, people are also forgetting the SDK and Apps Store are being released in june. This means a whole array of apps that Apple didn't include will be put in the iPhone by other developers. I can't wait though, so excited.

In terms of timing many believe the 3G iPhone is going to be announced/shipped at the same time as the SDK, Apps Store, v2.0 OS and so on. It's just a short cut for many.

I agree with you interms of the SDK and the Apps Store (just had another look at it and will post an edit to this post in an hour or so). The SDK is going to give a breadth of application uses to put WM 6.1 to shame.

 

[m1chnoff]

Im very psyched for this phone.
I heard it was coming out late May/early June.

 

[t0mat0]

Windows Media vs. iPhone. & Other ramblings

A refurb *and* a new iPhone come June eh m1chnoff?

Windows Media vs. iPhone. & Other ramblings

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/322785/
http://mobilitytoday.com/news/windows_mobile_7_walkthrough.html

Those UK price cuts seem to be working for O2 et al. it seems (Carphone Warehouse seeing >5x more sales than normal). But little did you know, that round the corner, Windows Mobile 7 is already "blowing away" the upcoming iPhone. Oh yes. Steve Ballmer predicted that the iPhone had "no chance" of gaining significant market share. Microsoft's mobile communications department Scott Rockfield (when asked about how the company expects to keep ahead of competitors):

"We are not at all worried. We think we've got the one mobile platform you'll use for the rest of your life."

Fighting words.



Whilst Gates is a fan of voice recognition, Windows Mobile 7 focuses on touch and motion gestures. Redmond has a lot of photocopiers it seems. Unfortunately, Apple it seems may very well beat them to the chase. This then will soon lead to Microsoft looking like they've aped Apple big style again. Which is a shame.

http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/ is the main url to visit, as most of this post is a rehash of it.


WM7 - A touching gesture to the iPhone

WM7 will see touch in a big way: flicks, swipes, screen drawing. It won't have scrollbars really, and will have motion gestures (through the phone camera rather than accelerometers).
Apple 2.0 will have flicks, swipes, screen drawing apps. Scrollbars are really a no no in the UI documentation. Apple doesn't currently flaunt any upcoming motion gestures of their own, but have shown the capability exists and has already coded and publicly demo'd as such.


WM7 will have improved visuals, animations and graphical transitions, and a refresh for better displaying media (photos, videos, internet)... Which is not hard to do, considering the dev. team is starting from WM6.
WM7 is designed for the finger, not the stylus. (Which is kind of an argument against upcoming iPhones getting a stylus, and physical keyboard ala RIM Crackberry).

Apple - well, Core Animation and relevant parts of the OS are opened up via the SDK to an Apple developer. Maybe we'll find that pressure sensitive, haptic touch screen is a possibility . Till then, the iPhone already has a bit of a head-start with music and videos (with possible Music Store and Apps Store via Starbucks also). Apple never had a mind for a stylus or hard keyboard (though may break these 2 philosophies somewhere down the line). Core Animation lets Apple easily throw in stock animations into the Interface Builder, and anyone with some coding nous will presumably come up with more. Hopefully there will be some great open source chunks of XCode to further this side.

WM7 will have audio and visual feedback. iPhone gets audio and visual feedback. Something along the lines of oooohs, aaaahs and smiles. (Yes, the iPhone already has some of this - e.g. it has the rubber bounce when you flick down to the end of the list. It has wobbling symbols when moving things round etc)


Motion Gesture possibilities:

Looking at how WM7 intends to do some motion gestures, it seems that it's going to use image recognition via the camera, rather than accelerometers. SO you tilt the phone to view landscape, it see's your lovely mug is now sideways, and the WM phone turns the screen sideways. No word back yet on possible battery usage efficiency between WM7's technique and accelerometer technique from Apple. (Personally I vote for the accelerometers - This gives a metric tonne more information - it gives 3 Dimensional position, and gives acceleration in all axes - which creates a lot more applications from the readings of these and also creates presumably a larger set of gestures (shakes, swirls, twists, leans, wiggles, circles, flicks)...(I think it hits the NDA nearly - lets say the accelerometers give many readings a second, as you'd expect from a smooth feedback for gaming via them, which has already been shown).

WM7 shows a nice use of the swipe gesture motion to give your preference in a <--- ---> left right visual option. However, there seems to be some superfluous glitzy tat / frippery being vaunted by Microsoft in terms of 1) Using shaking as a gesture motion that much, & 2) Having a deformable locked-screen.
I'm not so sure about the actual need to use a shaking motion to put a media section into shuffle mode (apart from aping from Sony-Ericsson shake technology?). It's a bit like using shaking the phone to wake it up. Maybe Microsoft's hunting a little bit too much for things to use gestures for.

Couldn't see any mention of pinch for photos: "When pressing the directional pad down in a full-screen media application, such as a photo application, you can move the device forward and backward to zoom in and out of the image." The amount that Apple's patents restrict competitors will be interesting to see.

Gizmodo's take

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/what.s-wrong-with-windows-mobile/whats-wrong-with-windows-mobile-and-how-wm7-and-wm8-are-going-to-fix-it-333536.php

"The number one biggest problem with Windows Mobile is its UI."
They complained of the lack of ease in multitasking, (no easy way to switch between apps), and it being hard to close a program (closing it doesn't really shut it down).

Both problems seemingly coming from allowing background apps - something which Apple is insistent on not allowing (with good reason). It forces good practise on developers, and as said, stops the above problems occurring.

Other Gizmodo nuggets include that for consumers, simplicity is more important than features, and that a touch screen is for touching. Simple messages. Another stickler area Apple has had previously is backgrounds - in a way this helps keep the visual aesthetics minimal and not overly busy on the eye - it's easy to see the icons against the black or grey stripey styled backgrounds.

How many ways does WM6 want to tell you that you might...just...have...missed...a...call...


Timings

WM7 was slated for ~ Q3 2008. However, Microsoft seems to be pitting a phone not yet made with an Apple one from last year (that's about to get an update in 50 odd days).
Was slated for...
WM6.1 was released April 1st. In a recent summit on WM7 Microsoft's Robbie Bach spent "much of his keynote address to CTIA attendees talking about how Microsoft needs to make Windows Mobile easier for consumers to use and enjoy." http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9921731-37.html?tag=nefd.top and it seemed that Miniman (who attended at Redmond) believes that Microsoft won't be ready to release WM7 until 2009, and maybe not till Q3 09.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7277.html

Roughly quoted:

"According to our predications the optimistic scenario of WM7 rollout is: February 2009 announcement (MWC 09), sales starting Q3 2009...The release date is a bit late even in optimistic scenario so exasperation of Microsoft MVPs is understandable... however these outbursts were not expected from MVPs, who usually are busy pointing out why Apple iPhone is inferior to Windows Mobile phones."

Microsoft has launched WM 6.1 but the full-web browsing capability with Flash support is currently scheduled to be available late: ~ Q4 2008. Undersell, underdeliver? So Adobe might have a Flash app on the iPhone before WM6.1 hehe.

Conclusion

So not only is Microsoft basically having to play catch up and look the Xerox King (as there is only small number of optimal ways to do a mobile phone's UI, touch, maps, contacts, etc ) - they also will be late in trying to catch up - Even Symbian will have 4th Gen touch screen OS by then! As said, a month and a half away is a little WWDC talk down in San Fran, which might cause even more debate on this issue.

At least WM 8 is said to be giong to be redone from the ground up, with newer and more powerful mobile hardware. (Sounds a bit like Vista's successor!) "Microsoft promises features such as being able to go from a person's address in their contact info directly to a map view with directions to where they live." Wowee.

But wait!
Isn't WM superior to iPhone?

(From a Tim Hillebrand post) - The iPhone:

Can't perform Office functions (Word, Excel, slideshows (Powerpoint))
Can't create mp3 ringtones
Has:
No MMS, GPS, No expansion slots, No xenon flash for the camera, No video capability, No dual cameras, no screenshot capability, not multipixel, No phone keypad, No eBook reader, No IR, No Bluetooth 2.0, No BT headphone suport ,No 802.11 g/e Wi-Fi support, No mini USB for syncing/charging, No downloadable programs.
No iPhone to iPhone connectivity, No way to transfer files between iPhone to Mac or reverse, No removable battery, No peripherals for the iPhone (BT keyboard, BT mouse, BT headphones BT GPS etc), No voice commands (esp can't talk to iTunes), No way to watch/control TV DVR remotely, No radio, No way to use iPhone as an extension of your desktop monitor and move the mouse and data between them., No stylus capability, No way to change page transitions or animations, No way to control your computer or anything else remotely with an iPhone, No programmable hardware buttons (e.g. for control/access of volume, camera)

WM boasts >21,000 actual programs.

If you look a few posts up, the requests for software, and some hardware summary pretty much covers this (and more - macrumors users know there wants!). So highlighted in bold above, is what i'd expect will be sorted come June. Those in italics are for reasonable reasons, not really big issues. Of note, batteries is batteries. You replace them via APple, and you get a better battery length. Also, Bonjour in the SDK covers iPhone to iPhone comms. This might be huge soon - something that I imagine we'll see a lot more of.

The iPhone isn't a mini MBP. Wait for an MID in 2009. Some words from the writer of the above points:

"I hasten to acknowledge that the iPhone does what it does very well indeed. I never had it hang up on me and never had to reset it. The screen is crystal clear and the graphics a pleasure to view. The finger-friendly navigation has its problems and limitations but it is still a smooth solution that is fun to do. Everything on the system is easy to implement and ideally suited for consumers who do not know about or care about power computing on a handheld device."

Apple has stated that that is there creed - set out to do a few things, and do them well. it's raised the bar (for both network providers, mobile phone makers, and Symbian/WM teams).

"I expect that most of the items on the list above can be checked off as time goes by. But, for now I'm sticking with my WM device and will wait until I can do things like word processing with a Bluetooth keyboard, take videos, use Bluetooth headphones, highlight, copy, cut, and paste before I consider an iPhone seriously."

And that is some of the main meat of arguments for / against the iPhone currently.

A digression


Audio to text (-> and to spoken commands) - Why hasn't that military complex tech filtered down yet? Last I heard, ECHELON were using VAXs to be the hardware to do the grunt work to convert audio to text/recognisable words and phrases. What is the processing power needed to do it decently? I would have thought that there would have been a spin off. (Random thought - Would Apple hostile take over Dragon & it's Naturally Speaking business (a concept that's starting to gain a foothold in medical secretarial work at UK Hospitals for example).

ECHELON - does decryption, filtering, examination, codifying of both text, and voice. Maybe we have to wait till our desktops or servers in the cloud can match Menwith Hill's SILKWORTH from yesteryear. (Silkworth did the voice recognition, OCR and data information engines get to work on the messages apparently. As you can imagine, it's a bit hush hush.) They have a decent capacity and skill at it - (The figure I read was >300,000 simultaneous calls via several trunk cables). Maybe their voiceprint technology of the back of previous work might help at least in local accents - There is work like http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/36013.htm and you can imagine with an expense account, a few 1,000 PS3s and some coding, you could at least get a headstart on some neural network analysis for different accents and speech recognition beyond words and phrases.
(Apparently the "The U.S. Navy is supporting new speech recognition research for its potential benefits to Navy sonar." Yup, sonar


http://gizmodo.com/341287/windows-mobile-7-details-leaked-+-multi+touch-motion-gestures

 

[Algalli]

wm 7 vs Iphone

The one big difference between wm 7 and Apple I phone is that one can actually use the Iphone. Game, set, match!

al

 

[transam7816]

winmo os sucks

 

[pocketdoc]

I have used WM for many years, and although it is clumsy (now), it is highly configurable and can be "hacked" on certain phones (HTC phones can easily be changed).

This cannot be done on the iPhone at this time, aside from Jail-Breaking an iPhone.

Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a beautiful device and I want one, but I would definitely miss the ability to have access to thousands of programs and to change the phone configuration.

I know programs are coming to the iPhone, but Stevo is so restrictive. I believe the choices will be limited.

Each side has its advantages and its disadvantages.

 

[t0mat0]

Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a beautiful device and I want one, but I would definitely miss the ability to have access to thousands of programs and to change the phone configuration.

I know programs are coming to the iPhone, but Stevo is so restrictive. I believe the choices will be limited.
Each side has its advantages and its disadvantages.

What parts would you like configurable? I'm not totally up to date with the HTC - What parts can be configured that can't on the iPhone currently?

As said above, jailbreaking has allowed the "pirates" to remix the product and show where the people want change. It hopefully has been taken on board for 2.0 come June.

I think there is a lot to gain from being as restrictive as Steve is - Minimising clutter, making things simple, keeping the choice number down is good. Places like macrumors et al bring quite a few more "power users" which make up the minority of users of the iPhone. Apple is catering more for those with a little less technical prowess than those.

It's a hard one to balance. On a desktop app it's hard. On a phone even harder, as you just can't hide away those extra choices and configs you want - the format forces you to make choices to keep it simple. (And SDK wise, well, it's NDA stuff, but I imagine you're familiar with the User Interface material of Apple - there is reason things are restrictive).

Apple will get there. Slowly but surely

 

[LiveForever]

The rumours about more than one iphone suggests that maybe we will see apple start the real scortched earth policy it has been so successful with the ipod.

The talk of sliders, flip phones and a classic iphone could be the start of a range to suit all budgets. A nano, a classic and a touch.

If apple is really to compete with Nokia and the others it has to have a range to suit all from basic MP3 player with phone cabability to full on mini laptop.

iphone 2.0 will be the start of the range

 

[wildcardd]

So..t0mat0 with the Italy deal.

If true, and we are only a matter of weeks away from an announcement from Italy, do you expect an announcement from Steve-O sooner than WWDC?

I smell press invites as soon as the next couple of weeks.

 

[t0mat0]

Italy - Initial thoughts

EDIT: I parsed the babelfish translation as best I could.

If true, and we are only a matter of weeks away from an announcement from Italy, do you expect an announcement from Steve-O sooner than WWDC?
I smell press invites as soon as the next couple of weeks.

As said previously, why the 200,000 3G iPhones being made in May, *then* a ramp up? Awful lot of demo models. I'd say it's a cert that we're going to hear a bump in a few Apple lines. Jobs and Schiller have us guessing. Just like we like it

Since the links on 9to5 and macrumors main page didn't do it: The article in full via Google translation:

Edit: Via Google without the Italian

http://www.repubblica.it/2005/b/sez...gia/mondomac/iphone-italia/iphone-italia.html


The phone immediately to the new version Umts. Not there will be ' revenue sharing' There will be ' revenue sharing'
and neanche the exclusive right: advantage at least six months for the group of Bernabè Nor exclusive: advantage of at least six months for the group Bernabè
The iPhone it arrives in Italy The iPhone arrives in Italy
Telecom has already signed Telecom has already signed
Jobs has been convinced to change the strategy that has carried to the happened one of the Jobs telephone was convinced to change the strategy that led to the success of the phone
Nothing comes to an agreement in exclusive right and nothing percentage on the traffic generated from every exclusive Nothing customers agreements and nothing percentage of traffic generated by each user
of STEFANO CARLI STEFANO of CARLI

The iPhone <B>arrives in Italy <br>Telecom has already signed </ B>

Steve Jobs with the iPhone.
Apple has sold in the world 4 million mobile phones.
The signing came directly Frank Benabè: A lot in those days was already in the USA for the road show presentation of his' nuovà Telecom Italy.
On 31 March Frank was in New York, shortly after flew to the West Coast. Official destination, LA with fastest passage to Cupertino, headquarters of Apple.

On the other hand on this Steve Jobs was imperative: the agreements and sign at the highest levels.
But it was quick, because everything was ready to seal the agreement that will bring the iPhone in Italy in to few week [<--Part that needs decent translating]s.

An agreement fruit of the work carried out for months by Luca Luciani, the number one Tim: to be well in spotikljaj ' paperà Waterloo, but can still earns the merit of being able to persuades Steve Jobs to change strategy.


Revolutionary because with Telecom Italy, and to enter the Italian market, Jobs would abandon the formula which up to now he has built the success of its super-phone: exclusive agreements with a single operator in each market, and the mechanism of ' revenue sharing ', under which Jobs collects a percentage, and also very salty ["salata"], as is 30%, traffic generated by each iPhone user.


Broadly speaking incardina the agreement on the following points.


1) The Italian market will not to be directly iPhone 2G but the new, third generation of iPhone mobile Umts that best exploit the strong development of networks Italian Band large.
2) The agreement with Telecom Italy will not be based on ' revenue sharing': no more percentages on the traffic but a higher selling price.
3) Finally, not an exclusive agreement with Telecom Italy, but an advantage of several months given to the group by Frank Bernabè.

An advantage that is already in the facts: the Telecom system is already essentially ready to receive in its network, technological and sales, the iPhone.

According to operator, leaving an hour, once made official that the iPhone Italian they will not be (exclusive) of Tim, it will still need time, Going outside of the generic : Vodafone or H3g, probably the first operating ones to benefit from the lack of exclusivity, will have to run if they will want to make in time to carry their eventual own iPhone onto the market for next Christmas. By the summer of 2008 to there will be only Tim.

At first it seems an odd agreement. Telecom Italy earns us to lot: you take home the first iPhone and paying much less than her predecessors. But because Jobs would accept all this?


The ability for the iPhone to market well is undeniable. Impressive numbers circulate.

For example, the United States, the first market to where mobile Jobs launched the iPhone, it appears that At & t has already sold 3 million handsets, 1 million of these in the last quarter.
More But even 3 these impressive is the fact that just under 500,000 iPhone through At & t are new users to a t & t, who have left their previous operator to switch to At & t for an iPhone.

What reasons have then pushed Jobs to abandon the old strategy of ' revenue sharing'?
The explanation is that this formula can not stand still [or resist] for long.

The market is changing. Mobile The world is moving rapidly towards Internet.
It wants to say that the rich part of the business of the telefonini will not be more the voice, that it will have more and more low costs, but the traffic given.

And here too, not I know much to product ' basicò like to simple stream of bits, but advanced services fee.

The system of the revenues of the mobile telephony between some year will be divided in three parts.


From a part of the fixed costs salaries for voice and simple connection.
This money goes directly to the operatiprs for the single fact to give access to its network to the user.
and is a quota that stretches to come down further.
Then there is the money users pay for premium services. Typical example: music.
You download music files fee.

But we also buy news, video, new services like all possible types of remote controls via phone and forth. And this slice of revenues will go to the owners of the services.

Finally third part tied to the search engines will be one, to the social networking, the maps and the information type such as Yellow Pages. These will be free for users but will produce revenues from advertisements.


And on this last type of services that is competition opened between the telecom, the suppliers of the services and who will be in a position of organizing and managing all this traffic, that is subject like Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Nokia and Ericsson in how many holders of intelligences network.

that is where Jobs goes hour to reach revenues through ' revenue sharing'.

In short: the business generated by mobile phones will grow, but it will be less and less to invoice in bill by bill, which is where Jobs is now to draw revenues through ' revenue sharing'.



Jobs therefore has begun to understand that the parabola of the iPhone is reached its apex, as product.


Also because the assured competitive advantage from the technology ' touch screen', from the fact to have a efficient part ' computer' deriving from the kwow how historical of Apple is in order to be caught up from the contenders.

Alsothe competitive advantage provided by technology ' touch screen', by the fact of having an efficient part ' computer' resulting from historical know how of Apple to in order to be caught up by it's competitors.



Samsung and Htc have already launched the first smartphone keyboard and manageable without keyboard, instead without directly touching the screen.

And even if the first models to are not entirely at the level of Apple, you can bet that within one or two versions they will have bridged the gap.

And perhaps also they will have gone further. And this autumn comes the Nokia battleship that will launch its first ' touch screen' in time for Christmas 2008.


I know, Steve Jobs has in his hands a beautiful successful product.

But how to avoid "doing" a Motorola, which has failed to distance itself from Time to planetary success of its Razr, which is still the best-selling single mobile phone model of the mobile world, which has gone in 12 months from the stars to failure or almost? It must change. But how?

The iPhone is not a telephone to broadband.


It is still good for markets to where mobile wide band is not yet well developed. Like the United States [yup]
And, in Europe, practically all except Italy [I disagree].
The total percentage of Umts customers in every European market is clear: 20% in France, 18% in Great Britain, 15% in Spain.

But 44% in Italy: nearly one on two.


For markets still underdeveloped from this point of view the iPhone has mainly resulted in dowry to operators to strong increase in shipping.

All the more remarkable to markets still linked to voice traffic, as the United States.



Its ease of use, both to been annoying, both to buy products as valuable music and video thanks to the synergy with iTunes, has made a wonderful tool for users to start mobile Internet. But with the passage to the world 3G the things are complicated. And the competition increases.


Jobs has been found to be dealing with Telecom Italy for the first Time was unable to enforce this asset, the ability of the iPhone to generate valuable traffic: Tim, without the iPhone, has already recorded one increase in growth of navigation on cellular navigation of 90%.

In short, the competitive advantage of the Italian mobile market on the world still works.


In Jobs one is found again in your hands bbe found an instrument underrated: a browser.

The heart of iPhone is the the software that makes surfing the Internet and is called Safari.
From USA comes yet another astonishing number: 70% of accesses to the network via piece of furniture networks occurs from the iPhone Safari browser


And browsers are the true frontier of this new market.

It is not a coincidence that Google is working on Android.
For Jobs [it] suddenly became clear that the new primary objective is not to sell too few iPhone at the greate[r/st] price possible (between sale and percentages traffic) but to spread as much as possible Safari.


Incidently selling much more handsets thanks to the renunciation of exclusive rights, more
And Telecom Italy has [been[ found [to be] the right place at the perfect moment.

( 21 you open them 2008 April 21, 2008 )

 

[wildcardd]

As said previously, why the 200,000 3G iPhones being made in May, *then* a ramp up? Awful lot of demo models. I'd say it's a cert that we're going to hear a bump in a few Apple lines. Jobs and Schiller have us guessing. Just like we like it

200,000 sounds like a reasonable number for Italy, then with the ramp up in June of 500K per week. Who could those be for

Perhaps the phone will be released in Italy first, then as the WWDC keynote comes to an end...Steve will announce "Boom....Call now, operators are standing by"

I can't wait for the "Announcement"

 

[t0mat0]

200,000 sounds like a reasonable number for Italy, then with the ramp up in June of 500K per week. Who could those be for

Perhaps the phone will be released in Italy first, then as the WWDC keynote comes to an end...Steve will announce "Boom....Call now, operators are standing by"

I can't wait for the "Announcement"

Ok - So we await a decently translated version. Till then pigdin babelish:

Italy get it first? No reason whatsoever. Why not Australia? Or Belgium?
I think basically, when they mean summer, they mean exactly the same time as Europe.

Telecom might have signed, but that means jack.
Who is Frank Benabè - a company man??

" But it was quick, because everything was ready to seal the agreement that will bring the iPhone in Italy in to few weeks."
- Who says?


Apple moves away from revenue sharing (but a higher selling price) and exclusive rights?
Telecom Italy gets

exclusive agreements with to single operator in each market, and the mechanism of ' revenue sharing ', under which Jobs collects to percentage, "and also very salty" as is 30%, traffic generated by each user iPhone.

Then it goes a bit Obi One Kinobe:
"On first strange agreement seems one."
"Therefore, Steve Jobs has between the hands a beautiful succeeding product of."
"The iPhone it is not telephone to wide-band. It goes still well for markets in which the mobile wide band it is not still a lot developed. Like the United States." Lol

A big point - UMTS customers: 20% in France, 18% in Great Britain,15% in Spain. 44% in Italy

"But with the passage to the world 3G the things are complicated. But with the transition to 3G world things to are more complicated. And the competition increases. And the competition increases.

"It is coincidence not to here is that he has been working the same Google with Android. For Jobs without warning the new objective has been made clearly that primary to which heading is not to sell little iPhone al greater price possible (between sale and percentages sul traffic) but to diffuse the most possible its Safari. For more Jobs suddenly became clear that the new primary objective to point is not to sell to few iPhone possible price (between sales and percentages traffic), but spread as to make as possible its Safari. Incidently selling also much more it finishes them, thanks to the renunciation to the exclusive rights, more Incidentally selling many terminals, thanks to surrender to exclusive

"And Telecom Italy has been found to the just place in the better moment. And Telecom Italy has found the right place at the perfect moment."

Well, the article has a point. Italy has got UTMS. (It'd be interesting to see that - is that just major cities? )

 

[wildcardd]

Check out the post I just made:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/473746/

Interesting if true.

 

[t0mat0]

Switch to Mac "3G in May"
http://switchtoamac.com/site/3g-ipho...wwdc-2008.html


Quote:
3G iPhone in May, new mobile device at WWDC 2008?
Posted by: switchtoamac

We don't usually publish rumors but I when my fellow MBA classmate, who happens to have connections with several Apple reps, passed on an interesting tidbit of iPhone speculation, I felt that it warranted publication. He indicated that Apple will be announcing the 3G iPhone sometime in May and then a new product at WWDC 2008.

3G iPhone announcement in May? If the rumor is true, the new iPhone will be available for purchase at the Apple Store one day after Apple announces it. So to reitereate, Apple will announce the iPhone an you'll be able to buy it the very next day. With the iPhone update out of the way, Apple will use WWDC 2008 (June 9th - 13th in San Francisco) to announce a new handheld device, a next generation mobile computing device.

I'd also like to highlight that on April 2, 2008, Intel announced Centrino Atom processors for Mobile Internet Devices (press release). The chips are targeted for used in cell phones, ultra-mobile computers and Mobile Internet Devices (MID). Since the switch to Intel processors, Apple and Intel have been rumored to have formed an "Apple Group" comprised of Apple and Intel engineers. <Snip>

Is possible. As long as production can be just above the level they're selling iPhones now, they should not have too many out of stock moments. 200,000 is enough of a buffer if they can be at maximum production come June 10th.

No idea why Atom is highlighted though. Didn't Jobs say late 08 (and at current power draw, it can't compete with ARM, or Broadcomm...).

 

[t0mat0]

We await May with interest. And wonder - if Apple announces the new version iPhone in May, what's the suprise in June?!

Anyone want to punt on which Tuesday we hear an announcement? (Low odds, Apple putting out invites tomorrow, for next Tuesday?)

April 22 T -7 weeks
April 29 T -6 weeks
May 6 T -5 weeks
May 13 T -4 weeks
May 20 T -3 weeks
May 27 T -2 weeks
June 3 T-1 week
June 10 (Keynote)

 

[Justinerator]

We await May with interest. And wonder - if Apple announces the new version iPhone in May, what's the suprise in June?!

Anyone want to punt on which Tuesday we hear an announcement? (Low odds, Apple putting out invites tomorrow, for next Tuesday?)

April 22 T -7 weeks
April 29 T -6 weeks
May 6 T -5 weeks
May 13 T -4 weeks
May 20 T -3 weeks
May 27 T -2 weeks
June 3 T-1 week
June 10 (Keynote)

 

[wildcardd]

We await May with interest. And wonder - if Apple announces the new version iPhone in May, what's the suprise in June?!

Anyone want to punt on which Tuesday we hear an announcement? (Low odds, Apple putting out invites tomorrow, for next Tuesday?)

April 22 T -7 weeks
April 29 T -6 weeks
May 6 T -5 weeks
May 13 T -4 weeks
May 20 T -3 weeks
May 27 T -2 weeks
June 3 T-1 week
June 10 (Keynote)

Here's my prediction:

Announcements the week of the 6th for an event the week of the 13th.

The week of May 13 seems to be lining up quite nicely. I don't know if it will actually be a Tuesday, but sometime that week we will see something.

 

[saladiro]

holy moly.....

WOW....tks for the update,

my question is, aside from this 3G I phone, it appears that apple will launch more later this year (eg styles type)???

why don't they release all at once and let people chose? It appears from a financial standpoint that more revenue would be generated because people are going to keep buying and buying the latest one. On the other hand, I see my self in the opposite situation. I may want to hold off on the 3G if a better one (with a styles) is to come out..in a few more months. If others shared my view, then the apple strategy works against them...

I can only say this....based on the response from this forum, I am calling my broker now to buy AAPL.

nuf said$$$$$$$

 

[t0mat0]

my question is, aside from this 3G I phone, it appears that apple will launch more later this year (eg styles type)???

why don't they release all at once and let people chose? It appears from a financial standpoint that more revenue would be generated because people are going to keep buying and buying the latest one. On the other hand, I see my self in the opposite situation. I may want to hold off on the 3G if a better one (with a styles) is to come out..in a few more months. If others shared my view, then the apple strategy works against them...

I can only say this....based on the response from this forum, I am calling my broker now to buy AAPL.

There's a lot to come this year.
- Complete refresh in design of the iPod range (nano, classic...)
- There's already been a Mac Pro "Early 2008". Wouldnt be too much of a push to think there would be a late 08 too
- Due to Nehalem and other changes coming up June and later, there will be changes to the MBP MB
- The info on other types of iPhone is rumour - (e.g. The Times article, see discussion on a previous page).

You can't do everything at once, whether it's feasible or not. A drip drip technique, not coming out with all the aces at once sells more, and keeps people wanting more.

I wouldn't hold out for a future model really. The primary benefit of a iPhone is the one large screen. Clamshell doesn't give that as much, neither does a slider (they both equate to a Nintendo DS in form - split screen). There's always something better in the pipeline, in a few more days/weeks/months - check out the Buyer's Guide for this. Unless you like not having an iPhone more than having one?

Remember AAPL is quite volatile around keynote time. You should think longer term (and bear in mind we're in something tantamount to a recession).

Changing the subject back to Voice to Text briefly

June 2007:

"Nuance Communications, Inc. acquired Tegic Communications Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of AOL LLC and a developer of embedded software for mobile devices.

The transaction expands Nuance's presence in the mobile industry and allows it to further accelerate the delivery of solutions that unlock the power of mobile devices and networks. Tegic brings industry-leading T9 predictive text input software, which has shipped on more than 2.5 billion devices, and next-generation integrated text and touch input solutions to Nuance's portfolio of voice-enabled applications for device control, mobile search, email and text messaging. In addition, the companies share a common focus and strategy for serving the needs of their shared customers and partners within the mobile industry, including Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG and Motorola.

Combining Tegic's T9 predictive text and multimodal input solutions with Nuance's advanced speech technologies for mobile devices, the acquisition sets the stage for a new mobile user interface that combines voice, text and touch to dramatically improve the user experience for consumers and mobile professionals. Building on a partnership between Nuance and Tegic established in 2005, Nuance intends to deliver an all-in-one interface that integrates Nuance and Tegic solutions to support predictive text, speech and touch input. This multimodal interface will provide easier access for users of mobile devices and will be available to all manufacturers across their product lines.

"The enhanced capabilities of mobile devices and networks have fueled significant innovation in features and services, but their potential has been tempered by the traditional interface on most mobile devices," said Paul Ricci, chairman and CEO, at Nuance. "Tegic shares our vision of delivering an integrated, superior and flexible user experience for today's wireless subscribers. Together, we are poised to redefine the way people interact with their mobile devices, delivering a more convenient, simple way for consumers to control features and access information on their phones, and search and navigate the mobile Web." "

Geekcentralnews article (and by the way, if you are reading this - Go check out their competition if you're in the US!)

The End of Typing as We Know It?
"In fact, not even close. Much discussion circles around audio-to-text conversion, especially in the disability services community. Bill Gates even believes (and has believed for more than 10 years) that we are on the very cusp of making audio into text a reality for everyone. That could mean no more typing!

Unfortunately, the technology really isn’t there yet, despite the best efforts of software developers over the last fifteen years.

The best tool for turning audio into text right now is Dragon Naturally Speaking version 9. This software, once installed on a computer, allows the user to talk into a standard free-standing or headset-style microphone connected to the computer and watch words appear on the screen in a word processor. As of version 9, Dragon works better out of the box than any previous version. That being said, it is not fool-proof, and it still requires that the user “train” it to understand how they pronounce words. This takes several hours, in general, and the program continues to “learn” as you use it over time. Additionally, it must be used in a quiet environment with limited background noise to achieve the best results.
<snip>
Despite what companies like Sony would like you to believe, there is no way you can take a recorded tape/digital recording of a lecture, presentation, or meeting discussion and turn it into text format with just a software program. Even Dragon, as good as it is, is unable to complete this Herculean feat. Audio recordings are full of “noise,” whether it be the person sitting near the recorder shuffling papers, audience members coughing, the air conditioner running in the corner, etc. Even a relatively careful recording has enough noise in it to confuse the text converter.

We are still a long way from the end of typing on a keyboard."


But as the Eurofighter has shown - you can do a fair bit if you have semi-rigid syntax, and only a few key words. I sure do hope Apple has audio commands in hand, and Microsoft isn't going to win big in this respect.

 

[saladiro]

There's a lot to come this year.
- Complete refresh in design of the iPod range (nano, classic...)
- There's already been a Mac Pro "Early 2008". Wouldnt be too much of a push to think there would be a late 08 too
- Due to Nehalem and other changes coming up June and later, there will be changes to the MBP MB
- The info on other types of iPhone is rumour - (e.g. The Times article, see discussion on a previous page).

You can't do everything at once, whether it's feasible or not. A drip drip technique, not coming out with all the aces at once sells more, and keeps people wanting more.

I wouldn't hold out for a future model really. The primary benefit of a iPhone is the one large screen. Clamshell doesn't give that as much, neither does a slider (they both equate to a Nintendo DS in form - split screen). There's always something better in the pipeline, in a few more days/weeks/months - check out the Buyer's Guide for this. Unless you like not having an iPhone more than having one?

Remember AAPL is quite volatile around keynote time. You should think longer term (and bear in mind we're in something tantamount to a recession).

Changing the subject back to Voice to Text briefly

June 2007:

"Nuance Communications, Inc. acquired Tegic Communications Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of AOL LLC and a developer of embedded software for mobile devices.

The transaction expands Nuance's presence in the mobile industry and allows it to further accelerate the delivery of solutions that unlock the power of mobile devices and networks. Tegic brings industry-leading T9 predictive text input software, which has shipped on more than 2.5 billion devices, and next-generation integrated text and touch input solutions to Nuance's portfolio of voice-enabled applications for device control, mobile search, email and text messaging. In addition, the companies share a common focus and strategy for serving the needs of their shared customers and partners within the mobile industry, including Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG and Motorola.

Combining Tegic's T9 predictive text and multimodal input solutions with Nuance's advanced speech technologies for mobile devices, the acquisition sets the stage for a new mobile user interface that combines voice, text and touch to dramatically improve the user experience for consumers and mobile professionals. Building on a partnership between Nuance and Tegic established in 2005, Nuance intends to deliver an all-in-one interface that integrates Nuance and Tegic solutions to support predictive text, speech and touch input. This multimodal interface will provide easier access for users of mobile devices and will be available to all manufacturers across their product lines.

"The enhanced capabilities of mobile devices and networks have fueled significant innovation in features and services, but their potential has been tempered by the traditional interface on most mobile devices," said Paul Ricci, chairman and CEO, at Nuance. "Tegic shares our vision of delivering an integrated, superior and flexible user experience for today's wireless subscribers. Together, we are poised to redefine the way people interact with their mobile devices, delivering a more convenient, simple way for consumers to control features and access information on their phones, and search and navigate the mobile Web." "

Geekcentralnews article (and by the way, if you are reading this - Go check out their competition if you're in the US!)

The End of Typing as We Know It?
"In fact, not even close. Much discussion circles around audio-to-text conversion, especially in the disability services community. Bill Gates even believes (and has believed for more than 10 years) that we are on the very cusp of making audio into text a reality for everyone. That could mean no more typing!

Unfortunately, the technology really isn’t there yet, despite the best efforts of software developers over the last fifteen years.

The best tool for turning audio into text right now is Dragon Naturally Speaking version 9. This software, once installed on a computer, allows the user to talk into a standard free-standing or headset-style microphone connected to the computer and watch words appear on the screen in a word processor. As of version 9, Dragon works better out of the box than any previous version. That being said, it is not fool-proof, and it still requires that the user “train” it to understand how they pronounce words. This takes several hours, in general, and the program continues to “learn” as you use it over time. Additionally, it must be used in a quiet environment with limited background noise to achieve the best results.
<snip>
Despite what companies like Sony would like you to believe, there is no way you can take a recorded tape/digital recording of a lecture, presentation, or meeting discussion and turn it into text format with just a software program. Even Dragon, as good as it is, is unable to complete this Herculean feat. Audio recordings are full of “noise,” whether it be the person sitting near the recorder shuffling papers, audience members coughing, the air conditioner running in the corner, etc. Even a relatively careful recording has enough noise in it to confuse the text converter.

We are still a long way from the end of typing on a keyboard."


But as the Eurofighter has shown - you can do a fair bit if you have semi-rigid syntax, and only a few key words. I sure do hope Apple has audio commands in hand, and Microsoft isn't going to win big in this respect.

thats cool....appreciate the response....!!!!

 

[alielizadubois]

I know that this has probably been asked already, but can anyone predict whether the release will be early June, late June?

Also, upon release, do they generally sell out very quickly?

My concern is that I am getting the iphone for many reasons, one of which is that I am going to be going to Asia for 5 weeks at the end of July. I will be very upset if the phone does, indeed, come out before I leave, but it sells out, or if it doesn't come out at all before my departure.

So... any predictions??

 

[corrado7]

I know that this has probably been asked already, but can anyone predict whether the release will be early June, late June?

Also, upon release, do they generally sell out very quickly?

My concern is that I am getting the iphone for many reasons, one of which is that I am going to be going to Asia for 5 weeks at the end of July. I will be very upset if the phone does, indeed, come out before I leave, but it sells out, or if it doesn't come out at all before my departure.

So... any predictions??

ebay is your friend. Even if you do get it you might not be able to use it in Asia due to the fact that it will be locked to AT&T network. I doubt an unlock will be availble that early but you never know