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Just thought it was a pro device, that’s all. 🤷‍♂️

No, "Pro" is merely label to denote an iPhone having a certain set of features. It's not tailored for cinematographers who shoot commercial films you might see in a movie theater.

Similarly, Apple Powerbeats Pro earbuds are not designed for sound engineers and music producers. "Pro" is simply a label. And nothing more.
 
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I personally hardly ever shoot video, but I would never shoot a non-RAW photo for example. Why throw away any image information that you might need later. Most videos have bright sky, sun or dark shadows. The human eye can quickly adjust to whatever it looks at, but if a camera films highlights and shadows at the same time, it either needs HDR, a log profile or RAW, which gives you the most power in editing. I would rather use 1080p RAW than 4K without RAW.
Your not throwing away anything? Do you know what compression is?

You would rather shoot 1080p RAW than 4k without RAW? What is your end goal in post?

What happens if you shoot uncompressed 4k to 1080 ProRes?
 
In all the recent macrumor articles they really omitted a crap load of features on the regular 14 and 14 plus that the pros are getting. I’m surprised they’re giving them at least some of the upgraded camera features/lenses. I wanted to trade in my back up regular 13 to put an iPhone 14 plus in that position(sold my primary 13 pro max and getting the 14 pro max next week). I do think that the plus being much lighter than the max is a good feature though. But the plus price point of $900 makes it weird to be only a $100 difference compared to a base 6.1 pro
Curious what’s your use case that you expense a whole new current Gen secondary iPhone as backup….and how often you actually have to resort to this backup iPhone?

I genuinely feel I am a heavy iPhone user, it’s my personal and business phone, and I’m on calls, group sms and replying to emails 10 hours a day, been my main runner for years, currently on the iPhone 11 Pro Max, going for the 14 pro max this year, however I haven’t had any situations in the past 8 years where I’ve needed to keep a backup, so I usually offload my current one to someone in my circle rather than trading it in.
 
Yes and both of those movies are not very good. Just because a pro uses the iPhone to shoot a movie doesn't mean it was a good choice. He used the iPhone as a publicity stunt to get some interest in his otherwise crappy movies. He could have grabbed just about any DSLR camera or better and his movies would have looked better and would have likely been easier to shoot. He focused too much on the hey lets force the iPhone to work instead of just focusing on the story and talent. He used the iPhone as the star and to generate buzz.

Of course they are more convenient but since when has film making being solely about convenience? You talk about autofocus, stabilization and battery life all of which are not a concern at all in Hollywood. No decent film maker would ever use autofocus unless they were shooting a wedding. Plenty of much better stabilization tools out there for any camera. Stabilization on the iPhone only goes so far and many still end up using a gimbal or something else like a tripod. Not every video has to be hand held. A lot of Hollywood production shots use a tripod and it blows my mind that so many "film makers" today don't want to use a tripod anymore. Stop moving that camera around like its underwear is on fire and let the scene and subjects tell the story.

As for battery life there are dozens of solutions around that. I use a Sony battery with an affordable plate and DC cable that gets me 3 hours on the P4k. There are plenty of other solutions including V-mount for longer run times. Speaking of battery what happens when your iPhone battery dies? Do you swap it out for another battery? Nope. You likely need to use an external power solution just like you do on the P4k. My Sony battery solution is super portable and gives me 3 hours of runtime. I have four of those batteries which can be swapped out in seconds. I'm not sure what cheap 3rd party batteries you are using but I get easily 40 minutes on the P4k with the internal battery. Thats still not great but there are so many external power solutions out there. The iPhone doesn't have unlimited power either and its power is being drawn throughout the day with other tasks like phone calls, checking email and so forth. iPhones are not known for amazing battery life to begin with but use it on a video production and that battery is going to go fast.

My SSD is super light weight and compact and attaches right to the camera. Nobody and I mean nobody minds the external SSD solution on the BMD cameras. Its an absolute non issue. Plus we can swap out the 1TB, 2TB or 4TB SSD within seconds if we fill it up. The iPhone you have to hook it up to a computer and spend time transferring. That means you likely need a computer with you on the production. You might be able to use a wifi drive to transfer to but that seems a bit risky to me and you need wifi in order for it to work. Good luck getting wifi in the middle of the woods on a all day shoot. Plus the Pocket cameras can record to SD or C-Fast card as well. If you truly want to be very portable. Cards that again can be swapped out in seconds.

So no I don't buy the when you need to get the job done fast argument. What kind of job would require that kind of speed to be able to shoot within seconds? Yes if I'm getting a fun moment of my daughter the iPhone works fine for that and I'm not going to hunt down my P4k or DSLR to capture a random sudden fun moment but then again those are not professional scenarios. Those are personal situations and yes the iPhone can be very nice for stuff like that. I use it as well at times. Beats missing the moment entirely because I had to spend a few minutes setting up the P4k. If I am on a shoot however my cameras are setup and ready to go at a moments notice. The BMD camera do lack AF and stabilization but there are hybrid cameras out there much better suited for that kind of work anyway. Canon, Sony, Panasonic, Nikon, Fuji all have very affordable options that shoot great photos and video with autofocus and 5 axis stabilization.

not quite. the movies he shot warranted an iPhone.

"But Soderbergh said the challenge was gaining access to real-life locations that embodied an affluent world, while for a small, nimble production, Soderbergh felt the advantages of the iPhone outweighed the image fidelity of an ARRI or RED cameras that cost a hundred times more."

“The iPhone still seemed to me a pretty natural fit for that approach,” said Soderbergh. “It still is, in my mind, in terms of the scale of it, the speed that was necessary to execute it, in the time we had allotted.”

For Soderbergh, it was all about the iPhone’s size — specifically the ability to get the shot he wants in tight quarters. In “Unsane” when space got particularly tight, he would just tape the iPhone to the wall to get the frame he wanted.

“I could point out many shots in ‘High Flying Bird’ where using a more traditional approach with normal-size cameras would have been extremely difficult, if not impossible, to do,” said Soderbergh. “To get the lens where I want, or to be moving in a way that I want to move and, you know, have the camera reach multiple destinations without either somebody getting hurt, or the shot being compromised because of the size of the equipment. So, it seemed like a natural fit to me.”

“We’re in a very narrow path, we’re moving very quickly, and then as they sort of peel off from us, we sort of move away from them, and he goes into his office, and the camera sort of retreats,” said Soderbergh.”With a normal size dolly, which weighs 350 pounds, that becomes dangerous, potentially. Like, somebody could get hurt. And being able to take the corner to start to separate from them the way that we did… we could have been there for hours.”

Instead, Soderbergh sat in a wheelchair, holding the iPhone using a six-inch, $200 stabilizer (the DJI Osmo), his hand/arm functioning like mini-crane. It’s an image more evocative of undergrad student filmmaker than an Oscar-winning director with 30 features under his belt. And yet it’s an aesthetic decision completely consistent with the trajectory of Soderbergh’s career, especially since he permanently took over cinematography duties on his films under the alias Peter Andrews (his father’s first and middle name) in 2000.

considering steven soderbergh was retired, he was likely sick of the traditional ways of shooting a movie and needed something faster and less frustrating

“‘I don’t want to wait on the tool, the tool should wait on me,’” said Soderbergh, quoting Orson Welles. “I get very frustrated when it takes a long time to execute it. Like, as soon as I feel it, I want to shoot it. And so, that’s one of the biggest benefits of this method — the time from the idea to seeing an iteration of it is incredibly short, like, a minute, like, maybe less. For me, the energy that that creates on set, and I think on screen, is huge.”

i'm sure partly is due to the press he'll get, but the iPhone was absolutely warranted.

your extra solutions to make BMPCC work is exactly the reason why Steven decided to shoot on iPhone.

regarding battery: considering it takes only minutes to get the shot on the iPhone compared to hours on the big cameras, battery isn't much of an issue as you're not taking that long to shoot the scene.
 
No, "Pro" is merely label to denote an iPhone having a certain set of features. It's not tailored for cinematographers who shoot commercial films you might see in a movie theater.

Similarly, Apple Powerbeats Pro earbuds are not designed for sound engineers and music producers. "Pro" is simply a label. And nothing more.
Oh. Thanks for splaining marketing to me.

Doesn’t change that iPhone went from a groundbreaking device at $500 to $1100 to get “the goods”. Guess I’m just amateur.
 
Why people didn't whine when they introduced OIS in the Max models and not the smaller Pro models? how is this impacting the Pro status of the device? I think the storage requirement is a important thing because people would be upset if half their device got filled in 10 minute video.

You would end up spending double the money upgrading if you like it after all.

Just like OIS required the purchase of the MAX model, the ProRes require purchase of 256.....but majority don't care for it, or aren't going to be using it anyway, so 128GB for all the other PRO features vs non-pro model makes it worth the upgrade.
 
Curious what’s your use case that you expense a whole new current Gen secondary iPhone as backup….and how often you actually have to resort to this backup iPhone?

I genuinely feel I am a heavy iPhone user, it’s my personal and business phone, and I’m on calls, group sms and replying to emails 10 hours a day, been my main runner for years, currently on the iPhone 11 Pro Max, going for the 14 pro max this year, however I haven’t had any situations in the past 8 years where I’ve needed to keep a backup, so I usually offload my current one to someone in my circle rather than trading it in.
I use a secondary phone where I can remain relatively anonymous because my primary phone has my official business and family contacts. I use it to test betas. I use it when my primary phone is low on battery and I can throw it in a charger and use the back up. I like gadgets and I can have two different form factors like last year I had an iPhone 13 promax and a regular 13 so I have the benefit of a bigger and a smaller phone. I sold the 13 promax a week or so ago for $900 and I’m putting that towards a iPhone 14 pro max 256 GB. And although it’s not necessary on a whim I would like to get a new back up and I’m thinking of the base iPhone 14+, although it’s the same size as the promax it’s like 38 grams lighter with aluminum sides. I have Verizon prepaid with 16GB of data on each phone. For both phones my total is 70$ a month. It’s an awesome setup.
 
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Exactly. More likely the 2TB model.

Point was that the camera sensor you were crapping on is and has been deemed good enough for that situation.
Lol good enough with studio lighting light any modern sensor, but nothing compared to a RED especially in the dark.
 
Stop shilling for a company that can care less if you get cancer and die tomorrow.
I am not shilling for anyone. I posted an honest comment. There is nothing immoral about offering 128GB. Just because you don't like that 256GB isn't the base model, that doesn't mean Apple is doing something immoral. Apple has stated in plain sight about the 128GB and 4K pro-res. Not getting what you expect is far different than Apple delivering what is stated. The former is not taking to anything immoral. It is you simply being unhappy with 128GB base. That, in and of itself means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Apple hasn't broken any law nor have they lied or deceived anyone on this matter. If they had, those claiming Apple is doing wrong would have merit. As it stands, there are a lot of people throwing statements around without any merit past their own false expectations. And further more, those ranting and raving about this would carry a modicum of strength if said people weren't stocked with Apple products and going to buy more.

Words have proper meanings and it is time people on MR started using them, instead of throwing words out of context against the wall of complaint hopping it sticks and others join in on the empty word bandwagon.
 
Stop shilling for a company that can care less if you get cancer and die tomorrow.
That’s about all of them, so what’s your point? Other than no one can have an honestly different opinion. Everyone who does not agree with you must be a shill. Frankly, the vehemence with which you are complaining about this is completely out of proportion to what is a fairly trivial issue in the grand scheme of life.
 
people asking for 256 GB min, do you understand that Apple has to increase price ? it is not going to be free ?
you are making phone expensive for people who doesn't want to use ProRes.

This is like government mandating that all phones and tablets should be water resistant and complaining that they are expensive.
Let market decide what a business sells.
 
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I think at this point the cost for Apple to put a 128GB chip or a 256GB chip into their phone is about the same. The only reason they still keep that 128GB around could be that with inflation, if they want to keep their profit up, they would have to bring the price of their phone up. They known that people would probably go for the 256GB regardless, so they just put the 128GB out there at the original price for marketing purposes.
I think at this point the cost for Apple to put a 128GB chip or a 256GB chip into their phone is about the same.
you should be working at Apple and show them how this is possible, may be they don't know how to do this.
 
And still stuck in 2014 with usb 2.0 speeds as well as their crappy lightning connector.
i have never transfered anything using a lightning in last 8 years.
very few people transfer using lightning.
i sync to iCloud, and sync io my mac.
 
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Storage options aside. If they want bragging rights to have ProRes and Raw then they need to support the bandwidth that goes along with larger file size and storage. That means the latest in WiFi 6 and USB C/Thunderbolt instead they neuter what should be basic and focus on vacuous features. It communicates to me they think little of their customers as pro. Apple's innovation is customer entrapment not capability.
32 GB RAM for faster transfer speeds, ethernet port would be better than WiFi 6.
 
More ridiculous the fact that in order to transfer these massive video files you still have to use USB 2.0 Lightning or have to rely on wifi.
How many people want to use ProRes to shoot professional videos here, there are so many complaints about this, are you all making TV Shows/Movies/Youtube influencer videos using iPhones now ?
 
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Are you a major Apple stockholder or employee? Otherwise I don’t know why an user would cheer for this. Weird mentality to wish one's company of choice increase their profit by screwing consumers.
most of the people invested in S&P 500 want Apple stock price to go up.
almost every mutual fund has Apple stock in top 10 stocks.
i want Apple stock to go up.
 
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