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iCloud's push e-mail has been perfect for the 3 weeks or so I've been using it. Way, way better than Outlook, which I had to give up after 4 rocky months.

Not here. It has never been reliable and still isn't. I have at least 2-3 outages every week where I get mails only hours later or after a manual pull.
 
Not here. It has never been reliable and still isn't. I have at least 2-3 outages every week where I get mails only hours later or after a manual pull.

Yeah, my guess is they're not a technical user. No technical user would give iCloud a higher reliability score than an enterprise solution. Or maybe their implementation of Exchange is amateur.
 
Folks,

I've actually not seen the iMessage issue in a long time. I'm wondering if Apple has fixed this on the server side?

If they fixed the iMessage issue server-side, then releasing 7.0.3 may not be as urgent as it previously was, so they may delay it so they can fix other issues as well. Or maybe go directly to 7.1 when the iPads come out.

Just a thought. Has anyone experienced the iMessage issue in the last few days?

The BSOD is by far the biggest issue and needs to be adressed ASAP... At least lots of news sites are reporting it now... So hopfully apple gets the hint... They cant wait months for 7.1 to fix this.. There will have to be a fix in the next week or so.

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P.s. 7.0.3 Wont get any new options like animation speed or anything like that... It will just be bug and stability fixes.. 7.1 might have some minor feature upgrads and improvments.. but nothing big is coming untill IOS 8.. They might speed up animation with 7.1 if they have recive enough complaints.. Dont expect adjustability though.
 
Yeah, my guess is they're not a technical user. No technical user would give iCloud a higher reliability score than an enterprise solution. Or maybe their implementation of Exchange is amateur.

Yeah right. It's always somebody else's fault. Fact is that during my years of having BlackBerrys I recall maybe 2 or 3 outages and email issues over time (widely reported in the media at the time).

Now that I'm on an iPhone this is a weekly, sometimes daily occurrence. This is true for the iCloud mails and also my Exchange server mails. And no, that server wasn't set up by me or any other hick but is run and serviced by a full time IT department for a 60,000 employee corporation. Nothing has changed, same network, same phone company, same everything except Apple hardware (and iCloud instead of BB for pushing m personal emails...)
 
So 5 days for 7.0 -> 7.0.2.

It's been 18 days since 7.0.2. What's taking so long? You would think with such a radical new release, they would be trying to fix bugs ASAP. It will probably come out at the iPad event.
Timing between one update doesn't mean anything as to what timing will be for another update. In general, short of some truly huge/widespread issue and/or some truly important security type of issue, updates for something as big as an OS aren't usually released very frequently as that by itself can get people to kind of start treating those updates as an inconvenience too ("oh, another update after the last one a week ago, and another one a few weeks before that").
 
Yeah right. It's always somebody else's fault. Fact is that during my years of having BlackBerrys I recall maybe 2 or 3 outages and email issues over time (widely reported in the media at the time).

Huh? Not sure the what you're trying to compare here... iCloud is an email provider, not an enterprise server like exchange, nor an email forwarding provider (like Blackberry)... you're comparing Apples to Fortune Cookies to Pickles. Completely different things.

I am not even sure what your point is in responding? Are you saying iCloud is more reliable than exchange? Or are you saying Exchange isn't as reliable as Blackberry (which sits inside a firewall and feeds from an Exchange server directly)?? Your comments don't make sense. Since you commented on BB email for personal email, clearly you're not referring to a Blackberry Exchange Server integration... so dunno what you're trying to make with those comments.

I read through your comments again. It's clear you're not understanding the difference between a email provider, an email server platform, and the methods email gets delivered. Because you mention personal email, then blackberry (which only pushes email be it corporate or personal), then bring up an actual non-enterprise class email service (iCloud).



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So 5 days for 7.0 -> 7.0.2.

It's been 18 days since 7.0.2. What's taking so long? You would think with such a radical new release, they would be trying to fix bugs ASAP. It will probably come out at the iPad event.

Huh? 6.0.1 to 6.0.2 was 48 days! 18 days and you're worried?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_6#6.0
 
Apples version system.

MajorUpdate.MinorUpdate.BugFixes

7.0.x is not going to give you guys any of the features you are listing other then fixing bugs.. Sorry :/
 
Apples version system.

MajorUpdate.MinorUpdate.BugFixes

7.0.x is not going to give you guys any of the features you are listing other then fixing bugs.. Sorry :/

Unfortunately, the minor updates have been more like the bug fix releases lately. Hopefully 7.1 introduces some new features, while the bug fix releases actually fix many bugs instead of fixing a single bug.
 
I would expect 7.1 to have icloud keychain as its / one of its main new feature(s).

There wont be any major GUI changes untill 8.. They might add genre shuffling or something like that.. but nothing major.
 
iOS 6 was also barely an update.

I guess you may think that since it was under the hood instead of cosmetic, whereas iOS 7 was more cosmetic.... but okay.

People always think that lots of updates is a good thing.... yet when you ask those people what they need updates they just have a blank look and say "I just want updates" ... Windows has trained people to think that 10 updates a week is the norm, so when Apple does good and releases a stable OS and updates aren't as frequent, those people look at it as negative.
 
I guess you may think that since it was under the hood instead of cosmetic, whereas iOS 7 was more cosmetic.... but okay.

People always think that lots of updates is a good thing.... yet when you ask those people what they need updates they just have a blank look and say "I just want updates" ... Windows has trained people to think that 10 updates a week is the norm, so when Apple does good and releases a stable OS and updates aren't as frequent, those people look at it as negative.

iOS 6 didn't have too many under the hood improvements. The App Store is a lot faster in iOS 7 than iOS 6. iOS 7 has more under the hood improvements because it is a lot more responsive. The only issue with responsiveness is screen rotation, which hopefully they will fix. The animations are a matter of taste, not optimization. Yes, it also has a lot of cosmetic and feature updates.
 
All I want is a fix for BSOD.. I can wait on everything else... This is by far the biggest bug iv ever personnly experianced with an apple product.. And the only one to constantly crash /reboot a device
 
Yeah, my guess is they're not a technical user. No technical user would give iCloud a higher reliability score than an enterprise solution. Or maybe their implementation of Exchange is amateur.

I'm a very technical user, which is why I said "Outlook", as in Outlook.com, and not "Exchange". :p

Outlook.com is straight up garbage. What makes it all the stranger is we use Office 365 where I work, so all our work email is served by MS directly, and we've had zero issues with that service and the 60-70 iPhones I have deployed. I'm mystified as to why MS doesn't use the same server/network back end.

That said, iCloud for me has been perfect. I'm not crazy about the web interface, but the push and SMTP server has been far, far more reliable for me than Outlook's or even gmail's.
 
Huh? Not sure the what you're trying to compare here... iCloud is an email provider, not an enterprise server like exchange, nor an email forwarding provider (like Blackberry)... you're comparing Apples to Fortune Cookies to Pickles. Completely different things.

I am not even sure what your point is in responding? Are you saying iCloud is more reliable than exchange? Or are you saying Exchange isn't as reliable as Blackberry (which sits inside a firewall and feeds from an Exchange server directly)?? Your comments don't make sense. Since you commented on BB email for personal email, clearly you're not referring to a Blackberry Exchange Server integration... so dunno what you're trying to make with those comments.

I read through your comments again. It's clear you're not understanding the difference between a email provider, an email server platform, and the methods email gets delivered. Because you mention personal email, then blackberry (which only pushes email be it corporate or personal), then bring up an actual non-enterprise class email service (iCloud).



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Huh? 6.0.1 to 6.0.2 was 48 days! 18 days and you're worried?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_6#6.0


I'm simply saying that push mail on my iPhone 5 is unreliable. Doesn't matter if I'm looking at iCloud (which I'm using basically as a forwarding service for my personal email account) or the connection to the Exchange server. Both crap out every other day for hours at a time. And yes, iCloud is worse with that.

So far nobody could explain to me what the problem is. Not the "geniuses", not the phone company nor anyone else for that matter.

And don't accuse people of not knowing what their talking about. I use both, personal mail and corporate Exchange. Neither is 100% reliable right now on the iPhone. Both worked perfectly fine on Blackberry when I had. All other things being equal.

I'm sick of people making apologies for anything Apple throws at people. Some of it is nice and with other things they fail. At the moment they fail. And if it was not for lack of an alternative I would have given up on it by now.

Let me give you an example how annoying this is: I have a dying family member at the moment and tried to stay in touch long distance with family while in a meeting. Only to find out two hours later that text messages (regular not "iMessage" (the names alone drive me nuts) had not been delivered to my wife's phone. After that several calls dropped and were garbled. And that in the middle of a big East coast city with great coverage on T-mobile (maybe it was them but I doubt it).

I can't have that and I'm not used to issues like that since the 90s. If the stupid design of stupid button is more important for these clowns fine. I could care less. I need that stuff to work. And now with BB dead in the water I don't know where else to go. The giganto Android ghetto phonez certainly aren't any more appealing and seem even more toy-like.

So sorry about my rant about apples and oranges and pickles. They need to fix all things emails and phone calls. Everything else is secondary. At the very least I'd like to have iOS6 back as an option since that worked at least better. Not great but better.
 
Just waiting for 7.0.3 so I can turn on iMessages or actually be able to rely on my apps to output sound in a live environment. No biggie. Any day now apple. :eek:
 
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