8/8+/X has the same sensor size 1/3" as 6/6+, where is the promoted improvement?

[appledarklord]

I thought about buying the new iphone and camera is my main concern, so I check it out online...

In the key note, they said the sensor would be bigger and more light. Well....
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_8_plus-8131.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_6s_plus-7243.php

The camera spec is basically exactly the same! The camera sensor size is the main factor and it is just the same! It is 1/3" which is so small and so outdated comparing to other android flagships like Note 8 or whatever. So where is the promised improvement!? 6s is a two years old phone come on Apple!?

Iphone X would have the same main sensor as well!? 999 US dollars for a 2 years old 6s sensor!? What's going on Apple!?

I thought iphone would be finally the real king of phone camera!? Why lie in the keynote! I am very disappointed!

 

[Jawnathin]

How about look at the photos instead of measuring the sensor size to find the improvement. A sensor doesn’t have to be bigger to be better.

 

[Ngamtns706]

Bigger isn’t better hmmm that’s usually a lame excuse lol

 

[Gathomblipoob]

Bigger isn’t better hmmm that’s usually a lame excuse lol

But...but...megapixels!

 

[appledarklord]

How about look at the photos instead of measuring the sensor size to find the improvement. A sensor doesn’t have to be bigger to be better.

sensor size is the biggest factor, no doubt.
[doublepost=1506226522][/doublepost]I am currently using 6s+. If 8+ is basically the same as 7+, I just switch to 7+ then.

 

[ANTAWNM26]

How about look at the photos instead of measuring the sensor size to find the improvement. A sensor doesn’t have to be bigger to be better.

Smh once again at a lame response. Your going to respond as if your responding to him as in to defend Apple. What you should do is quote Apple exact words and then respond to Apple. Smh

 

[Jawnathin]

sensor size is the biggest factor, no doubt.

With the same technology a bigger sensor will be better than a smaller sensor but sensor technology and capability improves over time. A Nikon D850 has a much better sensor than my D600 despite being the same size. My D500 has a much better sensor than my old Nikon D7000 and they are the same size.

 

[appledarklord]

I just watch this

not worth the upgrade

 

[Ngamtns706]

I just watch this

not worth the upgrade

If you feel that way fine. Why do you feel the need to justify your feelings?

 

[Jawnathin]

Smh once again at a lame response. Your going to respond as if your responding to him as in to defend Apple. What you should do is quote Apple exact words and then respond to Apple. Smh

LOL. You’re out of your league here. If you think only sensor size matters then you’re very wrong.

 

[appledarklord]

With the same technology a bigger sensor will be better than a smaller sensor but sensor technology and capability improves over time. A Nikon D850 has a much better sensor than my D600 despite being the same size. My D500 has a much better sensor than my old Nikon D7000 and they are the same size.

Well you are talking about full frame sensor size, that is another story. The phone sensor is comparatively very small so the size would be a big factor.

 

[Juan007]

Go buy the competitor phone of the week, I'm sure the sensor is 10x larger than iPhone 8, with 4x the RAM and 8x the MHz. Just don't blame me when your pictures turn out like garbage, your phone is slow, and has no battery life despite all of that. Apple isn't about checking boxes or having the best specs, the company is focused on delivering the best user experience, and they are succeeding wildly at it.

 

[appledarklord]

LOL. You’re out of your league here. If you think only sensor size matters then you’re very wrong.

It is not the only factor but it is the biggest factor and like 80%-90% of the final photo quality is based on that.
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Go buy the competitor phone of the week, I'm sure the sensor is 10x larger than iPhone 8, with 4x the RAM and 8x the MHz. Just don't blame me when your pictures turn out like garbage, your phone is slow, and has no battery life despite all of that. Apple isn't about checking boxes or having the best specs, the company is focused on delivering the best user experience, and they are succeeding wildly at it.

I agree Apple phone offers very great user experience in general. But my friend's s8 photos are definitely much better than my 6s+. 8+ has basically the same sensor as 6s+, then it is just the same photo quality output.

 

[ANTAWNM26]

LOL. You’re out of your league here. If you think only sensor size matters then you’re very wrong.

Smh. You are concern only about arguing with someone after they quoted Apple and missing what your really doing. Go back and read what I wrote. Not one time did I even mention anything about sensors. I commented on the fact that how you responded to the op remarks as if your responding to him to defend something. I suggested that you quote Apple exact words on what they said about the sensor upgrade and respond to Apple

 

[Jawnathin]

It is not the only factor but it is the biggest factor and like 80%-90% of the final photo quality is based on that.

No, size is not the biggest factor. There are many examples of when a smaller sensor provides better image quality than a bigger sensor because it has a better design.

 

[ANTAWNM26]

With the same technology a bigger sensor will be better than a smaller sensor but sensor technology and capability improves over time. A Nikon D850 has a much better sensor than my D600 despite being the same size. My D500 has a much better sensor than my old Nikon D7000 and they are the same size.

You have single handed derailed the thread by dodging one simple fact. The subject of the thread is that he quoted Apple on something you dodged that and brought up a totally moot point to avoid addressing Apple

 

[Jawnathin]

Smh. You are concern only about arguing with someone after they quoted Apple and missing what your really doing. Go back and read what I wrote. Not one time did I even mention anything about sensors. I commented on the fact that how you responded to the op remarks as if your responding to him to defend something. I suggested that you quote Apple exact words on what they said about the sensor upgrade and respond to Apple

You don’t make any sense, if you have nothing to comment on the sensors then why are you even here posting? Sounds to me like you’re the one who wants to argue.

My comment to the OP is simply don’t look at only specs but look at the photos to see the improvement. The photos are what matters, not the size of the sensor. I don’t know how you turned that into defending Apple but you do you.

 

[appledarklord]

No, size is not the biggest factor. There are many examples of when a smaller sensor provides better image quality than a bigger sensor because it has a better design.

In reality nowadays no, other competitors have "great design" as well. You know iphone x screen is from samsung right? Do you think their "design" (I would say that is "technology") is behind. So if both companies have "great design" or "technology" nowadays, the the sensor size is the biggest factor. All android phones with best camera have big sensor like Pixel and s8/s8+.

Many years ago Apple was ahead for software especially the camera software, so even the sensor was smaller than other, the quality was very similar. But not in recently 1 or 2 years.

 

[ANTAWNM26]

You don’t make any sense, if you have nothing to comment on the sensors then why are you even here posting? Sounds to me like you’re the one who wants to argue.

My comment to the OP is simply don’t look at only specs but look at the photos to see the improvement. The photos are what matters, not the size of the sensor. I don’t know how you turned that into defending Apple but you do you.

Lmfao. ADDRESS THE OP SUBJECT DAMN!!!! You still have failed to do so

Let me help you. Op stated where is the promoted improvements APPLE Advertised

 

[Jawnathin]

You have single handed derailed the thread by dodging one simple fact. The subject of the thread is that he quoted Apple on something you dodged that and brought up a totally moot point to avoid addressing Apple

Lmfao. ADDRESS THE OP SUBJECT DAMN!!!! You still have failed to do so

You’re the only one here off topic. Go away and let the adults do the talking.

 

[ANTAWNM26]

You’re the only one here off topic. Go away and let the adults do the talking.

Problem is. I can read and comprehend. Where is the advertised improvements he gives links as a comparison and respond by rationalizing small vs big. This sensor that sensor. What would have been better if you had said yes Apple did say that but they lied and went into your sensor garbage

 

[Cayden]

I can’t say anything about sensor size but coming from the 7+ to the 8+ the camera is LOADS better on the 8+, like I’m blown away. The autofocus is much faster and the phone is blazing fast

 

[dallas112678]

I thought about buying the new iphone and camera is my main concern, so I check it out online...

In the key note, they said the sensor would be bigger and more light. Well....
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_8_plus-8131.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_6s_plus-7243.php

The camera spec is basically exactly the same! The camera sensor size is the main factor and it is just the same! It is 1/3" which is so small and so outdated comparing to other android flagships like Note 8 or whatever. So where is the promised improvement!? 6s is a two years old phone come on Apple!?

Iphone X would have the same main sensor as well!? 999 US dollars for a 2 years old 6s sensor!? What's going on Apple!?

I thought iphone would be finally the real king of phone camera!? Why lie in the keynote! I am very disappointed!

You know that it's a little bit more complicated than simply the overall sensor size, right? There's things like sensor efficiency, and density (getting pixels closer together, which in turn means you can have the same number of LARGER pixels in the same overall area).

How do you think full frame (and other sizes) cameras of today are much better performing than those of 10 years ago?

 

[Jawnathin]

In reality nowadays no, other competitors have "great design" as well. You know iphone x screen is from samsung right? Do you think their "design" (I would say that is "technology") is behind. So if both companies have "great design" or "technology" nowadays, the the sensor size is the biggest factor. All android phones with best camera have big sensor like Pixel and s8/s8+.

Many years ago Apple was ahead for software especially the camera software, so even the sensor was smaller than other, the quality was very similar. But not in recently 1 or 2 years.

I don’t know who manufactures the sensor in the iPhone or S8. Sometimes there is an off the shelf sensor they can plug in or sometimes the sensor design is specified by the customer and the manufacturer just makes them. In the case of Nikon, Sony makes the sensors for them but Nikon designs them to their specifications. Canon makes and designs their own sensors. And no, not all companies have ‘great design’ or ‘technology’. There are many examples of cameras being released at the same time by competing companies and one is better than the other. Anyway, this isn’t all that important.

The simple answer is that you need to look at the photos instead of worrying about sensor size. Sensor size is just one of many factors. In this case, the improvement on the 8’s camera is not from sensor size but from the technology behind it. The 8 is considered to have the best smartphone camera out there so I’m not sure why you’re hung up on sensor size being the same. The image quality is more important than the technology or sensor size behind it.

EDIT: Regarding sensor manufacturing, it is no different than Samsung making the A10 for Apple and their own S8 processor. The A10 is vastly superior design despite Samsung making both chips.

 

[appledarklord]

I don’t know who manufactures the sensor in the iPhone or S8. Sometimes there is an off the shelf sensor they can plug in or sometimes the sensor design is specified by the customer and the manufacturer just makes them. In the case of Nikon, Sony makes the sensors for them but Nikon designs them to their specifications. Canon makes and designs their own sensors. And no, not all companies have ‘great design’ or ‘technology’. There are many examples of cameras being released at the same time by competing companies and one is better than the other. Anyway, this isn’t all that important.

The simple answer is that you need to look at the photos instead of worrying about sensor size. Sensor size is just one of many factors. In this case, the improvement on the 8’s camera is not from sensor size but from the technology behind it. The 8 is considered to have the best smartphone camera out there so I’m not sure why you’re hung up on sensor size being the same. The image quality is more important than the technology or sensor size behind it.

EDIT: Regarding sensor manufacturing, it is no different than Samsung making the A10 for Apple and their own S8 processor. The A10 is vastly superior design despite Samsung making both chips.

Professional uses full frame because biggest sensor size.