I agree, two different sizes would be too confusing for the typical apple consumer. Just let it be one size fits all!
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3G iPhone: Thinner, Thicker, or Both?
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I agree, two different sizes would be too confusing for the typical apple consumer. Just let it be one size fits all!
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What would be funny is if a new iPhone is not announced on June 9.
What would be funny is if a new iPhone is not announced on June 9.
Ok, here is a theory about the battery life. Perhaps it is true that the iphone will have a better battery life, but that is only if you have 3G and GPS off. That makes total sense to me.
As for the different models:
I seriously doubt they will introduce 4 models. The only way i can see 3 models if the capacity of them is 8GB, 16GB and 32GB. I can easily see them eliminating the 8GB because it will give Apple some good talking points. Aside from all the innovations they made in the previous version, but if Apple can say that the iphone comes with at least 16GB which is more than nearly all the phones on the market that sets them apart fast. It would be a great talking point. Also GPS and 3G will be included in all the versions because this phone isn't just about the U.S. it is also all the other countries who for the most part rely on 3G i.e. Europe. GPS is becoming a standard feature on all RIM phones these days and if they are aiming to cut into their market as the subsidies suggest then GPS is a must in all models, plus it seems fitting since the current iphone already employs pseudo GPS, why not kick it up a notch? It makes complete sense that they would go ahead and do that. As for size, based upon my previous assumptions above i feel the size of the iphone will in fact be 22% thinner. This gives Apple yet another talking point as they say it is as thin if not thinner than it's major competitors and that it is that thin still packing all of these capabilities, which would be quite an accomplishment. It would be similar to the introduction of the MBA where SJ was raving about how they nearly packed all that regular notebooks have in to an incredibly thin package. Thinnovation is the way of Apple recently, and it seems fitting they should employ the same in the iphone. I even expect the new macbooks to see a cut in size as well. As for prices i am thinking $399 for 16GB and $499 for 32GB. perhaps 8GB $150?...i don't know about that one.
As for the different models:
I seriously doubt they will introduce 4 models. The only way i can see 3 models if the capacity of them is 8GB, 16GB and 32GB. I can easily see them eliminating the 8GB because it will give Apple some good talking points. Aside from all the innovations they made in the previous version, but if Apple can say that the iphone comes with at least 16GB which is more than nearly all the phones on the market that sets them apart fast. It would be a great talking point. Also GPS and 3G will be included in all the versions because this phone isn't just about the U.S. it is also all the other countries who for the most part rely on 3G i.e. Europe. GPS is becoming a standard feature on all RIM phones these days and if they are aiming to cut into their market as the subsidies suggest then GPS is a must in all models, plus it seems fitting since the current iphone already employs pseudo GPS, why not kick it up a notch? It makes complete sense that they would go ahead and do that. As for size, based upon my previous assumptions above i feel the size of the iphone will in fact be 22% thinner. This gives Apple yet another talking point as they say it is as thin if not thinner than it's major competitors and that it is that thin still packing all of these capabilities, which would be quite an accomplishment. It would be similar to the introduction of the MBA where SJ was raving about how they nearly packed all that regular notebooks have in to an incredibly thin package. Thinnovation is the way of Apple recently, and it seems fitting they should employ the same in the iphone. I even expect the new macbooks to see a cut in size as well. As for prices i am thinking $399 for 16GB and $499 for 32GB. perhaps 8GB $150?...i don't know about that one.
Thick, thin - who cares! Does no one else find it interesting that iPhone mobile providers are being announced in numerous territories world wide that previously did not have legal iPhone markets.
June 9th will not only see the release of the next gen 3G iPhone, but I'm guessing it will be followed with a world wide roll out from all the mobile providers. This will be the global launch of the iPhone!
I just hope apple has manufactured enough units, 'cus demand is going to be epic.
June 9th will not only see the release of the next gen 3G iPhone, but I'm guessing it will be followed with a world wide roll out from all the mobile providers. This will be the global launch of the iPhone!
I just hope apple has manufactured enough units, 'cus demand is going to be epic.
All new iPhones will have GPS. The difference in size is due to batteries. The "thick" ones will be marketed toward the younger more gamer types requiring more battery power. The thinner , longer battery life ones will be geared toward the enterprise crowd who won't be interested in the gaming part thus allowing for a smaller battery footprint yet longer life.
A $200 subsidy, but only if ...
Would it seem that AT&T offers a $200 subsidy only if the iPhone were to be unlocked or available from other carriers? If the iPhone can only be used at AT&T, and is subsidized, then the retail price is meaningless, and the iPhone is instantly "devalued" to the subsidy price. I mean, why pay, let's say $399 or $499 retail, for a phone that can't be used anywhere? If discounting of an Apple product, in this case, every Apple iPhone sold in the U.S., were to happen, the biggest news on June 9 won't be the iPhone, it will be that the existing branding and marketing strategy of Apple -- that of never discounting products below the established retail price -- has been forever altered.
Would it seem that AT&T offers a $200 subsidy only if the iPhone were to be unlocked or available from other carriers? If the iPhone can only be used at AT&T, and is subsidized, then the retail price is meaningless, and the iPhone is instantly "devalued" to the subsidy price. I mean, why pay, let's say $399 or $499 retail, for a phone that can't be used anywhere? If discounting of an Apple product, in this case, every Apple iPhone sold in the U.S., were to happen, the biggest news on June 9 won't be the iPhone, it will be that the existing branding and marketing strategy of Apple -- that of never discounting products below the established retail price -- has been forever altered.
Yeah, but that was to accommodate a bigger hard drive. Would a 16gb flash chip have a significant size difference to a 8gb flash chip?
and also, apple has a history of leaving out things to accommodate size and battery life, so I'm confident that if gps or 3g or anything else had any noticeable effect on that (they obviously burn battery life, but maybe there are better, more modern batteries), then jobs might not include it. that being said, i think the technology is there to have an iphone of at largest, the same size as the current model, with 3g and gps. I doubt the battery will be any better than it is now, but will be comparable.
If the Samsung Blackjack II can have GPS, why can't the iPhone? The iPhone and the Blackjack are basically about the same size. I put my Blackjack I up to my friend's iPhone, and they are the same size in thickness, length, and width.
well, perhaps not. But the 32GB iPod Touch uses two 16GB chips rather than one 32GB chip... so it could simply be the addition of a 2nd 16GB chip, which would take up more space.
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All this talk of wanting "thickness" and "thiness" makes me think of sir-mix-a-lot's, baby got back song.
BUT!! with an iphone twist to the lyrics.
Even the thread title says it all: 3Giphone: Thinner, Thicker or Both?
I want all the thickness Jobs and co. will fit into this mama. This Big Mama of OS X touch technology.
BUT!! with an iphone twist to the lyrics.
Even the thread title says it all: 3Giphone: Thinner, Thicker or Both?
I want all the thickness Jobs and co. will fit into this mama. This Big Mama of OS X touch technology.
That reminds me of the SouthPark with Cartman and the Wii. At least the democratic primary is over tomrrow - there will be one less thing to be thinking about..
I have a hard time thinking they'd have two seperate designs, the thickness thing is understandable - maybe the battery is a bit bigger for better life, but I would expect a 32GB iPhone to be $599 and no higher. There is a risk however that with subsidies, Apple will increase their prices to compensate, a $699 32GB iPhone looks "reasonable" at 499, but its tough to justify 2.5x the price when compared to a $199 8GB phone.
I've mentioned it before, if Apple cuts the base price (forget about subsidies for a minute) they'll need to cut the price of the Touch. IMO, I wouldnt be surprised if we see the 8GB touch to go to 250, and the others get $100 cuts when the iPhone is introduced next week.
the final rumor
Well alrighty then. Safe to say with this nicely consolidated, finely-written and thoroughly researched rumor we have OFFICIALLY exhausted every possible configuration of iPhone v2. Surely we've covered all bases such that NOTHING will surprise us come June 9, right? And yanno it kinda downgrades my anticipation and excitement over the unveiling, so instead of being, like, "Wow!," on that day I'll just let loose a subdued, "Oh yeah, ok, that's exactly how such 'n such on macrumors.com said it would be...," and, quite frankly, feeling this way is gonna suck!
So if ya don't mind, Mr. Site owner/editor, can you just like disable your website until June 9?? Because there really truly isn't anything else left to reveal. Seriously.
Well alrighty then. Safe to say with this nicely consolidated, finely-written and thoroughly researched rumor we have OFFICIALLY exhausted every possible configuration of iPhone v2. Surely we've covered all bases such that NOTHING will surprise us come June 9, right? And yanno it kinda downgrades my anticipation and excitement over the unveiling, so instead of being, like, "Wow!," on that day I'll just let loose a subdued, "Oh yeah, ok, that's exactly how such 'n such on macrumors.com said it would be...," and, quite frankly, feeling this way is gonna suck!
So if ya don't mind, Mr. Site owner/editor, can you just like disable your website until June 9?? Because there really truly isn't anything else left to reveal. Seriously.
All of this started to dawn on me with the rumor of the $199 phone a couple days ago... and now this is all sounding pretty legit that there will be two versions.
It just seems LUDICROUS for me to buy a thicker iPhone as my 2nd model... But the features, oh boy do I love features.
Why must apple give us the gift of free will... two iphones to choose from??? Apple hath taketh away iPhone 1... Why must apple giveth iphone2a and iphone2b. Please Steve, tell me which to buy, I do not want a choiceth.
It just seems LUDICROUS for me to buy a thicker iPhone as my 2nd model... But the features, oh boy do I love features.
Why must apple give us the gift of free will... two iphones to choose from??? Apple hath taketh away iPhone 1... Why must apple giveth iphone2a and iphone2b. Please Steve, tell me which to buy, I do not want a choiceth.
Oh come on. Where's the fun in that attitude?
For as often as the rumor sites get things right, they just as often completely miss the big things and frequently get enough details wrong to where it's still a surprise. I'm still anticipating a big surprise to explain all the conflicting Mac Mini is dead/revamped/renamed/redesigned rumors. I think there's something in all that that isn't yet fully explained.
I'm assuming you didn't frequent rumors sites in the Think Secret era. Think Secret was pretty much stealing Steve's thunder on everything--and occasionally being sued for it too.
I think where all missing 2 things
Will in be 3g or HSPDA or both I will have 3G but HSPDA would rock. Yes we have that in Australia pity its run by telstra
Secondly will it have wireless sync with my mac, I really hate cables
Ill mention a 3rd colour face plates that are replaceable and therefore you could have user replaceable batterys??
Will in be 3g or HSPDA or both I will have 3G but HSPDA would rock. Yes we have that in Australia pity its run by telstra
Secondly will it have wireless sync with my mac, I really hate cables
Ill mention a 3rd colour face plates that are replaceable and therefore you could have user replaceable batterys??
The defining component for the thickness of the phone is the camera module.
The thinnest phone with 5 megapixels, autofocus and a flash is 11.5mm. (It also has a second camera, a touch screen and HSDPA is in there too - and it has plenty of room for extras and a bigger battery) - Samsung F480 and F490
If they are releasing a 9mm version, then it's most likely a 3 megapixel one.
They could release one version with a low end camera and one with a high end camera that's thicker.
All four of our 3G networks in Australia have HSDPA and have had it for a long time. Optus and Vodafone have officially announced the iPhone for the (2100MHz coverage area of) their HSDPA networks. The device is likely to be 850/2100MHz dual band. Don't count on it being 900MHz HSDPA as we're a couple of years ahead of Europe and Asia in rolling it out.
Of course the iPhone will have 3G/HSDPA, no non-US network would want to strain their 2G network with this device, or invest more in their old 2G network to expand its capacity. There is sooo much spare capacity on the 3G networks and little on the 2G ones. Remember the work AT&T put into their EDGE network pre launch just for the iPhone??
The thinnest phone with 5 megapixels, autofocus and a flash is 11.5mm. (It also has a second camera, a touch screen and HSDPA is in there too - and it has plenty of room for extras and a bigger battery) - Samsung F480 and F490
If they are releasing a 9mm version, then it's most likely a 3 megapixel one.
They could release one version with a low end camera and one with a high end camera that's thicker.
All four of our 3G networks in Australia have HSDPA and have had it for a long time. Optus and Vodafone have officially announced the iPhone for the (2100MHz coverage area of) their HSDPA networks. The device is likely to be 850/2100MHz dual band. Don't count on it being 900MHz HSDPA as we're a couple of years ahead of Europe and Asia in rolling it out.
Of course the iPhone will have 3G/HSDPA, no non-US network would want to strain their 2G network with this device, or invest more in their old 2G network to expand its capacity. There is sooo much spare capacity on the 3G networks and little on the 2G ones. Remember the work AT&T put into their EDGE network pre launch just for the iPhone??
i didnt know that i thought telstra was it for hspda. but they defiantly have the biggest coverage and fastest. which is a bugger for me im in the bush a fair bit of the time and have no vodafone coverage. but i hear optus is putting a load more stations in to cover near home so lets hope their network is quick
This is actually an interesting idea... Maybe a way to break into the Enterprise market? Perhaps apple will give the 'Pro' version the ability to more easily interface with corporate e-mail system securely as well as differences in hardware. I don't think a differentiated iPhone line is out of the question. iPods have been in two separate lines since the Mini... The Minis and Nanos for the most part, were differentiated from their traditional iPod counterparts by hardware differences, i.e. storage size. The question is how will the iPhones be differentiated? It could be based on form factor, but touch capabilities require a pretty good sized screen and I can't imagine apple shrinking it down or expanding it too much. Storage could differentiate it, but since both versions would be on flash chips, it doesn't make as much difference as iPod vs. Nano differences. I guess this leads me to think that the software for the two versions could be different.
I think there are just too many possibilities... we'll just have to wait and see!
They use an 850MHz network which is the reason for the extra range - those long wavelengths travel much further. Most of the others are on 1900MHz or 2100MHz.
Optus is currently spending a crapload to bring a NextG competitor style network covering 98%+ of the population at 900MHz and at the speeds we will expect from a high speed 3G network.