3G iPhone preview at WWDC, Release July 11 - Who, When Where, What, Why & how much

[t0mat0]

Bad news

Everything in this thread is speculation or culled from other news sources.

You obviously haven't read the whole thing, otherwise you wouldn't be bandying about words like "everything". most - yes, all of it - no siree.
(e.g. go back and see the predictions from the Earnings calls, the information gleened early on from the SGOLD3H info, translated articles, mockups, info direct from O2...)

I have bad news. Yes - news culled from other news sources. It's hard to believe I know...

Minstrel Jaffa Cake (Piper Jaffray) & their party-pooping

From Appleinsider

Users should expect only modest improvements in a 3G iPhone but a quick launch, according to a new Piper Jaffray research note

Apple is likely to release an iPhone capable of 3G wireless access earlier than it did the original model last year, but also won't reinvent the product at the same time, says to a new report from financial analysts at Piper Jaffray.

Piper senior analyst Gene Munster and his team estimate that the Apple cellphone will be available in mid-June but that the phone's design will be all but identical save for a thicker casing to fit the bulky 3G chipset and cosmetic changes to freshen its appearance. Aside from boosting the manufacturing cost of the phone from between $12 to $18 more, most of the true revisions will occur next year, the researcher predicts.

"We expect more dramatic changes with the expansion of the iPhone family to multiple models and price points by [January]," he explains.

Munster also estimates that the version 2.0 iPhone software also won't bring a substantially different experience beyond the officially announced third-party apps and Exchange support.

He also draws attention to the gap between a mid-June phone release and Apple's promised late-June 2.0 software upgrade, suggesting that Apple may take pre-orders for 3G iPhones after company chief Steve Jobs' WWDC keynote and ship the units when their software is ready. Apple may nevertheless be keen for an early launch, Munster cautions.

counter point quote:

"A common theme about Apple forecasts by people who don't have inside information is that they assign them all sorts of features that turn out not to be included. Try a quick search over forecasts for the original iPhone to see how wrong many people got that." Charles Arthur from the Guardian


That's Piper Jaffray' Gene Munster:

- "The iPhone’s international rollout is about 6 months ahead of our original expectations.”

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Nobody can sustain an 80 % market share in a consumer electronics
business for more than 2 or 3 years... It's pretty much impossible

- "Given the fact that the pace of Apple product improvements is between two times and four times faster than PC-based products, Apple buyers will always have a higher degree of buyer's remorse,"
(In recent years, Apple has averaged about one major new release of its Mac operating system a year. In contrast, about five years passed between major releases of Microsoft Corp.'s Windows XP and Vista operating systems.)
(From the wsj article also: "Some Apple watchers have come up with elaborate methods of reducing the risk of badly timed purchases. MacRumors, an Apple news site, has a buyer's guide (https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//) that discusses the probability of imminent upgrades to Apple products, based on historic product announcements by the company.")

- "Ultimately we expect Apple to develop a full touch-screen MacBook, although not until the technology has fully matured over the next 3-5 years."

- Least Gene can count - (as of May 16 stats):
* 46 carriers announced to date (up from 6 currently)
* 42 countries covered (up from 6)
* 575 million total available market (up from 153 million)
3% of 575 million is >10 million...
http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20080113003956

- Yes, it's Fortune who says:
http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/01/analyst-touchscreen-macbook-3-5-years-away/

That a touchscreen Macbook is "3-5 years away".

I think Macrumors should do a forum section highlighting analyst predictions, to visually show their %age right predictions.


Luckily seeing the Lux mods using a Macbook fills me with some hope, counterbalancing the large feeling of

NSFW links:
" Dam Dam , Dam Dam it backwards into a narrow space with a side order with a sideorder of hellfire and twice on a Sunday DAAAAAAAM."


So hearing that - does this mean sod it all, you're going to stick it for 6 months more (nothing shows Apple loyalty like waiting out the their next round of products, right?) (June -> January (January? Why not prior so they get Christmas/Yuletide sales?))?


I stick to my guns. Always outnumbered, never outgunned. Take this Gene Munster . And this and this

Lux + this = touch screen Modbook.


Those stats wanted - here's one from a poll

Study: 25% of buyers waiting for new iPhone

March study of phone buyers by ChangeWave Research suggests that exactly 25% of all potential iPhone shoppers are delaying purchases to get the next-generation iPhone.

Of the roughly 3,600 respondents to the survey, 14 percent are waiting for any significant revision to the iPhone before they purchase the device, while another 11 percent are specifically holding out for 3G data -- a wish that may be fulfilled in less than three weeks.

"Assuming Apple's next iPhone is 3G-compatible, it's good news for Apple," ChangeWave research head Paul Carton says. "That is the key issue faced by Apple."

(It wasn't mentioned if this is UK, US or worldwide figures.)

 

[thechidz]

all I know is my iphone is going up on ebay June 8th Unless my girlfriend is reeeeally nice to me, I might give it to her

 

[bmh16]

What I don't understand is the websites saying that there will only be subtle improvements to the iPhone. Just 3g for starters is stupid, as only a small minority will be looking to go 3g over edge in countries the iPhone is already out in. There will be an improved camera - 2mp is way too far behind all related technology like the iPhone is these days - GPS arguably will be added, but if it doesn't I hear a dongle will be out for it soon anyway, so it isn't a huge loss if GPS doesn't come with it - yet it would still be disappointing. As t0mat0 as said a few times I believe too, some really cool feature/s will come with the iPhone. It could be OLED, or it could be an unthought of one. I'm definitely looking forward to June 9th, never been this interested in a new gadget's release before, but t0mat0 has made me addicted to all this news Well done again

Ben

 

[t0mat0]

What I don't understand is the websites saying that there will only be subtle improvements to the iPhone.
<SNIP>
GPS arguably will be added, but if it doesn't I hear a dongle will be out for it soon anyway, so it isn't a huge loss if GPS doesn't come with it - yet it would still be disappointing.

Ben

I concur. It's the frisson from expectation and possible reality come 3 weeks. I think it would be a shame if GPS wasn't integrated - especially suckworthy as the poster makes reference to geolocation. We don't want to pay more thick wads of money over to a 3rd party just to get something Nokia has put in the N95 for years.


PS - Recheck P.S. I've re-edited my previous post N.B. NSFW youtube videos.

Touch may have already bolted*. If Apple is 1) Ahead, and 2) wanting to stay there, why wait? Gates is aping about dreams the goods Apple should be coming up with come June 9th.


* Dig the sideways S gesture for the console

 

[frosse]

Regarding GPS I personally believe that they will add it though maybe they like to stay with Googles GPS-ish feature...

GPS would be great

 

[t0mat0]

Quick thought - Has anyone heard any rumours about different models for different parts of the world (with different frequencies for their 3G?)
Just came from thinking about https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=5465365

4 weeks away, and no word on this?

 

[saladiro]

ok...good morning everyone from NY

just walked into work and am still a bit sleepy. I woke up this morning and my Blackberry had about 10 messages. (YES, I know, but I cant get rid of the BB until this iPhone comes out.....)

that being said, ..for starters, this Thread has been more then helpful and informative over the past few weeks, and I thank everyone (Mr T0mat0 by far…)......especially those experts who have patience for elementary questions for MAC beginners like myself....

….I actually have to start working, but if someone could be so kind and politely answer a few possible redundant questions (I glanced over the postings briefly) and help a buddy out…

I will try to make them simple as possible based on a few points that caught my mind

1) yes or no….the iphone will be in stores June 10th, (my assumption after its announced on the 9th) or will everyone run to the Apple store in a frenzy after the announcement

2) I hear rumors of "pre-ordering" how , when , where? Or will that be announced on the day of the speech?

3) new design…a tad bit bulkier to accommodate the 3G chip…..hmmm a bigger phone Iphone….is this correct? why

4) any idea of the major improvements….can I copy and paste?

Anything else I missed…..

 

[t0mat0]

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooood Mooooooooooorning New York.

1) In U.S. Stores, Apple over AT&T stores. By 9th/10th. Other stores for current carriers (e.g. O2) hopefully same time, but we'll only mutter disprovingly if Jobs drags his feet for a fortnight...

2) No need to pre-order if the phones are going to be in store on the 9th... For other countries, there might be pre-order. We'll see!

3) Well, if it's to add 16 more GB, GPS, and some more battery, would you feel so bad?

4) Yes. I think it would take the peees if it didn't have it. I imagine it was to get the best implementation (that and not that many real OS updates since launch!)

 

[saladiro]

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooood Mooooooooooorning New York.

1) In U.S. Stores, Apple over AT&T stores. By 9th/10th. Other stores for current carriers (e.g. O2) hopefully same time, but we'll only mutter disprovingly if Jobs drags his feet for a fortnight...

2) No need to pre-order if the phones are going to be in store on the 9th... For other countries, there might be pre-order. We'll see!

3) Well, if it's to add 16 more GB, GPS, and some more battery, would you feel so bad?

4) Yes. I think it would take the peees if it didn't have it. I imagine it was to get the best implementation (that and not that many real OS updates since launch!)

TVM.....
1) cool....any word on a subsidized plan by by AT&T

2) cool

3) wont feel so bad

 

[newyorksole]

BREAKING NEWS

www.infosyncworld.com

they report that the iPhone will be announced June 9 and on sale within the next 10 days. Making the ATT memo about not taking off June15-July15 believable.

 

[t0mat0]

BREAKING NEWS
www.infosyncworld.com

they report that the iPhone will be announced June 9 and on sale within the next 10 days. Making the ATT memo about not taking off June15-July15 believable.

I think Gizmodo broke it first (and this news goes against what they said...) What sort of source only leaks the dates, doesn't mention Gizmodo's information? Is interesting... need a minute to parse it.

P.S. I stand corrected on Apple's stance with leaks - (Doesn't get involved with intentional leaks, it keeps schtum unless needed. It keeps most in the dark. So carriers are the problem most likely. They like leaks I hear (and with their in-house magazines of upcoming phones I can see how now). )
Would Apple like to sell right up to June 9th? Well, they'd like to have sold more v1 iPhones I imagine. Just thought i'd point out the change in tack. Apple micromanages - a given. But the point is that it's public or not. (Leaking ain't good for a public company through unequal shareholder information I now understand).

Even though we were at a PR event for another carrier, launching a phone from another manufacturer, conversation inevitably turned to the Apple iPhone, and we happened to overhear some interesting details on the new iPhone's launch. We can't reveal our anonymous source, but needless to say infoSync World does not tread lightly on the rumor trail, so we wouldn't be publishing this tidbit if we didn't have a solid, honest source.

WWDC launch June 9th.

Our source claims that the 3G iPhone will be available about a week and a half later, around June 18th or 19th. We'd have a more concrete date, but the music at the event was so loud we couldn't be sure, and we didn't want to yell out this tasty tidbit over the thumping bass.

As mentioned -they overheard a conversation, and then misrepresent it by calling them a source.

Beyond that, we can only speculate about the features of the new 3G iPhone.

A bit in the making - What was hot last year, and how iPhone integrates several of these devices...

Time 2007
Top 10 gadget 1) = iPhone
2 - Nikon Coolpix S51C 8Mp camera (with wireless amongst other things)
3 - Netgear SPH200W Wi-Fi Skype Phone
4 - Palm Centro
5 - Sony Handycam HDR-CX7 6.1Mp to flash card for 1080HD
6 - Samsung P2 (video player)
7 - Toshiba Portégé R500-S5004 notebook
8 - FlyTech Dragonfly
9 - Iomega eGo Portable Hard Drive (160)GB
10- Belkin N1 Vision Wi-Fi Router

So that's iPhone, then a 8MP camera, VoIP phone, touch screen smart-phone, HD videocam, light notebook, flying toy, hard drive, and 801.11n router.

PC World Top 100 of 2006:
1 - Intel Core Duo
2 - AMD Athlon 64 X" Dual-core
3 - Craigslist
4 - Apple iPod Nano
5 - Seagate HD 160GB
6 - Google Earth
7 - Adobe Premiere Elements 2
8 - Canon EOS 30D 8Mp
9 - youtube
10 -Apple Boot Camp


Problems solved, problems created
Threads and pages about v1 iPhone problems are pretty much rebuked, but it takes a decent sit down to address each point. The forum activity seems to be in question mode right now. Any thoughts on potential problems with v2 iPhone (excluding tariff pricing)?

Vista vs Leopard & where Leopard is going with iPhone
We've talked about how iPhone will integrate more with Leopard, and OSX devices in general (Apple TV, laptops, desktops, HDTVs, other iPhones and Touch's.) and the integration and syncing area is another day's topic.

To share a recent zdnet blog:

"The greatest advantage of the Windows ecosystem is that there are so many choices. The biggest problem with the Windows ecosystem is that there are so many choices. Ironic, isn’t it?"
"All those choices give you a practically infinite number of hardware and software combinations. And that’s where the problems begin. All those choices also offer a correspondingly large chance of encountering problems from the unexpected interaction of parts that weren’t designed to be used together. That, in large part, is why Windows Vista has struggled for the past 18 months."

I think quite a few will agree. And Apple's walled garden/ecosystem whilst annoying in some ways, helps minimise the above problem - getting things to play nicely together.

Whilst Gates talks about improved collaboration & connectivity, hopefully Apple can tool up and deliver in the present. (Windows 7 - on track for 2010 - a main feature being new connectivity between mobile phone and the OS)
Apple now, mesh later?

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...to_adopt_intels_ultra_mobile_pc_platform.html


AT&T 3G
"AT&T has announced that it plans to roll out 3G service to 80 more cities in the US throughout 2008 bringing 3G to 350 leading U.S. markets, including top 100 U.S. cities. The company also said that it’s planning for the future of wireless broadband by “establishing a clear path to a 4G network”.

Another AT&T wireless spectrum, previously bought by the company, has received FCC approval. The 12MHz wireless spectrum, which covers 60% of the US and 196 million of the 303 million US residents, is in the highly sought after 700MHz band which can carry broadband signals with a wide footprint.

AT&T’s expansion of its 3G network can be attributed to the 3G Apple iPhone introduction ( due mid year ) but the 12MHz wireless spectrum purchase has fueled speculation that AT&T may be executing plans to introduce a nationwide wireless broadband network independent of the 3G network in anticipation of an unannounced Apple wireless product."

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/05/14/att.20mbps.3g.in.2009/


Kahney's book
On Jobs

Guglielmo: What's the main tenet of Jobs's thinking?

Kahney: That consumers want to buy computers, that design matters and that ease of use will win the day. For 20 years, evidence was telling him the opposite. But he stuck with it and he's been proven right.

Guglielmo: Is his obsession enough to keep Apple successful?

Kahney: A lot of other companies have these demands to get quickly to market, to get a product out there. They have tight schedules, deadlines, resources, and they're making decisions that make sense in the short term but aren't working in the long term. There are not many companies in tech that are taking the long-term view like Apple.
Apple won't release something until it's done: The iPhone took three years. They were under pressure to release some kind of cell phone almost as soon as the iPod came out. They took their time until they felt they could do it right.

(He seems to forget the previous craptastic phone Apple worked on which was a catalyst to work on the iPhone no doubt.)


PDAs - and other dinosaurs
For Microsoft, Office document support on the iPhone /maxi-iPhone, mini iTablet/iMID is a double bind. They won't necessarily enjoy porting to iPhone instead of keeping WM king. But too slow and they leave the iPhone wide open to Google's Office suite and Apple's suite of alternatives (which are great to use. Their Excel alternative is visually great...)

If Apple is making all these iPhones - why has Apple Computer Inc. has slashed its 2008 NAND order forecast ''and has informed suppliers that its demand growth will slow in 2008 compared to 2007,'' according to iSuppli. ?
http://eyeonapple.wordpress.com/page/5/

 

[TexasAg]

BREAKING NEWS

www.infosyncworld.com

they report that the iPhone will be announced June 9 and on sale within the next 10 days. Making the ATT memo about not taking off June15-July15 believable.

(a) Everyone has been speculating it would be announced at WWDC.
(b) The article basically makes it sound like they overheard other people talking, but then says they have a "reliable source."

 

[t0mat0]

Johnny Ive is alive

Claire Beale - Editor of "Campaign" seems a little self-promotional, but here's an interview with the style guru himself, Johhny CBE Ive

here

Jonathan Ive's studio in Cupertino
- Has 6 D&AD Black Pencils - creative awards. Yellow pencils can be career makers. But the elusive Black Pencil is a marker of creative genius.

2 are recent - (iMac, and iPhone respectively).


"The word design is everything and nothing. We think of design as not just the product's appearance, it's what the product is, how it works. The design and the product itself are inseparable."

Apple is unique, by being in the hardware and the software games; design permeates through everything. "We have a very clear focus that all the development teams at Apple share, a focus around trying to make really great products.

"That can sound ridiculously simplistic, almost naive, but it's very unique for the product to be what consumes you completely. And when I say the product I mean the product in its total sense, the hardware and the software, the complete experience that people will have. We push each other, we're very self-critical and we'll take the time to get the product right."

His motivation? "the focus on finding something that's better and new and that becomes self-perpetuating. As you discover something new, as you get to the point where you manage to do something that hasn't been done before or that other people have said it's not possible to do, I think that just feeds into the creative process."

"We don't have to take this great intuitive leap to understand the mythical concerns of our users, because we are the users."

"I'm not driven by making a cultural impact," he says. "That's just a consequence of taking a remarkably powerful technology and making it relevant.

"My goal is simply to try to make products that really are meaningful to people. Ultimately there is something motivating and inspiring in seeing someone using an Apple product and enjoying an Apple product."

Ive was nearing the end of his four-year industrial design course at Newcastle Polytechnic (now the University of Northumbria) when he first used a Mac. After years of combat with PCs, the instinctual Mac was a revelation.

"I remember it really clearly, the moment when I realised that technology could be accessible and intuitive. And I had a real clear sense of the people who made it: it speaks to their values and preoccupations. And that's what makes Apple a remarkable and unique company."

Two decades after that moment of epiphany, could he imagine working anywhere else now? Ive laughs, but his answer is emphatic. "No."

 

[Justinerator]

BREAKING NEWS

www.infosyncworld.com

they report that the iPhone will be announced June 9 and on sale within the next 10 days. Making the ATT memo about not taking off June15-July15 believable.

Not surprising at all, but the memo from AT&T is now apparently June 1st -July 15th. My idea is that this might mean it will be sold on the 9th or 10th, instead of a week or so later. Just letting you guys know!

Justin

 

[rockstarjoe]

Not surprising at all, but the memo from AT&T is now apparently June 1st -July 15th. My idea is that this might mean it will be sold on the 9th or 10th, instead of a week or so later. Just letting you guys know!

Justin

Where did you hear that the memo dates had changed? That would be interesting indeed!

 

[Justinerator]

Where did you hear that the memo dates had changed? That would be interesting indeed!

My best friend is the store manager in a local AT&T store, and I work there part time. I didn't get the memo, but all the full-time workers did, such as my friend. Can't wait!

 

[sananda]

Not surprising at all, but the memo from AT&T is now apparently June 1st -July 15th. My idea is that this might mean it will be sold on the 9th or 10th, instead of a week or so later. Just letting you guys know!

Justin

interesting! thanks for letting us know.

 

[wildcardd]

My best friend is the store manager in a local AT&T store, and I work there part time. I didn't get the memo, but all the full-time workers did, such as my friend. Can't wait!

Holy crap! Justinerator, don't hold back on (rumor)news like that! That is very interesting news indeed.

 

[saladiro]

question the 1st....

is this 3G iphone supposed to have OS2? (or am I totally speaking a different language)

Question the second...what is OS2?
what improvements will it have?

Question the 3rd....I like to prepare in advance, so can any one recommend a website that I can purchase a full body "skin". not one of the bulky rubber ones, but the very thin clear plastic type (I have one on my PDA that goes around the whole thing and no nicks...)

i know the new iPhone may have a slightly diff shape, but just want to be on top of those websites, when the release new 3G iphone accesssories...

 

[wildcardd]

is this 3G iphone supposed to have OS2? (or am I totally speaking a different language)

AKA firmware 2.0. Yes, or at least an interim firmware version until 2.0 is released.

Question the second...what is OS2?

2.0 is the firmware version 2.0. Current iPhones have 1.XX version running on them (1.14?). With the new improvements, they will rev the firmware to 2.0

what improvements will it have?

Native Microsoft Exchange support. Push email support for Exchange. Perhaps the biggest, game changing improvement is the ability to (purchase and) download apps for the phone. This is what the software developers kit was for, so software devs can make applications to run on the iphone without having to "jailbreak" them.

 

[Justinerator]

interesting! thanks for letting us know.

Holy crap! Justinerator, don't hold back on (rumor)news like that! That is very interesting news indeed.

Sure, no problem!

To Wildcardd, I'm truly sorry that wildcardd day didn't happen. Hopefully my news cheers you up a little.

 

[wildcardd]

Sure, no problem!

To Wildcardd, I'm truly sorry that wildcardd day didn't happen. Hopefully my news cheers you up a little.

Yes, yes it does cheer me up (as long as you are not yanking our chain).

No worries, Wildcardd day came and went without a "boom", but now we have t0mat0 Day to look forward to.

 

[saladiro]

AKA firmware 2.0. Yes, or at least an interim firmware version until 2.0 is released.



2.0 is the firmware version 2.0. Current iPhones have 1.XX version running on them (1.14?). With the new improvements, they will rev the firmware to 2.0


Native Microsoft Exchange support. Push email support for Exchange. Perhaps the biggest, game changing improvement is the ability to (purchase and) download apps for the phone. This is what the software developers kit was for, so software devs can make applications to run on the iphone without having to "jailbreak" them.

Awesome!!!!!!!!

 

[t0mat0]

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/05/21/att_says_3g_network_to_be_completed_by_june.html

AT&T's 3G is going to be bumped to HSDPA.

O2 - Get your act together you feet dragging, OFCOM fine waving inducing luddards*!!


*We like you really. Orange makes up weep tears of pain.


That "scoop" of announcement 9th, release 10 days later. Haven't we gone over this already? The guys overheard someone else's conversation, then called them a "solid, honest source".

Unless they mean overhear = listening to a conversation they were part of.

"We'd have a more concrete date, but the music at the event was so loud we couldn't be sure, and we didn't want to yell out this tasty tidbit over the thumping bass." BS - Sounds like eavesdropping to me...

Anyhow - and this got me laughing - if it was true, that'd mean no release at AT&T stores. So Apple could still sell in Apple stores. Make a contract with AT&T online?

How does this tally? If you take the perspective this is a leak from the carrier (AT&T) then why would they say this time gap exists?

 

[t0mat0]

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/05/21/att_says_3g_network_to_be_completed_by_june.html

AT&T's 3G is going to be bumped to HSDPA.

O2 - Get your act together you feet dragging, OFCOM fine waving inducing luddards*!!


*We like you really. Orange makes up weep tears of pain.


That "scoop" of announcement 9th, release 10 days later. Haven't we gone over this already? The guys overheard someone else's conversation, then called them a "solid, honest source".

Unless they mean overhear = listening to a conversation they were part of.

"We'd have a more concrete date, but the music at the event was so loud we couldn't be sure, and we didn't want to yell out this tasty tidbit over the thumping bass." BS - Sounds like eavesdropping to me...

Anyhow - and this got me laughing - if it was true, that'd mean no release at AT&T stores. So Apple could still sell in Apple stores. Make a contract with AT&T online?

How does this tally? If you take the perspective this is a leak from the carrier (AT&T) then why would they say this time gap exists?