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Millions seem to disagree with you.

There's that Apple arrogance again - just because people (like myself) buy an iPhone it doesn't mean they think it's perfect, and they're rapidly getting less perfect with each successive generation. We all buy things that are "ok" but do a good enough job, it doesn't mean we think everything we buy is flawless. Samsung are currently making better phones on pretty much every parameter one may care to measure, Apple is clinging on due to the eco-system but it's not going to be enough if they keep on showing lack of effort.

I've owned the iPhone 3G, 4, 5 and 6, I'm due my next upgrade in September, I may well move away from Apple - I WANT to stay but unlike some I won't just buy any old crap when other, better options are available. Many feel as I do and they're half the people commenting in threads like this.
 
There's that Apple arrogance again - just because people (like myself) buy an iPhone it doesn't mean they think it's perfect, and they're rapidly getting less perfect with each successive generation. We all buy things that are "ok" but do a good enough job, it doesn't mean we think everything we buy is flawless. Samsung are currently making better phones on pretty much every parameter one may care to measure, Apple is clinging on due to the eco-system but it's not going to be enough if they keep on showing lack of effort.

I've owned the iPhone 3G, 4, 5 and 6, I'm due my next upgrade in September, I may well move away from Apple - I WANT to stay but unlike some I won't just buy any old crap when other, better options are available. Many feel as I do and they're half the people commenting in threads like this.
Maybe do nothing, keep your handset an extra 12 months and get a sim only plan that works out cheaper.
Late 2017 is where it will be at.

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I just hope they have a better pink option. Rose gold is ok ... but I want *PINK*!
Oh so close!

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But you are hiding the essence of the device!

That is a nice phrase, thanks!
Actually for many people the device's essence is not its exterior.
My essential questions are: how well and elegantly does it accomplish what I bought it for.
If it's beautiful - that's an added bonus.

October 2017 is my focus.
I hope you will not be disappointed. A special 10th anniversary phone is merely vague rumour & wishful thinking amongst some apple fans. It just might have a bigger camera bump, quadrophonic speaker-system and be much much thinner :)

And some million, billion, trillions seem to agree with me.
 
Nope, didn't forget.

While the iPhone SE is Apple's "budget" phone starting at $399, at 326 ppi it is hardly "low resolution," as you stated previously. Want/need higher resolution for some reason? No worries, simply purchase Apple's flagship phone.

You still don't seem to understand that CPU and GPU speed/features drive overall phone performance far beyond moving pixels around on high resolution displays. The low end 4" iPhone 7 will benefit from a faster/newer CPU and GPU.
Yup, that's low resolution. It's 2016 not 2010. You don't seem to understand that we are already at the point where every flagship SoC can provide a zippy UI.

Well, every SoC that doesn't have to do any stupid resolution scaling like the 6+. If you want to argue that the 6S+ needed a much faster GPU because the UI needed it that's an entirely different conversation that begins and ends with Apple's stupid resolution scaling.
 
There's that Apple arrogance again - just because people (like myself) buy an iPhone it doesn't mean they think it's perfect, and they're rapidly getting less perfect with each successive generation. We all buy things that are "ok" but do a good enough job, it doesn't mean we think everything we buy is flawless. Samsung are currently making better phones on pretty much every parameter one may care to measure, Apple is clinging on due to the eco-system but it's not going to be enough if they keep on showing lack of effort.

I've owned the iPhone 3G, 4, 5 and 6, I'm due my next upgrade in September, I may well move away from Apple - I WANT to stay but unlike some I won't just buy any old crap when other, better options are available. Many feel as I do and they're half the people commenting in threads like this.
The design doesn't make it old crap, only old design. Everything else is new, and probably better performing than the competition..
 
And there's the issue many have with fragmentation. The iPhone + models are huge (and judging by the competition they're more "huge" than they should be for what's in them), most wouldn't take issue with paying the same price for a phone-sized phone with all the flagship toys and specs.

Apple's + phones are large to accommodate the display people want, and with a larger battery for greater usage per charge. A win-win in customer satisfaction. I get two days of use on my 6+. Apple tries to strike the right balance of features/performance and battery life for a given phone size.

What will be "missing" inside the upcoming iPhone 7 making it otherwise larger than necessary? I suspect the A-series processor will continue to smoke the competition in performance as it has in the past.

Some people would pay more for a full feature SE. But that negates the purpose of the SE, i.e. introducing a budget $399 phone that will sell well in areas of the world that are much more cost-conscious, getting traction in new markets. Yes, Apple could add a fourth phone that would have the features and toys in the 4" size, but at a premium price, but I don't see them doing that. It would certainly get the "fragmentation" people frothed up even more.
 
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There's that Apple arrogance again - just because people (like myself) buy an iPhone it doesn't mean they think it's perfect, and they're rapidly getting less perfect with each successive generation. We all buy things that are "ok" but do a good enough job, it doesn't mean we think everything we buy is flawless.

I'd suggest to you that most people who have an iphone just use it instead of thinking about it.
The vast majority of people are not interested in tech, phones, market shares, innovation, samsung vs apple, screen resolution etc. They have other stuff on their minds.
They wanted a smartphone, they bought an iphone because of marketing or recommendation.
They're not thinking about whether it is "flawless" or "perfect" - it's just a thing they own and use for everyday work and fun stuff.
If it does not give trouble (crashes etc) they don't think about it.
If battery is wanting: they'll get external battery, they see many samsung users have external batteries too, so I doubt they'll switch because of that.
They're not thinking about camera bumps, they don't talk about antenna lines.
If the 3.5mm jack disappears: they'll plug their old headset into an adapter and forget about it, or use new lightning headphones.
 
Yup, that's low resolution. It's 2016 not 2010. You don't seem to understand that we are already at the point where every flagship SoC can provide a zippy UI.

Well, every SoC that doesn't have to do any stupid resolution scaling like the 6+. If you want to argue that the 6S+ needed a much faster GPU because the UI needed it that's an entirely different conversation that begins and ends with Apple's stupid resolution scaling.

No issues if you want to call that low resolution - carry on. It is a budget phone - that's the point. For $399 you don't get the best tech. Surely it won't win any "my phone is more bad ass than yours" heated debates at high school lunch tables. For most people outside of that realm, 326 ppi is just fine for its intended use - a budget phone that works and performs well.

You still don't understand how a faster CPU/GPU can benefit a phone with a lower resolution display. It's not all about moving pixels around, or, as you stated above, handling UI tasks.
 
I'd suggest to you that most people who have an iphone just use it instead of thinking about it.
The vast majority of people are not interested in tech, phones, market shares, innovation, samsung vs apple, screen resolution etc. They have other stuff on their minds.
They wanted a smartphone, they bought an iphone because of marketing or recommendation.
They're not thinking about whether it is "flawless" or "perfect" - it's just a thing they own and use for everyday work and fun stuff.
If it does not give trouble (crashes etc) they don't think about it.
If battery is wanting: they'll get external battery, they see many samsung users have external batteries too, so I doubt they'll switch because of that.
They're not thinking about camera bumps, they don't talk about antenna lines.
If the 3.5mm jack disappears: they'll plug their old headset into an adapter and forget about it, or use new lightning headphones.

And this survey seems to support that:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986
 
Yes, very easy to play the superiority card isn't it? Again, no response to the actual points I'd made, typical politicians answer when presented with a point they can't easily argue.

Maybe MacRumors could do a poll - Do people like the new, leaked iPhone 7 design or would they prefer it thicker with a flush camera and larger battery. The results might be a surprise for some...

No need to do a poll when it's clear the people who visit MR are not representative of actual real-world buyers.
 
Why?

As a photographer I want a dual camera phone - making photographs is important to me.

If that simply cannot fit, due to camera module size, in a 4.7" phone, why should I be penalized by not being able to buy a dual camera phone in a larger phone size due to your arbitrary (and rather selfish) rule?

"they better"

Or else what?

You should use a proper camera then, if your a professional photographer you wouldn't use a cell phone camera unless it's on a night out or something. Why should I be penalised for liking a small phone? It's the same argument. My comment was referring to the non Pro model phones, but even so it's still fragmenting the market and lineup even more then they already have.
If the phones weren't so thin you may very well have enough space in the 4.7" model for a dual lens module IF Apple is making one.
 
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No issues if you want to call that low resolution - carry on. It is a budget phone - that's the point. For $399 you don't get the best tech. Surely it won't win any "my phone is more bad ass than yours" heated debates at high school lunch tables. For most people outside of that realm, 326 ppi is just fine for its intended use - a budget phone that works and performs well.

You still don't understand how a faster CPU/GPU can benefit a phone with a lower resolution display. It's not all about moving pixels around, or, as you stated above, handling UI tasks.
You're confusing the 6SE with the 6S. Unless you really mean that the 6S and its low resolution display is also budget tech.
 
And there's the issue many have with fragmentation. The iPhone + models are huge (and judging by the competition they're more "huge" than they should be for what's in them), most wouldn't take issue with paying the same price for a phone-sized phone with all the flagship toys and specs.

That's why I got the SE. I don't want a massive phone but want the performance of a larger device. The same goes for notebooks.
I don't mind if they are the same price, I'd go for the more compact version every time.
 
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Nope.

There is just no conceivable way that Apple releases all 3 of them.

Don't tell me about iPad Pro. Apple didn't release that at the same time as 2 other brand new flagship iPad models.

I'm not saying Apple wouldn't do iPhone Pro. I'm saying they wouldn't, couldn't, release it or even announce it at the same time as other new models. Nope.

Nevermind the fact that there is no way they have enough new features to fill out this lineup. Nope.
 
You should use a proper camera then, if your a professional photographer you wouldn't use a cell phone camera unless it's on a night out or something. Why should I be penalised for liking a small phone? It's the same argument. My comment was referring to the non Pro model phones, but even so it's still fragmenting the market and lineup even more then they already have.
If the phones weren't so thin you may very well have enough space in the 4.7" model for a dual lens module IF Apple is making one.

You shouldn't be. And that's why you have the power to choose between different manufacturers. Simply find a phone manufacturer that makes a product that meets your needs. Or, write a letter to Apple telling them what you want, and if there are tens of millions of others out there willing to pay a premium price for a small phone, they might do it. Personally I don't think there's a business case for that.

I also don't think you understand what fragmentation is and its impact. It's not an issue.
 
You're confusing the 6SE with the 6S. Unless you really mean that the 6S and its low resolution display is also budget tech.

No... It's only "low resolution" by your definition, and for people who thrive getting into heated "my phone is more bad ass than yours" debates in high school. It's not a budget phone, though it does cost less than the flagship 6S+.
 
For example, flying from Detroit to London is a trip that you wont be able to make without recharging your wireless earbuds and good luck connecting those to the airline entertainment system.

Why not do what I do and take a portable battery pack?
 
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