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m a y a said:
You are joking right. :rolleyes: Other companies also make mp3 players etc...and images being viewed on portable cameras,etc... It didn't stop Apple to make the iPod, there have seen that it was done however not correctly according to Apple standards and so they created the iPod, I feel there will do the same for a digital camera.

Uh, no...I'm not joking. Apple paved the way for MP3 player's, so that situation can't even compare. Get your facts straight, newb.
 
SiliconAddict said:
No offense dude but your relatives should have all the sharp corners in their house padded if they can't figure out a two-button mouse. I know this is a major heated debate from time to time on the boards and won't take it further then this but I will say that if grade school kids can figure it out grown up adults should NOT have a problem.
You might want to refer your relatives to These guys assuming they know how to press the buttons on a phone. ;)


The concept of a virtual world in a box, is not common sense to an elder who is in they 50+ and beyond. Its new to grasp new things when you are elderly and the research shows this. TO press one button is much easier to remember than to remember to click left or right or even a middle button(with 3 button mice). See where the problem lies, Apple is trying to be friendly to all they customers not just the Teens or the people under 50 group. It's a great approach IMHO, if you want a muti button mouse buy one however its a "Apple Standard" to have one button for simplicity.

It doesn't mean his elderly relatives are ignorant it's, hard for them to grasp. Have you ever put yourself in 18th Century and tried to plow a field, you will find it hard even with some experience since your muscle mass and physical limits are not compared to those who were living during the 18th century. However that said you brain is far more evolved than the 18th century person.

There is always a good and bad point about everything, don't argue that just because you think IYO a muti mouse is great that its well suited for all.
 
This just makes me realize that someone needs to come out with an iPod for Photos... not a dual function device.

You take the form factor of a packet of photos that you would get from Costco, or Wal-Mart and you put Hard Drive, 6x4" LCD, and Battery together in that small of package and you have a useful little device for displaying photos. This would completely replace getting prints made the way iPods and the music store replaced the way we get cds.

The big challenge with photos right now is distribution, if im having a conversation with a person and I want to show photos, how do i do that without my camera, or computer, or prints? Apple is trying to answer this question but i think the iPod form factor is just too small.
 
dejo said:
Here's what one might look like with Album Cover being shown:

Color-Screen-iPod.jpg

I doubt if the album cover will be fullscreen - unless the song info & controls fade in and out (but the iPod doesn't have a lot of grunt).

Would look nice though!
 
jet3004 said:
Uh, no...I'm not kidding. Apple paved the way for MP3 player's, so that situation can't even compare. Get your facts straight, newb.


Yes, they did for Mp3 players however doesn't mean they cannot innovate the digital camera as well.

What with the negative attitude, I am not a newbie, I am a member I lost my password so I had to create a new account. :(

That is what happens when you are away from your computer for a long time and someone meddles with your system. :(

Doen't mean just because IYO I am a newbie I am a moron, you have a very skewed attitude towards new comers.


note: I previous name was "må¥å".


take care.
 
Finally, some sense ...

Eniregnat said:
The killer application is the iPod drive and media managers and accompany the iPod. The simple interface and the The iPod is quickly moving towards what Jobs once saw it as, as mass media storage.
Given all of this the iPod might eventually evolve into a “super” media drive that can be slotted into laptops, cameras, recorders, PDAs and other multi-media devices. A solidstate iPod might make sense as the base for a number of aftermarket synergystic devices.

Yes!

The photo market (just to explore one example) must be over $100 Billion a year, and the last few years have seen a radical shift from traditional film to digital cameras. But there are no elegant solutions for what to do with all those new digital pictures.

I'm sure the average household spends far more on cameras and developing than music, so Apple's sync'ing their "digital hub" with this sector makes SO much sense, regardless of the "iPods are for music" nonsense spouted by many here.
 
headhighguy said:
Well, after closely observing Apple's product launches for that past 18 months, the 60GB, Color LCD, IPhoto, Video-Out Ipod has got to be a rumor. Here's my thoughts about it.

1. 60 GB Harddrive. Yes, it would be a feasable option, also logical to do for apple to increase storage space to the best music player ever released. However, does anybody really need 60 GB of space? 90% of all people have actually less then 10GB of music on their harddrives. When I saw the introduction of the 4G iPod, I was pleasantly surprised that there was no 60 GB version, and it really made sense to me, because there is only a small percentage of people that really use the additional space that the 40GB model doesn't provide.

2. Color LCD. When I read color LCD, I thought, and the battery life? When I read 2" color LCD, I knew it had to be a rumor. Here's why. If apple integrates a color LCD to view pictures, it wouldn't be as small as the existing 2" lcd screen. Apple always has focused on superior quality in their display products. a 2" lcd would simply not be up to their standards. Well, if they would implement a larger screen, possibly covering the entire face of the ipod, it became more credible, however, in contrast, how much would that take burden to the battery life.

3. iPhoto sync. Great idea. But it would require to come up with a windows version of iPhoto. That's actually doable and would be quite an enlightenment for the windows world. It sounds feasable and would greatly make sense to add the additional disk space. However, it couldn't convince me all the way, because of the color lcd screen issue.

4. Video Out port. This is a joke. If apple seriously comes out with a video out port on the ipod, it would just not make sense at all. Here's why. You would have to have a cable at hand in order to use the photo feature. This means you would have to possibly carry it with you. A company that has a strategy in place to mobilize peoples music and possibly photos in such an excellent way, cannot make an addition to their product line that requires you to carry a cable or anything like that. Apple has shown with the airport express that they are going away from cables. I'm confident enough that Apple would not come out with a portable device that sports a port that requires you to have any kind of cable with you. If at all, it had to be wireless. We all know that technology is not yet advanced and standardized enough to send video/picture data wirelessly to a tv set.

Conclusion:
This new device got to be a rumor, because it has too many specs that would violate the strategy that apple has shown in their recent product releases. The screen would have been too small, as well as the video-out port that requires to use a cable is not convincing to me to believe it is part of the new leading edge portable music (media) player. I could imagine iphoto for windows and the larger hdd for additional space that photos may take up.

My proposal:
A new future iPod in my opinion would sport WiFi interface for wireless synchronization (no dock required/or optional) and compatibility with Airport Express in order to stream music from the ipod to your stereo, wirelessly. That is in my opinion the only logical extension that apple could make to the market's leading music player as the ipod is now. No picture support, no color lcd, no video out. it all doesn't make sense to apple's strategy right now. Video and picture support had to be implemented into a completely new product.


Steve also said that he wouldn't make an iMac with the rest of the computer glommed on to the back of the LCD. Not that I disagree with you, because I see your point. Now if the iPod could stream video to the AirPort Express, and that audio out port on the airport express was really an a/v port (like on the older iBooks), and you could stream your pictures that way.. eh?? eh, maybe not.. This is just getting silly now.
 
macidiot said:
I'm ok with Apple sticking with a one-button mouse for the "dexterity-challenged." ;) But its lame that you have to pay for something that just ends up in the drawer if you want 2 buttons or a scroll. I have a pile of unused Apple mice... Besides, considering that the 2-button mouse is now the standard, isn't a one button mouse now the more confusing device?


LOL, pass those one button mice here. I will welcome them for an art project. :D

Well just because you have learned to use a multi button mouse doesn't mean that the elderly can absorb this information quickly as you have. It takes time, pratice and a transition period. If you like multi button mice great go spend the extra money on it. Apple has already said it looks to the best interest of ALL users meaning children and elderly also included, if you are working I am sure the extra 10-20 USD will not burn a hole in your pocket. Maybe other mouse companies should have a trade in program. Trade in an Apple mouse and get a 2 button one for 5 dollar more or something. Scroll wheels are popular however again same situation as the above.
 
m a y a said:
Yes, they did for Mp3 players however doesn't mean they cannot innovate the digital camera as well.

What with the negative attitude, I am not a newbie, I am a member I lost my password so I had to create a new account. :(

That is what happens when you are away from your computer for a long time and someone meddles with your system. :(

Doen't mean just because IYO I am a newbie I am a moron, you have a very skewed attitude towards new comers.


note: I previous name was "må¥å".


take care.


Apple DID innovate the digital camera...The Quicktake 200 paved the way for them all. Then other companies took over, as usual, and Apple knew then, and know now, that there is no reason to compete.
 
lostngone said:
WOW!!! Think about it, Porn!!!; But 60gigs. isn't that a bit small for music and porn?

Is that a iPod in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
Geez! 60GB not enough for music and porn?!?! Oh wait . . . I just noticed you are in Alaska . . . . ;) :D
 
jared_kipe said:
Power won't be as big of an issue if it were to contain an OLED instead of a LCD. Of course they have an estimated lifespan of only 10,000 hours of continuous use. But thats still 417 days of always on time, so if you only use it for 4 hours a day you could get almost 7 years out of it. I think this is acceptable for an ipod screen's lifespan. OLEDs are cheaper and more energy effective, not to mention usually have better color response.

I agree. This is what I've been thinking as well. I just don't know if Apple has gotten hold of one that would meet their specs as yet.

The battery life shouldn't be an issue. There are batteries out there that already give the 40G model 23 hours. There's one that's supposed to give 40. I'm sure that with Apple's buying power, if they wanted to, they could use one of these, and solve that problem.

My thought goes further. I believe that Apple is going to split the two lines of iPods apart.

The mini will remain the music iPod, with increasingly larger HD's. They will always have a significantly smaller capacity. Their screen will also always be smaller, thus, less useful for higher resolutions.

The full size unit is a different matter. The HD's are approaching the size of desktop models of only a year or so ago with the 60. Toshiba, and others are, no doubt, designing 80's, 100's and even larger.

With this capacity, no one who puts music on the player can complain that new features are compromising their ability to store music.

With the new hires that Apple seems to be making, it seems as though they and others will be able to write apps that make this device even more versatile than ever. If, in doing this they include some API's from X, the device would be able to run simple versions of some software, such as Keynote (which someone suggested earlier), and others, not so much to build a presentation and such, but to present them.

With a small color screen this would allow control from these programs, even though the device itself couldn't be used directly as a viewer. I don't think that the application of viewing photo's on a Tv would be the end purpose of this, but rather a way of getting people used to the concept of hooking it up to something other than an audio system. Sort of a come-on. Kodak tried to do this when they originally came out with the Photo CD. It failed miserably for that purpose.

My conclusion (even though I have a lot more uses for it than I mentioned, for lack of space) is that this IS the digital center that Apple is coming out with. They are slowly sneaking it in. I believe that Apple had all of this in mind when they first came out with the iPod, but couldn't implement it, for the technology was not up to it. But that is changing.

Apple is being patient. When there are millions of these in people's hands, people in all walks of life, then Apple won't see the resistance to such a device that they would have if they simply came out with it, full born, like Athena, from the head of Zeus.

People will trust their iPods, and by extension, Apple. Therefore the reaction will be more of the order of "Hey, look at what my iPod can do now!" Rather than "What's this thing? It looks too complicated."

I do think that they will stay away from cameras though. There is nothing that Apple can add to that experience that would be compelling. Apple's first camera's were designed, and made by Kodak.
 
jet3004 said:
Apple DID innovate the digital camera...The Quicktake 200 paved the way for them all. Then other companies took over, as usual, and Apple knew then, and know now, that there is no reason to compete.

If I remember correctly Apple was in partnership with Kodak on they first digital camera. However bad marketing and management ruined the whole situation.

With Jobs back who know they "might" come up with a better digital camera GUI. Don't render anything out of the picture, this is Apple. They never really said anything in regards to a digital camera, they said no HandHeld Computer (Palm), and no portable video player.

And even if you look they have been experimenting with iSight, and iPod, and the whole idea of iPhoto.

It would not surprise me if they have something cooking up in the near future.

I wish the iPod had a digital camera built-in or as an add on, would be so much better than to transfer the RAW or Jpeg files from flash to iPod.

Save a step. :D

Update: There are other companies that also make computers, lcd screens, VERSA mounts, iPod accessories, software for digital video, music, etc....

In that case why is Apple still making what others still make, the reason they do it better. HANDS DOWN.

There used to be other HDD MP3 players before iPod however Apple still sort out to making it. And I see no difference with a digital camera. They have done it with the iSight and Cinema Displays, so who knows.
 
Belkin solution too SLOW ...

zim said:
Technically you already can. I have the 4G iPod, 20GB model, and the Blekin media reader. We went to Ireland last year and came back with 1600 photos from our Nikon D70.

If this rumor of a photo capable iPod is true, Apple will need to provide a better solution than the transfer speed of the Belkin device.

Rated by Belkin at 750 KBps, (and 30 percent slower with checking on), they state that a 128 MB card transfers in 3-5 minutes. But that's 30-40 minutes for a 1 GB card, (not including the error checking feature). :eek: Those of us who shoot a couple of GB per day have better ways to spend 2 hours.

This is yet another example of how an elegant solution still eludes us.

[Edit - what's up with the red "belkin" lettering? I'm not pusing them! Seems like it's being put in by the thread, not me...][Edit 2 - now they're gone again - what's up?]
 
sirjimithy said:
FYI, if you're talking about the computer mouse, the plural is mouses, not mice. Just saying... ;)

Actually according to British English Language there is NO mouses.

single - plural

mouse - mice (NOT MOUSES)

Island - Isles (NOT ISLANDS)


there are more, however I believe you need to read a little more British English Language where it originated and not mangle the language. ;)
 
headhighguy said:
Apple has shown with the airport express that they are going away from cables.

Hmm, last I checked you still needed cables to hook up your Airport Express to a home audio system, Ethernet connection or to share a USB printer. So, although I agree, Apple is going away from cables, the Airport Express is not the ultimate example of that strategy.
 
SiliconAddict said:
No offense dude but your relatives should have all the sharp corners in their house padded if they can't figure out a two-button mouse. I know this is a major heated debate from time to time on the boards and won't take it further then this but I will say that if grade school kids can figure it out grown up adults should NOT have a problem.
You might want to refer your relatives to These guys assuming they know how to press the buttons on a phone. ;)
Maya already posted a good response to this but I want to add that I have found that modern technology (and specifically "buttons" of any type) and SOME people simply do not mix, at least not without some training and coaxing. The meaning (ie. "behavior") of a particular button when compared to another button that looks alike is not always obvious.

Remember that for many older "technophobes," their previous exposure to user interfaces that some engineer thought were intuitive include things like alarm clocks, VCR timers, microwave ovens, and ATMs. You and I may not have trouble figuring those out, but that does not make them any more intuitive than a puck with a cable and two or three (unlabeled, often identical) buttons on one end :)
 
dejo said:
Hmm, last I checked you still needed cables to hook up your Airport Express to a home audio system, Ethernet connection or to share a USB printer. So, although I agree, Apple is going away from cables, the Airport Express is not the ultimate example of that strategy.

All AE does is minimize cable clutter. Plain and Simple. :)


The less cables the better, since this is in benefit for the PowerBook and iBook, there can make them thinner in the future. Once Flash Drives are cheaper and I mean the 1 gig and beyond ones, we will see the death of Optical Drives as with the iMac put the rest the floppy drives.

Once this starts and those 0.85 inch drives have a long life unlike the iPod 1 inch drives with 20k hours life. We will see raid PowerBooks with multiple 0.85 inch HDD running at 10 gigs or more each. <-- crossing fingers. :D
 
How how I would use my video enabled iPod

Today I spent the better part of the morning running errands. Knowing I would be waiting in lines an appreciable amount of time, I grabbed a magazine for the trip (PC Gamer -- don't hate me because I have a PC strictly to play the latest games). Had I owned a video iPod, I would have taken it instead. I could have offloaded a couple of TV shows and watched them when:

1) While I was waiting at the hospital to get blood drawn for an annual physical. (20 minutes)

2) While I was enjoying a calorie-rich breakfast (after 12 hours of fasting for my blood test) at a nearby fast-food joint (15 minutes)

3) While I waited for my Venti Java-Chip (again, more calories) to be made. (5 minutes)

4) While I found myself killing about a half-hour for the dry cleaners to open because because I managed to do all of the above before 0900. (30 minutes)

5) While I waited at Chili's for my wife to join me for Lunch. (10 minutes)

All of this time adds up and each of these instances is well suited for me to sit and watch a video while killing time. Instead, I read my magazine, which worked really well too. And you know what? 80 minutes of waiting seemed like nothing at all, and I would have rather watched nearly four sitcoms (Scrubs, Simpsons perhaps) after fast forwarding through commercials than read about the hottest PC game I'll begrudgingly buy for my HP.
 
zevic said:
This is just speculation, but Kodak owns most of the patents to OLED technology...and who do you get when you click on "order prints" in iphoto?

You guessed it...Kodak.

Maybe there is some sort of other relationship there?

that may be a stretch, but a nice one. i, too, have been waiting to see more products w/ OLEDs. i've also been waiting anxiously for a color screen iPod.

i know people are whining that 2" is too small to view photos. would i RATHER view my photos on my Cinema Display? sure. do i carry my Cinema Display w/ me to work and in my car? not hardly.

also, since when has a small screen stopped cell phone users from viewing photos? how many mobiles w/ stupid little cameras have been sold the past couple years? do i want a camera in my iPod? of course not, but viewing some album art and photos from a party would be a lot of fun.

bring it on, Apple. i'll gladly shell out $500 that i don't need to be spending right now...
 
sinisterdesign said:
i know people are whining that 2" is too small to view photos. would i RATHER view my photos on my Cinema Display? sure. do i carry my Cinema Display w/ me to work and in my car? not hardly.

bring it on, Apple. i'll gladly shell out $500 that i don't need to be spending right now...

Exactly.

And the latest $8000 pro model DSLR cameras also ship with 2 inch displays - they have a zoom feature for detail, if you need it.
 
m a y a said:
However that said you brain is far more evolved than the 18th century person.


LOL.. this wins the award for the dumbest thing ever said.

Humans have been around for over 160,000 years, and you think major evolution occured in the last 300 years?!

If you went back to 1750 say, with a computer (in Doc Browns delorian..obviously) they would have the same mental ability to learn how to use it as anyone here in 2004.
 
This is easily the best rumor in a while...It's going to be a long 2 months. :p
 
m a y a said:
Actually according to British English Language there is NO mouses.

single - plural

mouse - mice (NOT MOUSES)

Island - Isles (NOT ISLANDS)


there are more, however I believe you need to read a little more British English Language where it originated and not mangle the language. ;)

I apologize, after keeping an open mind and doing some actual reasearch (a rarity on message boards nowadays) I stand corrected. Both "mice" and "mouses" are appropriate. Carry on :)
 
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