It's basically a piece of material. I'd imagine as they're not an official Apple accessory company, that they won't know till we do. They'll probably have all the 3G iPhone pack info ready for the printers, and are ready to start cutting the material to the right sizes. They're shipping as soon as the specs are known i'd imagine.
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It's basically a piece of material. I'd imagine as they're not an official Apple accessory company, that they won't know till we do. They'll probably have all the 3G iPhone pack info ready for the printers, and are ready to start cutting the material to the right sizes. They're shipping as soon as the specs are known i'd imagine.
Last year At&t blocked out June 15-July 15 for the June 29 release of the iPhone. This year was June 15-July 12. As much as I hate to say it, iPhone 2 might not be out until the last week of June. 
Last year At&t blocked out June 15-July 15 for the June 29 release of the iPhone. This year was June 15-July 12. As much as I hate to say it, iPhone 2 might not be out until the last week of June.
I thought that there wasn't any decent confirmation about the dates? Ack, half the fun's the waiting
Heck - This has been longer than a birthday, Christmas and Lent combined.How to spot a Photoshop Job
From boingboing which is linking to the Scientific American article here. There are more technical ways, and if you google, i'd imagine there are many more. It'd be interesting to actually link to some in the climate of the pictures doing the rounds currently.
Cocoa
If you are looking to pass the time till tomorrow, I recommend reading the series from Arstechnica by Peter Bright:From Win32 to Cocoa: a Windows user's conversion to Mac OS X It's a look at the history and future of Windows and Mac OS from the perspective of a developer who "became disillusioned
with the Windows platform and was reinvigorated by the bright lights of Mac OS X".
A good read, and it really highlights how the iPhone is in a great position, and the background to the developers code side of things - where ObjC came from, it's good and bad points etc. Basically, Apple is offering an attractive platform. Robust APIs, tools are good (and getting better), design philosophy is coherent, & the platform as a whole has a direction. The refining of the experience for users and developers alike is continuing.
Part IV will look at how Microsoft could better its game.
Part I, part II, part III
Is it a unfair comparison he has of Cocoa with Win32? Possibly, but he does make the case that Windows is hamstrung by having to be back compatible for so much cruft. Is Cocoa best, is .net handicapped, or amazing? Have a read!
So Apple hasn't really updated anything in the run up to WWDC, but updated 2 for MWSF. Will there be annuoncements after WWDC, or do you all think that they'll be annouced within WWDC. Most recent update being the iMac 41 days ago. Will Apple ever update the ADCs?
GPS
24 hours - enough time to find out a bit more about the state of mobile phone GPS? So going thread by thread:
Started May 23 2008: No GPS in iPhone 3G (?)
OP started with a "leak" from "France Telecom insiders" relating to iPhone testing in France, regarding absence of GPS within the models they used. Article here
Saladinos makes the point:
Started Jun 4, 2008: Hope this is wrong... (no GPS)
Via an edit by BlueViolet, MacScoop
said "Sources who can be trusted" told MacScoop 3G iPhone "will lack built-in global positioning system (GPS) chip (and include the same old 2Mpixel digital camera)...."Unless there is a second super-secret higher-end model). The conflict in the article is immense. The author itself immediately points out that the 2 of the most requested features wouldn't be on if the sources are correct, and notes that there are conflicting reports from other "sources" in other articles. Author admits that "Apple could provide support for external GPS modules" (noting the current versions of OS 2.0 tidbits).
Should you temper your expectations of GPS? versus "never say never"
If there were at least 2 models, one with one without, then you'd have a step down compromise for the "no GPS" predictors.I think a lack of decent camera and GPS would give Nokia a hell of a lot of ammunition, as Virgil-TB2 points out. And Android sure would have fun ribbing Apple's lack of GPS. Also noted -
since when did lack of GPS indicate "best of class"? Steve Jobs is the chap who has been quoted to have said:
- Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower
- Be a yardstick of quality. Some people aren't used to an environment where excellence is expected.
- Design is not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works.
- There is no reason not to follow your heart.
- Your time is limited...Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.
So why lose out on the consumer and enterprise possibilities of GPS, when even an A-GPS chip could be easily thrown in? Jobs wants to do it right, but Apple can also do it in a step by step process. Apple had a camera in the iPhone when it came out, prior to recent postings for a camera engineer. Could the same be true with GPS and Apple's RF posting?
As G4R2 says:
(GR42's other comments are a bit innaccurate (in terms of A-GPS), but the quote stands).
Saladino points out:
NMEA (0183) is a spec for electrical and data comms between marine electronic devices (e.g. echo sounder, sonar, anemometer, gyrocompass, autopilot, GPS receivers etc.) Defined by and controlled by the US-based National Marine Electronics Association (hence NMEA
). The iPhone device emulator in the ~April version of the SDK indicates that I wonder if you could see if Apple has been allocated a Pxxx code?
Started June 7th 2008: 3G iPhone Hardware Supports Tri-band HSDPA and GPS?
From the Engadget claim that having info "from a reliable source" who apparently knows that a version of the 3G iPhone's firmware has been "released" and that it has been dissected. "While nothing is ever guaranteed" from this info the "autopsy", the purported specs point to
quad-band GSM support [like currently], A-GPS, tri-band UMTS/HSDPA. Which would make it one hell of a roaming iPhone!
So that's GSM 850/900/1800/1900 HSDPA 850/1900/2100. Same processor? We'll see. You can imagine that the waters could/have been muddied by having prototypes/demo models/mockups being reported. Who needs wooden boxes when you can use the current iPhone handset and pop the hardware feature you want to test in. (The iPhone I believe is underclocked anyhow, and some processing could be passed off to the Infineon SGOLD3 I imagine)
As Lepton points out:
No HSUPA chip? No 900MHz support? (australia?) No 802.11n? Sacrebleu
It could easily be a fake list[url], but it allows us to see what specs we might imagine an iPhone being made for 70 odd countries might have.Started June 6th 2008; https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/495564/]What if there is no GPS?
Not a real fan of this thread. Not entirely sure why we need another thread, to as the OP puts it, "speculate about the iphone more!"
As Merlosso says, the lack of GPS "would be a big hole in a very feature filled device." Built in navigation is redundant faster than the actual car. A phone or portable SatNav is much easier to swap out and update. (See the Microsoft monolith). kdarling notes that GPS "isn't just about navigation".
http://wmexperts.com/articles/gps_vs_agps_a_quick_tutorial.html - Any advance on this for GPS?
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Foxconn is manufacturing the iPhones apparently. Their strapline? "The art of more". That's getting on to ironical
Bits and bobs.
A-GPS
As kdarling says:
A-GPS by definition means there's a GPS receiver in the device. The "A" (Assisted) means that it can get assistance from a cell tower. Usually this is a first estimate of where you are, along with visible satellite information. The device then either does the rest of the calculations, or hands the GPS data back to the tower for a faster server to help it. In some cases, towers will use timing info to help triangulate the device. But there's always a GPS chip.
As gloss has said:
Tower triangulation ≠ aGPS
aGPS = GPS + tower triangulation
Google Maps isn't triangulation per se, but rather an etimated range circle from the information of which tower you're using. The Skyhook could do some triangulation if you could see >1 hotspot.
http://www.cio.com/article/159852/G...cation_Service_Uses_Cell_Towers_to_Find_Users
As AidenShaw points out:
Friday's Phone company buy outs
Vodafone's US joint venture Verizon Wireless wants rival Alltel in a $28bn deal that'll create the U.S.'s largest cellphone company.
If it goes ahead, Verizon would leapfrog AT&T - the market leader (with ~80 million US customers). Kinda dependent on regulatory approval.
Also - France Telecom, owner of Orange, has made a ~$40 billion offer for TeliaSonera which would if it went through boost France Telecom to world's 4th spot for customers worldwide apparently with >200 million customers.
Reminds me of Jon Stewart's take on Ma Bell on The Daily Show...
Where's the Core Animation?
Core Animation has been demoed by Apple, it's integrated a fair bit into OS X Leopard and OS iPhone. But where are the visualisations akin to what they demoed when they made the cover art buildings on the fly? (shown briefly here.) Dammit - Apple is just being a tease: http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/#mac
my guess is sometime during the course of this coming week. or maybe one of the fridays
I don't know if I can wait until the end of June. I've been waiting since last September when the iPod Touch came out. If anything, I'm hoping it's on or before June 20th.
Well, I look at it this way - some of us in the UK skipped the v1 iPhone, so we've been waiting since the initial announcement so that's 15 odd months. A few weeks can't harm us.
Anyway, once the keynote is in full swing, and once over, there will be plenty of Apple related things to keep us all occupied.
Boy Genius Report reports of Blackberry Thunder. And Lightning, oh so very very frightening.
The unlock key is a physical key? Why? A physical pause key on the edge of the phone, so when it's jostled it starts pausing the music? A call button, when it's a touchscreen? Same with the escape key? Not wanting to look like the iPhone, or having a phobia of feeling naked without enough buttons? (I count ~10 versus the current iPhone's what, 5?)
Does more buttons = more usable in this day and age? perhaps not
iPhone Simulator
Could you hook the iPhone simulator up, so it could be used remotely?
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1PM, it starts at 1PM, and you can follow the live blog, but the apple stream will be available whenever they put it up. sign up for the reminder which will email you when it does become avail.
It's easier to think in hours/minutes away - the frontpage of macrumors.com has you covered, and close to WWDC. the page will direct to http://www.macrumorslive.com/ near the keynote anyhow.
Electronic devices
Blimey - padlocked boxes in the safe? Cool. That or a cruel iPhone meme joke
Doesn't necessarily add any more credence to the pics put here
http://www.ilounge.com/
http://www.allthingsd.com
http://www.macrumorslive.com/
Arstechnica ramping up for a week of coverage of WWDC: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080608-ars-at-wwdc-08-live-coverage-developer-highlights.html
Techcrunch info here
You can get sms updates
http://theilife.com/wwdc08/
Electronic devices
Blimey - padlocked boxes in the safe? Cool. That or a cruel iPhone meme joke
Doesn't necessarily add any more credence to the pics put here
http://www.ilounge.com/
http://www.allthingsd.com
http://www.macrumorslive.com/
Arstechnica ramping up for a week of coverage of WWDC: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080608-ars-at-wwdc-08-live-coverage-developer-highlights.html
Techcrunch info here
You can get sms updates
http://theilife.com/wwdc08/
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THANK YOU t0mat0!!!!!!!!!!
As WWDC draws closer (only hours away now). I wanted to thank t0mat0 for his tireless work on this thread. I don't know when the man sleeps!
For several months now, we have been speculating on an announcement and release of this new phone. t0ma0 has kept us up to date with even the smallest of snippets of information.
Now as t0mat0 day draws near, I suppose this thread will just float away into the countless other pages of old posts.
I unfortunately will be traveling tomorrow, boarding a plane shortly after Steve's keynote begins. I am sure I will be posting as soon as I get to my hotel (of course I might have to make a stop to the local Apple store first ) So I wanted to get my Thank You t0mat0 in before this post gets locked or floats away (I would hate to be a bumper).
Thanks again T! Your work was much appreciated.
Hope to see the iPhone v3 speculation thread starting shortly after the keynote.
As WWDC draws closer (only hours away now). I wanted to thank t0mat0 for his tireless work on this thread. I don't know when the man sleeps!
For several months now, we have been speculating on an announcement and release of this new phone. t0ma0 has kept us up to date with even the smallest of snippets of information.
Now as t0mat0 day draws near, I suppose this thread will just float away into the countless other pages of old posts.
I unfortunately will be traveling tomorrow, boarding a plane shortly after Steve's keynote begins. I am sure I will be posting as soon as I get to my hotel (of course I might have to make a stop to the local Apple store first
) So I wanted to get my Thank You t0mat0 in before this post gets locked or floats away (I would hate to be a bumper).Thanks again T! Your work was much appreciated.
Hope to see the iPhone v3 speculation thread starting shortly after the keynote.
The thread will archive no doubt. Cheers for the support. I'm "just" finishing off the post a bit above about GPS. I got a good feeling about it. That, and this crazy idea about multi-touch pads by Apple hehe.
I'd recommend bookmarking the non-WWDC spoiler page for macrumors/wherever, so the first thing you see is the link to the keynote video, or maybe the full page of the blow by blow of the keynote. But if you can hit an Apple store, i'd imagine there'd be a decent atmosphere, and free net access to macrumors.
Another thread? What do you mean?
There's 17 hours left before even the WWDC keynote. There's a fair bit of time before the 3G iPhones land on shelves really. Maybe "& beyond" won't keep the thread running, but then tomorrow is another day...Edit: We so know Apple won't give us all we want, anticipate, expect or think possible. Good business sense not to hehe. There are already rumors about future versions, future models. (Seen this postfrom Scoble?
Sling on iPhone
Engadget reports that Sling only has a "per-alpha proof-of-concept" to show to them. So does that = beta, or gamma? "Apple hasn't officially accepted them into the developer program yet." video of it in action.
It raises the point again - to what degree is the vetting process from Apple's developer program slowing apps getting out there? Or is this a blocking move on Apple's part, so they can launch there own push into more Sling based areas? The degree of discrimination or non-discrimination of who gets into the program still awaits to be seen - a look at who has, come the WWDC, which show any large notable omissions. Sling is one. Gizmodo saw sling too]
WWDC Sessions
Those https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5489558/]unannounced sessions?
The unnammed WWDC Sessions
1 Tuesday Morning,
4 on Tuesday Afternoon,
4 on Wednesday Afternoon,
4 on Thursday morning
1 on Thursday Afternoon,
4 on Friday Morning,
2 on Friday Afternoon
All of them still not finalised.
Booyah. Edit: http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=45077 picks it up at 28 minutes.
As WWDC draws closer (only hours away now). I wanted to thank t0mat0 for his tireless work on this thread. I don't know when the man sleeps!
For several months now, we have been speculating on an announcement and release of this new phone. t0ma0 has kept us up to date with even the smallest of snippets of information.
Now as t0mat0 day draws near, I suppose this thread will just float away into the countless other pages of old posts...
...So I wanted to get my Thank You t0mat0 in before this post gets locked or floats away (I would hate to be a bumper).
Thanks again T! Your work was much appreciated.
Hope to see the iPhone v3 speculation thread starting shortly after the keynote.
I second what Jeff said. As a matter of fact, I couldn't have said it better myself! So once again, I'd like to say thanks so much, Tom, for making sure our we have enough information in this thread to overload our brains!
Cheers
Early morning reports from UK papers:
Gruadian
Times
Times' 1st June article:
Independent? Sweet FA. Metro? Nothing on their site.
FT:
this and this
Basically they'll break it on the web, but the announcement will be being written up as it comes through, to reach the paper version deadlines. The balance between posturing, reviewing, commenting, and not wanting to have copy that might look foolish in a few months time perhaps. Who'll drink the most Apple KoolAid?
The queue has begun at WWDC
http://theilife.com/2008/06/08/first-in-line-for-the-wwdc-2008-keynote/
Mossberg's 60 day prediction
engadget] [url=http://gizmodo.com/376519/walt-says-3g-iphone-coming-in-60-days]Gizmodo
Ran out this weekend just gone. So today, which is also curiously WWDC, is when 3G comes as per Mossberg. Perhaps, he later denied the claim. So is that announce, or go on sale? - Walt's saying the iPhone will be capable of 3G.
http://walt.allthingsd.com/
and a valid point here Jobs can run a company, and help turn it around.
(See the Wired bingo cards head nodding this!)
Wired: http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wireless/news/2008/06/iphone_smartphones
http://seekingalpha.com/article/80312-apple-no-3g-iphone-at-the-wwdc (Remembering they quoted this article with no critical eye - http://gigaom.com/2008/05/30/the-new-iphones-new-winner/ )
Feature sets: http://www.zacharybass.com/2008/06/...feature-set-will-satisfy-apple-investors.html
Actual sale dates for iPhone
Estimates now a little further away, as predicted by some. It'll converge to the date Apple has
Front page news.
Macrumorslive.com
I await the service - Anyone else find it audacious to have Blackberry adverts on there? hehe. Least the Instinct won't really upset the iPhone interest.
macrumors' iPhone forum
Looks like the 9am all hands on deck has started - I count 6 already. I have a feeling the lock/wasteland count might be higher than yesterday!
Last few possible thoughts on potential products?
Having seen dropbox.com, it kinda makes you wonder why Apple can't do this. Why Time Machine can't backup iPhone. A better link between Time Machine/Capsule, and .mac, and iPhone and Macs. .Mac changing name, but also purpose and or direction, less platform specific, so Windows PC users can get more out of their iPod, Touch iPhone, and create an incentive to get an Apple laptop for example.
Could the iPhone be used as a modem? Possibly. Syncing will be big at WWDC, that there is little doubt. Enterprise demands and consumer demands cross fertiliser the other area - both do well out of it if Apple can meet expectations from both "camps". E.g. remote wipping is useful to both. Apps are useful to both, GPS could be useful to both. etc.
Wonder what Dvorak will make all of this. Field day of spitting feathers no doubt !
(Previous points included known problems like call quality, reception, SMS messages, MMS etc. Some are less reasoned - "It's complicated to dial". It is currently "missing all sorts of features that are basically assumed to be in most high-end multimedia phones nowadays." and 3G iPhone will be kept to this standard i'd imagine. PCMAG.com are a hard bunch to please...
B]Container ships full of them[/B]
What's them? If Apple's been "delayed" - then what's in them there containers, in those boxes at distribution depots, and has been accumulating for distribution since what, March-April? All the more curious.
Apple's happy enough to do a separate announcement about new versions, with the iMacs being a recent example - but doesn't rumor have it that the laptops are getting a big update, and the iPods could get a big change too? (e.g. touch to the nano, classic etc)
Early morning reports from UK papers:
Gruadian
Times
Times' 1st June article:
Independent? Sweet FA. Metro? Nothing on their site.
FT:
this and this
Basically they'll break it on the web, but the announcement will be being written up as it comes through, to reach the paper version deadlines. The balance between posturing, reviewing, commenting, and not wanting to have copy that might look foolish in a few months time perhaps. Who'll drink the most Apple KoolAid?
The queue has begun at WWDC
http://theilife.com/2008/06/08/first-in-line-for-the-wwdc-2008-keynote/
Mossberg's 60 day prediction
engadget] [url=http://gizmodo.com/376519/walt-says-3g-iphone-coming-in-60-days]Gizmodo
Ran out this weekend just gone. So today, which is also curiously WWDC, is when 3G comes as per Mossberg. Perhaps, he later denied the claim. So is that announce, or go on sale? - Walt's saying the iPhone will be capable of 3G.
http://walt.allthingsd.com/
and a valid point here Jobs can run a company, and help turn it around.
(See the Wired bingo cards head nodding this!)
Wired: http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wireless/news/2008/06/iphone_smartphones
http://seekingalpha.com/article/80312-apple-no-3g-iphone-at-the-wwdc (Remembering they quoted this article with no critical eye - http://gigaom.com/2008/05/30/the-new-iphones-new-winner/ )
Feature sets: http://www.zacharybass.com/2008/06/...feature-set-will-satisfy-apple-investors.html
Actual sale dates for iPhone
Estimates now a little further away, as predicted by some. It'll converge to the date Apple has
Front page news.
Macrumorslive.com
I await the service - Anyone else find it audacious to have Blackberry adverts on there? hehe. Least the Instinct won't really upset the iPhone interest.
macrumors' iPhone forum
Looks like the 9am all hands on deck has started - I count 6 already. I have a feeling the lock/wasteland count might be higher than yesterday!
Last few possible thoughts on potential products?
Having seen dropbox.com, it kinda makes you wonder why Apple can't do this. Why Time Machine can't backup iPhone. A better link between Time Machine/Capsule, and .mac, and iPhone and Macs. .Mac changing name, but also purpose and or direction, less platform specific, so Windows PC users can get more out of their iPod, Touch iPhone, and create an incentive to get an Apple laptop for example.
Could the iPhone be used as a modem? Possibly. Syncing will be big at WWDC, that there is little doubt. Enterprise demands and consumer demands cross fertiliser the other area - both do well out of it if Apple can meet expectations from both "camps". E.g. remote wipping is useful to both. Apps are useful to both, GPS could be useful to both. etc.
Wonder what Dvorak will make all of this. Field day of spitting feathers no doubt !
(Previous points included known problems like call quality, reception, SMS messages, MMS etc. Some are less reasoned - "It's complicated to dial". It is currently "missing all sorts of features that are basically assumed to be in most high-end multimedia phones nowadays." and 3G iPhone will be kept to this standard i'd imagine. PCMAG.com are a hard bunch to please...
B]Container ships full of them[/B]
What's them? If Apple's been "delayed" - then what's in them there containers, in those boxes at distribution depots, and has been accumulating for distribution since what, March-April? All the more curious.
Apple's happy enough to do a separate announcement about new versions, with the iMacs being a recent example - but doesn't rumor have it that the laptops are getting a big update, and the iPods could get a big change too? (e.g. touch to the nano, classic etc)
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I would also like to say thanks to t0mat0 for his amazing amount of info put in this thread. So a big thank you and looking forward to 6pm tonight How long do these events usually last as well? Haven't really followed one much before, is it around an hour, or more like 2?
How long do these events usually last as well? Haven't really followed one much before, is it around an hour, or more like 2?I would also like to say thanks to t0mat0 for his amazing amount of info put in this thread. So a big thank you and looking forward to 6pm tonight
Man I love the way Firefox 3 RC2 works. To answer your question -
keynote is scheduled for 10am to 11:45 as per here
(UK 6pm to 7:45pm lunch till 10pm)
http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedules/#day=monday&time=morning then state of the unions at 2 onwards. There will be a lot to go through from 11:45am Cupertino time at the WWDC. The gawk pics and first hands on no doubt of anything shown at the keynote (iPhones in boxes, plastic rotating chambers, on tables, whatever).
WWDC itself lasts all week till mid afternoon Cupertino time on Friday (with 2 unannounced sessions as previously mentioned ) thrown in for good measure.
Cool thanks, so is there a chance the iPhone might actually not be announced today but announced at the last possible day/moment?
It will be announced and demoed today. That or a stock slump so large you'd wonder if Jobs was shorting AAPL
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow
9to5mac has an interesting theory. Let's not diss it straight off.
Why would Apple call 10.6 Snow Leopard? The name (Uncia Uncia, I love it (on a par with Gorilla Gorrila for ease of remembering)) is similar to Leopard and apparently so far the rumors are saying it'd be primarily about
Why would they use a name that connotates similarity with Leopard
Is Snow Leopard the name of the OS on the iPhone? Or is it as 9to5mac makes out:
And if it was tablets, what would be the differentiators? Touch or multi-touch? An OS mid way between iPhone and OSX Leopard?
'Sources who have sources' like
TUAW got the "scoop" and
[url=http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/06/04/mac-os-x-10-6-code-named-snow-leopard-may-be-pure-cocoa]Arstechnica followed up:
Mac OS X 10.6 code named Snow Leopard, may be pure Cocoa By Jacqui Cheng
Is the security and stability a nod towards enterprise and consumers alike? Are they going to create a whole .x update and make customers pay for stability and security that presumably is thus lacking a bit in Leopard? Performance, speed and stability. Hmmm.
Daring Fireball has a better take. And also this:
For the majority, the bridges supposedly indicate platforms - iPhone, and Mac (OS iPhone, OSX Leopard), so why not indicate any other platform? Or they could indicate geolocation, GPS. Or they could just indicate it's a big event in Apple history, epic in it's magnitude. Or they're going to have a landmark shift in hardware, software, ethos, markets, OS, UI, or other. The symbolism of the bridges might only really become clear what they mean until after the keynote. I for one, just like the tease.
Maybe we don't have to consult our power animals
(Where's a macrumors artist when you need one?
) We'll see. Good odds perchance on a demo of what's cooking in the OS pots at Cupertino anyhow.Pics - UMA
UK has updated page - is that, a new ADC? Guessing not...
Count the macs.
WHere to watch whilst keynote in progress: http://www.listropolis.com/2008/06/wwdc-roundup-33-ways-to-watch-wwdc/
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The keynote is not enough time - there will be more announcements over WWDC
First of all, a big big big thank you to macrumors - the macrumorslive.com feed was GREAT The column was just the right size (Gizmodo was a bit too wide, but a complimentary feed, and different pictures )
*Bear in Mind: 10:08 am Talking about the iPhone this morning.
This hints that other stuff, it there is some, won't be in the keynote, but possibly in WWDC. e.g. 10.6 Snow Leopard is confirmed - talking about it later on in the afternoon
B]iPhone 2.0[/B]
Enterprise
Enterprise
Harvard, Caltech, Duke, Texas, Washington, PennState, Dartmouth, John Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, NY University, Stanford, Chicago amongst others.
SDK
Core Services
Cocoa Touch
Interface Builder
Address Book API within the SDK - can use to access contacts & the Core Location API to make an app that show contacts within a 10 mile radius.
Apps
Is jobs dragging it on a bit? hehe. Key developers come up:
Note - the apps are being shown on v1 iPhones which is a nice touch - they're showing that it's open for all iPhones currently available it seems. Plus it is building up a *lot* of buildup to cut to the chase already!
- Sega with Super Monkey Ball now with >100 levels. $9.99
- eBay auction app made in 5 weeks. Free
- Loopt - Location aware social network - shows you where your friends are. Free
- TypePad - Native app for simple blogging/uploading photos.
- AP app - Mobile News Network - RSS feed?
- Enigmo - physics-based puzzle game $9.99
- Cromag Ralley - 3D caveman racing game. Mario Kart + neanderthals $9.99
- Cow Terry - Instrument emulator (Pianos, drums, automated blues) (Recording looping & more)
- MLB.com's "At Bat" Shows that day's games with live, detailed scoring. Includes real-time video highlights, (delivered right after the play) but not the game.
- Modality - Epocrates (shown in SDK) - Anatomy learner. a GREAT looking app with potential "Google Maps for your intestines| (ALD)
- MIMvista - Medical imaging data viewing app - e.g. CT, PET scan
(images can be rendered in 3D live too).
- Digital Legends made a rough app in 2 weeks - a 3D fantasy adventure game, ready by September. A demo of how far you can get in
About 1 hour after the start of the keynote: Finally we stop with the info on apps, and Apple reiterates that background processes aren't good for performance or battery life. So APple is using Push notification (which also stands for GPS email etc).
So Apple is dealing with it. Functionality won't be available until September. THAT is an ominous sign as of 7pm BST
End user features
Contact search with live searching
Full iWork document support - Cool
Complete support for Office documents (Word, Excel, PowerPoint) - Cool
Bulk delete & move for messages
Ability to to save images you get
New calculator with scientific mode
Parental controls
Good language support
"These are all some of the new features in the iPhone 2.0 software."
1 hour 12 minutes in and we're hearing about calculators??
iPhone 2.0
Available early July. Free for iPhone owners, $9.99 for iPod Touch owners.
App Store
Wireless download support, automatic updates, developer sets the price (& keep 70% of revenue), FairPlay wrapped, no charge to anyone for free apps, available to start in 62 countries.
Enterprise can distribute apps to just their employees phones, distributable through enterprise intranet.
Ad Hoc distribution - ? Up to 100 authorized iPhones
mobileme
Exchange for the rest of us.
Push email, contacts, calendars.
Everything stays in sync between iPhone, Mac, PC.
Data (photos, mail, contacts, calendar) sync'd automatically both ways. Cool.
Works over the air, changes displayed immediately.
Works with Mail, iCal, Address Book on Mac. Works with Outlook on Windows
Me.com has iDisk integrated.
Calendar has typical time views
Contacts have Google map integration, lists, live search
Mail has resizable panes, multiple messages selection ability, quick reply in-line.
Gallery like iPhoto
iDisk allows files to be sent to people right through the app - [This is cool - somehow the iPhone must therefore have non transparent file directory - you'd have to be able to find all these data files on the iPhone (not picked up by TDL)]
*mobileme available in early July along with iPhone 2.0*
iPhone 3G
1st Birthday
Great customer satisfaction ratings, browsing levels, email usage, text messaging levels
3G Booyah!
Thinner, Black plastic back, solid metal buttons, same display, camera, flush headphone jack, dramatically improved audio.
Enterprise support
3rd party application support
Battery life
-> 300 hours of standby
-> 2G talk-time= 10 hours (from 5)
-> 3G talk time = 5 hours of 3G talk-time ("most phones have 3 hours)
-> High speed browsing = 5-6 hours of high-speed browsing
-> 7 hours of video
-> 24 hours of audio
GPS Booyah! "iPhone can do tracking."
Countries - 70 odd i'd say
Maximum price around the world is $199 USD
16GB - $299 with white version available
8GB - $199
Available July 11th in 22 countries
Conclusion & hardware checklist
Filter search in contacts - check
Contact book with huge capacity - >1,000,000
iPhone -
3G - Actual type
GPS - YES - ? what sort
HSDPA - ?
Front facing cam - No
iChat - ?
Video conferencing - No?
Fixed the poor call quality?
Copy and Paste - ????
Push notification - September
The 3G iPhone is the one more thing?. Ouch
Quotes
"After working with hundreds of other mobile devices, developing for the iPhone is a breath of fresh air. The hardware is stable and full-featured while the software development tools are intuitive and represent a level of polish rarely seen in the mobile arena" Johnathan Mobile Engineering, The Walt Disney Company
"We really like the Xcode development environment...it blows away everything we've worked with from RIM!" Director Mobile Product Development FOX Interactive Media
"You're witnessing the birth of a third major computer platform: Windows, Mac OSX, iPhone" David Pogue , New York Times
They haven't underlaunched - people have hyped them too much I guess.
Thoughts
September for push notification?
No copy and paste?
A big wait till July
Aple has more to come hoipefull, and the Snow Leopard is a decent demo.
First of all, a big big big thank you to macrumors - the macrumorslive.com feed was GREAT
The column was just the right size (Gizmodo was a bit too wide, but a complimentary feed, and different pictures )*Bear in Mind: 10:08 am Talking about the iPhone this morning.
This hints that other stuff, it there is some, won't be in the keynote, but possibly in WWDC. e.g. 10.6 Snow Leopard is confirmed - talking about it later on in the afternoon
B]iPhone 2.0[/B]
- Enterprise
- SDK
- End-user features
Enterprise
Enterprise
- For the beta 25,000 applied, 4,000 let in.
- 35% of Fortune 500 participated with the beta program for Enterprise
- Top 5 Commercial Banks
- Top 5 Securities Firms
- 6 of 7 top Airlines
- 8 of 10 Pharmaceuticals
- 8 of 10 Entertainment
Harvard, Caltech, Duke, Texas, Washington, PennState, Dartmouth, John Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, NY University, Stanford, Chicago amongst others.
- Microsoft Exchange
- Push email / contacts / calendars / auto-discovery
- Global address book
- Remote wipe
- WPA/WPA Enterprise
- 802.1x authentication
- EAP (TLS, TTLS, FAST)
- LEAP
- PEAPc0 PEAPv1
SDK
Core Services
Cocoa Touch
Interface Builder
Address Book API within the SDK - can use to access contacts & the Core Location API to make an app that show contacts within a 10 mile radius.
Apps
Is jobs dragging it on a bit? hehe. Key developers come up:
Note - the apps are being shown on v1 iPhones which is a nice touch - they're showing that it's open for all iPhones currently available it seems. Plus it is building up a *lot* of buildup to cut to the chase already!
- Sega with Super Monkey Ball now with >100 levels. $9.99
- eBay auction app made in 5 weeks. Free
- Loopt - Location aware social network - shows you where your friends are. Free
- TypePad - Native app for simple blogging/uploading photos.
- AP app - Mobile News Network - RSS feed?
- Enigmo - physics-based puzzle game $9.99
- Cromag Ralley - 3D caveman racing game. Mario Kart + neanderthals $9.99
- Cow Terry - Instrument emulator (Pianos, drums, automated blues) (Recording looping & more)
- MLB.com's "At Bat" Shows that day's games with live, detailed scoring. Includes real-time video highlights, (delivered right after the play) but not the game.
- Modality - Epocrates (shown in SDK) - Anatomy learner. a GREAT looking app with potential "Google Maps for your intestines| (ALD)
- MIMvista - Medical imaging data viewing app - e.g. CT, PET scan
(images can be rendered in 3D live too).
- Digital Legends made a rough app in 2 weeks - a 3D fantasy adventure game, ready by September. A demo of how far you can get in
About 1 hour after the start of the keynote: Finally we stop with the info on apps, and Apple reiterates that background processes aren't good for performance or battery life. So APple is using Push notification (which also stands for GPS email etc).
So Apple is dealing with it. Functionality won't be available until September. THAT is an ominous sign as of 7pm BST
End user features
Contact search with live searching
Full iWork document support - Cool
Complete support for Office documents (Word, Excel, PowerPoint) - Cool
Bulk delete & move for messages
Ability to to save images you get
New calculator with scientific mode
Parental controls
Good language support
"These are all some of the new features in the iPhone 2.0 software."
1 hour 12 minutes in and we're hearing about calculators??
iPhone 2.0
Available early July. Free for iPhone owners, $9.99 for iPod Touch owners.
App Store
Wireless download support, automatic updates, developer sets the price (& keep 70% of revenue), FairPlay wrapped, no charge to anyone for free apps, available to start in 62 countries.
Enterprise can distribute apps to just their employees phones, distributable through enterprise intranet.
Ad Hoc distribution - ? Up to 100 authorized iPhones
mobileme
Exchange for the rest of us.
Push email, contacts, calendars.
Everything stays in sync between iPhone, Mac, PC.
Data (photos, mail, contacts, calendar) sync'd automatically both ways. Cool.
Works over the air, changes displayed immediately.
Works with Mail, iCal, Address Book on Mac. Works with Outlook on Windows
Me.com has iDisk integrated.
Calendar has typical time views
Contacts have Google map integration, lists, live search
Mail has resizable panes, multiple messages selection ability, quick reply in-line.
Gallery like iPhoto
iDisk allows files to be sent to people right through the app - [This is cool - somehow the iPhone must therefore have non transparent file directory - you'd have to be able to find all these data files on the iPhone (not picked up by TDL)]
*mobileme available in early July along with iPhone 2.0*
iPhone 3G
1st Birthday
Great customer satisfaction ratings, browsing levels, email usage, text messaging levels
3G Booyah!
Thinner, Black plastic back, solid metal buttons, same display, camera, flush headphone jack, dramatically improved audio.
Enterprise support
3rd party application support
Battery life
-> 300 hours of standby
-> 2G talk-time= 10 hours (from 5)
-> 3G talk time = 5 hours of 3G talk-time ("most phones have 3 hours)
-> High speed browsing = 5-6 hours of high-speed browsing
-> 7 hours of video
-> 24 hours of audio
GPS Booyah! "iPhone can do tracking."
Countries - 70 odd i'd say
Maximum price around the world is $199 USD
16GB - $299 with white version available
8GB - $199
Available July 11th in 22 countries
Conclusion & hardware checklist
Filter search in contacts - check
Contact book with huge capacity - >1,000,000
iPhone -
3G - Actual type
GPS - YES - ? what sort
HSDPA - ?
Front facing cam - No
iChat - ?
Video conferencing - No?
Fixed the poor call quality?
Copy and Paste - ????
Push notification - September
The 3G iPhone is the one more thing?. Ouch
Quotes
"After working with hundreds of other mobile devices, developing for the iPhone is a breath of fresh air. The hardware is stable and full-featured while the software development tools are intuitive and represent a level of polish rarely seen in the mobile arena" Johnathan Mobile Engineering, The Walt Disney Company
"We really like the Xcode development environment...it blows away everything we've worked with from RIM!" Director Mobile Product Development FOX Interactive Media
"You're witnessing the birth of a third major computer platform: Windows, Mac OSX, iPhone" David Pogue , New York Times
They haven't underlaunched - people have hyped them too much I guess.
Thoughts
September for push notification?
No copy and paste?
A big wait till July
Aple has more to come hoipefull, and the Snow Leopard is a decent demo.
Specs are up on Apple.com
They could change the specs prior to July 11 release
No 32 GB version, only 8GB and 16GB
UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
Wi-Fi (802.11b/g)
Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR
"Get directions.
Get directions to wherever from wherever. View turn-by-turn directions or watch your progress with live GPS tracking."
"See traffic. Maps on iPhone shows you live traffic information, indicating traffic speed along your route in easy-to-read green, red, and yellow highlights."
"Find yourself.iPhone 3G finds your location via GPS or by triangulating your position using Wi-Fi and cellular towers. It also finds points of interest by keyword: Search for “coffee” and iPhone shows you every cafe nearby. Learn more"
Height: 4.5 inches (115.5 mm)
Width: 2.4 inches (62.1 mm)
Depth: 0.48 inch (12.3 mm)
Weight: 4.7 ounces (133 grams)
3.5-inch (diagonal) widescreen Multi-Touch display
480-by-320-pixel resolution at 163 ppi
Talk time:4
Up to 5 hours on 3G
Up to 10 hours on 2G
Standby time: Up to 300 hours5
Internet use:
Up to 5 hours on 3G6
Up to 6 hours on Wi-Fi7
Video playback: Up to 7 hours8
2.0 megapixels ??
Photo geotagging
iPhone 3G Dock
Get fast access to USB charging, syncing, and audio out with the iPhone 3G Dock. Even conduct speakerphone calls when your iPhone is in the dock.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/appstore.html for more features etc
App Store Coming
I think Apple is doing only iPhone over the keynote. Seeing as they've said they're demoing Snow Leopard, I think that they're really pacing them selves. That or it's a bomb of a WWDC.
Do the 3G iPhones actually exist? Are there demo models? Could they spring more suprises come July 11th?
E.g. Flash for the camera.
A hint of this will be if they post specs or not, and whether they have any handsets available to look at/ try out.
The Unnamed sessions aren't yet announced - still watch with interest.
e.g. http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedules/#day=wednesday&time=afternoon
This is just the start of WWDC.
I'm guessing Mossberg hasn't tried it yet then perhaps?
Now on Apple.com: "Twice as fast, half the price" July 11. I think they could spring another model come July 11. Or add new features. It'd be interesting to see if *any* 3G models are shown on the floor of WWDC. They are announced but not yet for sale, so it might be possible.
I think they're pacing things out. Explains the firmware too! The announcement made may not be feature complete - they may announce more come July 11. Or not. So then the thoughts turn to: What WERE in those containers? lol
They could change the specs prior to July 11 release
No 32 GB version, only 8GB and 16GB
UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
Wi-Fi (802.11b/g)
Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR
From here
"Get directions.
Get directions to wherever from wherever. View turn-by-turn directions or watch your progress with live GPS tracking."
"See traffic. Maps on iPhone shows you live traffic information, indicating traffic speed along your route in easy-to-read green, red, and yellow highlights."
"Find yourself.iPhone 3G finds your location via GPS or by triangulating your position using Wi-Fi and cellular towers. It also finds points of interest by keyword: Search for “coffee” and iPhone shows you every cafe nearby. Learn more"
Height: 4.5 inches (115.5 mm)
Width: 2.4 inches (62.1 mm)
Depth: 0.48 inch (12.3 mm)
Weight: 4.7 ounces (133 grams)
3.5-inch (diagonal) widescreen Multi-Touch display
480-by-320-pixel resolution at 163 ppi
Talk time:4
Up to 5 hours on 3G
Up to 10 hours on 2G
Standby time: Up to 300 hours5
Internet use:
Up to 5 hours on 3G6
Up to 6 hours on Wi-Fi7
Video playback: Up to 7 hours8
2.0 megapixels ??
Photo geotagging
iPhone 3G Dock
Get fast access to USB charging, syncing, and audio out with the iPhone 3G Dock. Even conduct speakerphone calls when your iPhone is in the dock.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/appstore.html for more features etc
App Store Coming
I think Apple is doing only iPhone over the keynote. Seeing as they've said they're demoing Snow Leopard, I think that they're really pacing them selves. That or it's a bomb of a WWDC.
Do the 3G iPhones actually exist? Are there demo models? Could they spring more suprises come July 11th?
E.g. Flash for the camera.
A hint of this will be if they post specs or not, and whether they have any handsets available to look at/ try out.
The Unnamed sessions aren't yet announced - still watch with interest.
e.g. http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedules/#day=wednesday&time=afternoon
This is just the start of WWDC.
I'm guessing Mossberg hasn't tried it yet then perhaps?
Now on Apple.com: "Twice as fast, half the price" July 11. I think they could spring another model come July 11. Or add new features. It'd be interesting to see if *any* 3G models are shown on the floor of WWDC. They are announced but not yet for sale, so it might be possible.
I think they're pacing things out. Explains the firmware too! The announcement made may not be feature complete - they may announce more come July 11. Or not. So then the thoughts turn to: What WERE in those containers?
lol
price=cheaper (he said because of its price, not as many people bought it) 199 and 299 8 and 16GB respectively
f-f cam= not gonna happen this time around ismy guess...
I'm going to study overseas in the fall and want to get a 3G iPhone to take with me out there. Do you think I'll get some crazy a** bill if I leave my phone on over there? I heard some horrendous stories from people leaving their phones on overseas with shocking bills at the end of the month.
Just from the keynote - Who When Where What How Much
So there you have it - this threads got some more legs - it ain't over till July 11th! I'll throw up any WWDC info that comes up. I'm not sure I want to watch the keynote before some more substance of product comes out from WWDC.
Who - Apple
Where - 22 countries
What - 3G iPhone
When - July 11
How - Apple Stores, & carrier stores presumably
How much- Maximum price around the world is $199 USD, 16GB - $299 with white version available, 8GB - $199
A-GPS confirmed. 3G confirmed. No details on specs of either - so, as the product is not yet launched, these specs could be subject to change. We'll have to see. Till that time, we want Snow Leopard information, ACDs, and our damned one more thing!
And you thought the ending of MWSF was a semi lit squib! What we effectively got was a PREVIEW. I wonder which rival handsets will be getting their phones to market prior to July 11?
What are the boxes for carriers about to be opened June 10th?
So there you have it - this threads got some more legs - it ain't over till July 11th! I'll throw up any WWDC info that comes up. I'm not sure I want to watch the keynote before some more substance of product comes out from WWDC.
Who - Apple
Where - 22 countries
What - 3G iPhone
When - July 11
How - Apple Stores, & carrier stores presumably
How much- Maximum price around the world is $199 USD, 16GB - $299 with white version available, 8GB - $199
A-GPS confirmed. 3G confirmed. No details on specs of either - so, as the product is not yet launched, these specs could be subject to change. We'll have to see. Till that time, we want Snow Leopard information, ACDs, and our damned one more thing!
And you thought the ending of MWSF was a semi lit squib! What we effectively got was a PREVIEW. I wonder which rival handsets will be getting their phones to market prior to July 11?
What are the boxes for carriers about to be opened June 10th?
