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8/8+/X has the same sensor size 1/3" as 6/6+, where is the promoted improvement?
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Just read this review. It also compares pictures from the 6s to the iPhone 8. It's a world of different.
https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-plus-reviewed-the-best-smartphone-camera-ever-tested/
https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-plus-reviewed-the-best-smartphone-camera-ever-tested/
^was looking to quote that too to finally end this argument lol... 8+ definitely better than 7+ in camera department, all reviews say this already, more so with the 6s, its a no contest, just read the one above, if ur still unsatisfied with experts’ review then that says a lot
Just read this review. It also compares pictures from the 6s to the iPhone 8. It's a world of different.
https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-plus-reviewed-the-best-smartphone-camera-ever-tested/
Lol, why compare the iPhone 8 plus to the iPhone 6s non-plus? The iPhone 5s, 6, 6s have no OIS in the camera, the accurate comparison is the iPhone 6s plus vs iPhone 8 plus. iPhone 6 plus model does have OIS in the camera, which helps a lot.
Ifixit was writing about a 1/2.8 sensor when they disassembled the phone.
I agree that finally photos matter and they are great.
But if BMW held a keynote and said „displacement is bigger“ and instead they installed the same engine with more horsepower and better efficiency and acceleration. Would that be ok? No!
No one here says the iPhone 8 doesn’t make great pictures. But a lie is a lie. And if Apple lied about the specs we should work on finding the truth!
I agree that finally photos matter and they are great.
But if BMW held a keynote and said „displacement is bigger“ and instead they installed the same engine with more horsepower and better efficiency and acceleration. Would that be ok? No!
No one here says the iPhone 8 doesn’t make great pictures. But a lie is a lie. And if Apple lied about the specs we should work on finding the truth!
My 8+ takes better pix than my 7+. That’s all I care about
Just read this review. It also compares pictures from the 6s to the iPhone 8. It's a world of different.
https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-plus-reviewed-the-best-smartphone-camera-ever-tested/
Dxo had consulting service for one plus 5 then gave a good score to one plus 5.
Right before iphone 8 launch, Dxo has new scoring system and gives all iphone much higher score
I would not believe this private company scoring.
Are you sure they said it had a bigger sensor? I haven't re-watched it but I didn't take that fact away from the presentation.
I do remember something about bigger, better or deeper pixels, which could explain improvement in image quality with the same sensor size.
I could be wrong about this, as I have seen bigger sensor reported elsewhere, but it not what I recall.
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Mate, people here have tried to explain the complexity of camera design to you but you don’t seem to get it.
I’ll try another way..
One popular measure nowadays is DxO ratings as you may agree. Google Pixel and HTC U11 rode that train hard. We have just had those ratings announced for the 8 series. See below:
https://thenextweb.com/apple/2017/0...akes-best-camera-crown-from-android-says-dxo/
There’s a mention of the improvements over the previous generation iPhones as well.
Hope that helps.
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OK I am wrong. The screen just said "All new Sensor" and "Deeper pixels", no mention of larger, but he verbally said "larger".
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Yes he did, verbally, my bad.
I am very deaf and take more notice of what I see than hear, as do many people, so it is surprising that the screen summary didn't say "all new larger sensor" when sensor size is such a big deal.
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OK I am wrong. The screen just said "All new Sensor" and "Deeper pixels", no mention of larger, but he verbally said "larger".
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Yes he did, verbally, my bad.
I am very deaf and take more notice of what I see than hear, as do many people, so it is surprising that the screen summary didn't say "all new larger sensor" when sensor size is such a big deal.
Since "larger" is not on the screen summary, and it now seems the sensor may not be larger after all, I wonder if it was a very unfortunate slip of the tongue?
thats what they say on the webite... so someone must be lying
Well that is clear enough, so it just looks like the link the OP quoted is wrong?
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The wide-angle Sony CIS has a die size of 6.29 mm x 5.21 mm (32.8 mm2). This compares to a 32.3 mm2 die size for iPhone 7’s wide-angle CIS. We fast-tracked the die photographs for this teardown blog so didn’t record the color filter images today, however we can confirm a 1.22 µm pixel pitch. We do note a new Phase Pixel pattern, but the big news is the absence of surface artifacts corresponding to the through silicon via (TSV) arrays we’ve seen for a few years. A superficial review of the die photo would suggest it’s a regular back-illuminated (BSI) chip. However, we’ve confirmed it’s a stacked (Exmor RS) chip which means hybrid bonding is in use for the first time in an Apple camera!
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We’ve reached our publishing deadline for the day, but we can confirm a 1.0 µm pixel pitch and apparent hybrid bonding on the Sony Exmor RS telephoto CIS die, as we see on the wide-angle chip. The die size is 6.29 mm x 5.21 mm (32.8 mm2).
so i guess it´s 0.5mm2 bigger...
http://www.techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/apple-iphone-8-teardown/
Didn’t the 6 have an 8 mega pixel camera? The 8 has 12 so it’s not the same camera. Anyhow I’ve used the 6 plus and I now have the 7 plus. The camera is noticeably better on the the 7 plus so the camera on the 8 will be better than the camera on the 6.
Well here is the iPhone 8's 'gate scandal. Sensorgate!!!
In all seriousness you have to think about things like Apples custom designed Image Signal Processor (ISP) and how they implement their Focus Pixels technology, and all their other camera tech other than JUST the sensor size. All the components work together to make the iPhone 8/8+ the best smartphone camera ever, for a few more weeks until the iPhone X comes out, haha.
In all seriousness you have to think about things like Apples custom designed Image Signal Processor (ISP) and how they implement their Focus Pixels technology, and all their other camera tech other than JUST the sensor size. All the components work together to make the iPhone 8/8+ the best smartphone camera ever, for a few more weeks until the iPhone X comes out, haha.
Apple saying the sensor is larger is purely technical wording. It's like The guy in the video. I can lift 400 pounds, and I lift 401 pounds one day and start screaming how I've become stronger. technically true, but not really substantial. Similarly, the sensor on the iPhone 8 is 0.2 square millimetres larger. larger, yes, but not large enough to matter. More importantly, the pixel pitch is the same at 1.22um.
Sure the iPhone 8 takes somewhat better photos than the iPhone 7, but at this point apple is being very stingy with camera updates. Apple had the chance to use a larger sensor, like 1/2.5", and combined with their new ISP and software capabilities, they could've blown the competition out of the water. But no! They just choose to chug along. I don't know what are they saving it for. This year was the 10th anniversary. They could've made a statement with that phone, when it came to mobile photography.
The Note 8 is already better than the iPhone 8 series. I can only imagine what the Pixel 2 is going to do. I don't expect the iPhone X to be vastly better than the iPhone 8 Plus. Sure it has dual OIS and a larger aperture for the telephoto lens, but the same sensor.
Sure the iPhone 8 takes somewhat better photos than the iPhone 7, but at this point apple is being very stingy with camera updates. Apple had the chance to use a larger sensor, like 1/2.5", and combined with their new ISP and software capabilities, they could've blown the competition out of the water. But no! They just choose to chug along. I don't know what are they saving it for. This year was the 10th anniversary. They could've made a statement with that phone, when it came to mobile photography.
The Note 8 is already better than the iPhone 8 series. I can only imagine what the Pixel 2 is going to do. I don't expect the iPhone X to be vastly better than the iPhone 8 Plus. Sure it has dual OIS and a larger aperture for the telephoto lens, but the same sensor.
Great comment. So what is the "sensor size" of 8/8+/x main sensor in your opinion? Look like it could be 1/3" or 1/2.8"
Honestly, I don't know. I don't have the device yet because it hasn't yet launched in my country. There are only two articles, that I have come across so far, that say anything about the camera sensor size on the new iPhones. One of them says it's 1/2.8" and the other says it's unchanged, at 1/3".
I get a feeling that Apple might have put a different sensor in the iPhone X. Larger than the one on the iPhone 8/8+. So technically all three phones have a "new, larger and faster sensor" as they said in the keynote, but only the X gets the really good sensor with larger pixels. It's what I think. There is 98% chance that I'm wrong, and all the three phones have the same sensor, but who knows?
Remarkable how much incorrect and non-information/mis-information in one thread and lack of understanding. Where does anybody get something like 1/2.8" as a dimension???? Mean f2.8? That's a fstop, not a dimension.
"They’re both Sony backside-illuminated chips that measure 32.8 square millimeters — but the default, wide-angle camera sensor has a pixel pitch of 1.22 micrometers, while the zoom’s has a smaller 1-micrometer pitch."
"Larger pitch means more room for light to hit, and that extra quarter of a micrometer means a lot at this scale. So the wide camera might be considerably better in low light, requiring less ISO boosting and allowing shorter exposure lengths
"Lastly, this is the first time Apple has put a “stacked” sensor in their cameras, with pixel wells, signal processing, and memory all in one thin unit. So be sure to thank Sony too when you tell everyone how great the iPhone 8’s camera is.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/22/iphone-8-teardown-reveals-few-surprises-but-more-camera-details/
"They’re both Sony backside-illuminated chips that measure 32.8 square millimeters — but the default, wide-angle camera sensor has a pixel pitch of 1.22 micrometers, while the zoom’s has a smaller 1-micrometer pitch."
"Larger pitch means more room for light to hit, and that extra quarter of a micrometer means a lot at this scale. So the wide camera might be considerably better in low light, requiring less ISO boosting and allowing shorter exposure lengths
"Lastly, this is the first time Apple has put a “stacked” sensor in their cameras, with pixel wells, signal processing, and memory all in one thin unit. So be sure to thank Sony too when you tell everyone how great the iPhone 8’s camera is.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/22/iphone-8-teardown-reveals-few-surprises-but-more-camera-details/