60GB iPods - Not Soon?

[big_boldge]

Mac will need to have a 60GB ipod soon espesially if there to make the rumored video ipod, i mean you wont be able to get much video on a 40GB!
But i'm not to bothered im happy with my 15GB and most people wouldnt be able to fill up a 60GB as that'll be a round 20,000 songs which i dont have and may never have? But it would be nice to see apple stay way ahead of the game and rivals especially as more and more rivals are trying to take over the ipod's crown!

 

[djdarlek]

I agree most people probably don't, it would be a high-end product. But remember that CDs have been out over 20 years and some of us have well over 1000 which would be just great to put on a single device.

Just had an interesting thought. If you owned 1000 cds, or 10,000... and spent the time importing them into your iPod... what happens if you bin all your CDs? Does this put you in the same bracket as someone who downloads all their music, or are you gaining some strange unseen kudos?

Just a though. I have to admit I do download songs a fair bit, but that doesn't mean to say I haven't spent £1000's on CDs in the past.. although after importing them all onto my 'digital hubs' I gave them all to charity.

 

[drlunanerd]

Just had an interesting thought. If you owned 1000 cds, or 10,000... and spent the time importing them into your iPod... what happens if you bin all your CDs? Does this put you in the same bracket as someone who downloads all their music, or are you gaining some strange unseen kudos?

Just a though. I have to admit I do download songs a fair bit, but that doesn't mean to say I haven't spent £1000's on CDs in the past.. although after importing them all onto my 'digital hubs' I gave them all to charity.

I hope you've got a concrete backup strategy in place and working. Ditching your original CDs doesn't sound like a great idea to me if you haven't. But nice one for donating them to charity...

 

[AidenShaw]

Charity would be piracy

I hope you've got a concrete backup strategy in place and working. Ditching your original CDs doesn't sound like a great idea to me if you haven't. But nice one for donating them to charity...

If you give away (or sell) the original CDs after ripping them, you're giving away the right to the music.

You can no longer justify the ripped copy under "fair use" - there are now two copies of the music in use by two different people.

Selling or donating the physical CDs turn the act of ripping into an act of piracy.

 

[Analog Kid]

So, what this clearly means is that Apple hasn't decided when, where, or how to make the announcement.

If Apple really wasn't going to intro the 60 GB iPod soon, Joswiak would have stated, "We have no plans with regard to the 60-gigabyte iPod." The "announcement" qualifier indicates he's being really sly with his words, which one can infer to mean that there really is a 60 GB iPod.

But it makes sense. By only announcing the 20 and 40 gig units today, everyone is focused on the lower price. Check google news - all the headlines are "Apple lowers price on iPods."

Once the hubub has died down a bit, that's when you introduce the 60 GB unit, to show that you aren't just sitting on your laurels. And you get all the free PR as journalists write about the huge new 60 GB unit.

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. That was a really awkward way of phrasing things-- it does make it sound like he's dancing around the facts. I took it to mean "we've built one, it works, we haven't decided when to take it to market yet".

Personally I'd use the space for storage. Right now I carry two drives around everywhere-- one is the iPod, the other is an 80Gb firewire drive holding a 10GB iMovie project. I'd love to only have to carry one....

 

[pc_convert?]

60GB for G5 iMac?

Maybe the 60GB drive is for the new G5 iMac in september. If the rumors are true, and the iMac looks similar to the newly announced Displays then maybe Apple need smaller - less heat producing hard drives to fit in casing.

Just a thought...

 

[SiliconAddict]

***holes.

 

[SiliconAddict]

ATI learned that good and well, and now Toshiba's finding out the same thing.
No 60GB iPods until Steve cools down.

In which case screw apple. They are more concerned about doing it their way then giving the customers the product they want. Hmmm I can think of another company who acts like this. Headed by someone named Gates and no one likes his company.

Jobs needs to be fired if this is the potential reason for the delay. They deserve to lose the entire music market. What sucks is if someone else does come onto the market with a 60GB music player before Apple I've got to convert all my music again. Great just great. Thanks for nothing Jobs.

 

[djdarlek]

Maybe the 60GB drive is for the new G5 iMac in september. If the rumors are true, and the iMac looks similar to the newly announced Displays then maybe Apple need smaller - less heat producing hard drives to fit in casing.

Just a thought...

u may have hit the nail on the head there... Come september we'll see if you're right

 

[djdarlek]

In which case screw apple. They are more concerned about doing it their way then giving the customers the product they want. Hmmm I can think of another company who acts like this. Headed by someone named Gates and no one likes his company.

Jobs needs to be fired if this is the potential reason for the delay. They deserve to lose the entire music market. What sucks is if someone else does come onto the market with a 60GB music player before Apple I've got to convert all my music again. Great just great. Thanks for nothing Jobs.

Calm down! I don't think Steve should be fired, and even if Sony make some ****ty player available for 60gig, it still won't have the iPod interface.

I really don't understand everyone's lust for the biggest HD available, when blatently a 4gig iPod is enough to listen to music for around a month. Aside from the need to backup one's music collection. Or use as a portable HD. But if capacity is such a big deal, why not buy an iPod mini for music and a 160gig firewire HD? Probably get the lot for around the same price as the 60gig iPod would be.

 

[croooow]

I don't think you guys are thinking of things from the buisness side of it. And if you like Apple I'd think you'd want them to stay in buisness.

I don't think there is a big demand for a 60GB iPod. I'm sure there are lots of people who could use it, but I think they felt that 20 and 40 would sell a lot more and have made an effort to have the supply ready for people to buy them. There doesn't seem to be a shortage like the mini (at least not yet) I think they spent a long time making them getting ready for yesterday.

If you don't like the 20/40 GB ipods then don't buy one. I will be buying a 40GB (I only have 15GB of music)

 

[centauratlas]

GRRR.

Why is it the things most people want will not be around "anytime soon."
...Anyway, I was really really hoping for a 60GB iPod, I guess I'll just have to wait.

I bought two Airport Expresses. I have a 30GB iPod and won't be buying a new one until I can fit all my music on it (> 60GB). The Airport allows me to use one of the Macs as a big streaming iPod. Yes, i can't go outside a certain range, but my 30GB is good enough for outside that range for now.

Perhaps that is part of their reason - they want people to use AirTunes in place of bigger iPods in a house...

 

[SiliconAddict]

I really don't understand everyone's lust for the biggest HD available, when blatently a 4gig iPod is enough to listen to music for around a month.

Its not about being able to listen to a day's, week's, or month's worth of music. Its about having your ENTIRE collection on hand. Something a 40GB drive can't do for me.

 

[~Shard~]

Its not about being able to listen to a day's, week's, or month's worth of music. Its about having your ENTIRE collection on hand. Something a 40GB drive can't do for me.

Yah, but then by that rationale, I would need a 200+ GB iPod to have all my music "on hand"...

I of course realize people use their iPods for different things and have different philosophies about them, but for me, I just need enough music on my iPod to last me through the day, or on a long flight/drive, etc.

 

[FriarTuck]

Please... nobody give Sandy Berger a 60 gig iPod. Who knows what he'll put on it, and where he'll put it as he leaves the building.

Seriously, though, we're getting to the point where we're going to need "Spring Cleaning"-type software just to keep the iPod organized.

Can't wait for Apple to reveal it's iPod Tivo-beater.

 

[gopher]

Mac will need to have a 60GB ipod soon espesially if there to make the rumored video ipod, i mean you wont be able to get much video on a 40GB!
But i'm not to bothered im happy with my 15GB and most people wouldnt be able to fill up a 60GB as that'll be a round 20,000 songs which i dont have and may never have? But it would be nice to see apple stay way ahead of the game and rivals especially as more and more rivals are trying to take over the ipod's crown!

Mac is the name of the computer Apple makes. Your statement above shows you don't know the difference between Apple and Macintosh. You might as well have said Beatle is going to have four doors soon, when you should have said Volkswagen is going to have four doors on its Beatle soon (not that it is!). Apple is the company name. Macintosh, with a nickname of Mac is the name of the operating system Apple makes for its Macintosh computers.

 

[sushi]

yep. one hour of DV video consumes 13GB of space if i remember correctly, so these 60GB drives could hold enough uncompressed footage. but it remains to be seen if the performance of the drives can keep up... it is not so easy for a hard drive to keep up with a DV stream. has anyone hard facts how many MB/s is required for it?

I believe 25Mb per second.

Sushi

 

[sushi]

***holes.

???

 

[iMeowbot]

Mac is the name of the computer Apple makes. Your statement above shows you don't know the difference between Apple and Macintosh.

Shhhhh. It's not a bad thing at all if the names are synonymous in the public mind, think about it.

 

[sushi]

Shhhhh. It's not a bad thing at all if the names are synonymous in the public mind, think about it.

Good point!

Anything that gets more recognition is good for Apple, er. Mac.

Sushi

 

[JFreak]

I believe 25Mb per second.

...or around 3MB/s - which is not so much. it should be possible even with these tiny drives, i believe. and in addition, there will likely be some kind of a proprietary way of handling the drive, and the contents will likely be stored in contiguous blocks.

let's begin to wait for such a video camera

 

[Trekkie]

There is no reason that both could be true. No 60Gb iPod soon, but Apple could have ordered those 60Gb drives for use in something else. I'm not going to speculate what right now but I'm sure other will be shouting vPod (video iPod) or something pretty soon. Hopefully something more interesting than that from my point of view though.

To support my lossless compression libray I'd need 320GB of storage.

Now *that* would be an iPod. Only 20 lbs! whee.

 

[jdechko]

60 Gig iPod + Home on Ipod = Great Idea!

 

[SiliconAddict]

I don't think there is a big demand for a 60GB iPod.

If there isn't a big demand then don't make 100,000 of them. (25K? 50K?) The point is that there IS a demand for them. And if Apple is sitting on this product because they are all pissed and bothered because Tosh announced that THIER product was being used by Apple. That is a BS reason. In the previous cases ATI announced an actual Apple product. OK. So sure. Apple deserves to get pissed. In this case Tosh simple announced that Apple had, or will be purchasing their product. Now call me funny but Tosh isn't being ruled by Apple. They have every damn right to try and make their products look better by saying Apple will be using them. Screw Apple and their dictator like BS.

 

[Trekkie]

60gb media player/home on iPod device instead then? The Windows media devices are arriving soon, Apple will eventually respond. Anyway, never trust an announcment by a V.P of anything, all they do is spin.

Apple will eventually respond?

What planet are you from? When has Apple 'responded' to the market? They've *created* the market many times, or taken one thing and turned it into a whole new market, but they've never 'responded' to something.

Steve Jobs has said many times that a video iPod device is a waste of time. He still runs the company last I checked and this clamor on this forum for video iPods is by a very few people who have unreasonable expectations.

Until you can project a 36 - 65 " equivalent screen into my eyes a 4" or 6" or hell even 19" screen is totally worthless to me. You also would need to replicate 5.1 surround at a minimum with DD and DTS. Otherwise, it's an expensive toy with no intrinsic value.

That's why iPod is so successful. It does what it does very well. Music is totally different than video. Music you can put in and still function while listening too in most cases. Video is more of an attention grabber and is impossible to enjoy (in current formats) while walking down the street, riding a taxi/bus, in an airplane, etc. You are totally focused on the video and cannot easily notice your surroundings unlike when you do listen to music (in most cases)

On a complete tangent...

I can't remember the sociological term that is applied to this difference just like when someone is on a cell phone, hands free or hands set. I've seen it labeled 'inattention blindness' but the way I heard it was more like 'remote presense' or something like that. For example you could have a group of girls standing outside a school, but if you notice more and more all of them are on their mobile phones talking to other people but the ones around them. It is rather interesting. However if you're like me and >25 I'd recommend not standing around a high school staring at the groups of girls if you're studying this. Some days I wish I was back at college though so I could see how this affects little clicks/groups though. That benefit of being an introverted geek some days is you can watch your surroundings with much more freedom than others.

oh well, i've wandered way off topic from where I started