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8/8+/X has the same sensor size 1/3" as 6/6+, where is the promoted improvement?

rocksyoursock said:
They are not because no unit of measurement is associated with them. 1/2.8" and 1/3" are dimensions because they are associated with " (inches).

I have no idea how to respond to this anymore. I shouldn't even be in this thread because despite the fact I will own the X when it comes out, I don't care what sensor size it has. Someone claimed a type of measurement didn't exist and confused it with f-stop while ironically accusing others of the same thing and I had to respond that it was a valid unit of measurement. I am done. The people who want to claim which camera is actually best should be taking up the comments, not me.
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Repeat. WHERE and WHAT are your quoted dimension of 1/2.8" associated with?

Making a mistake of confusing f/2.8 with 1/2.8" is a mistake people make. Coming up with some random dimension that has no association with a iphone 8 that is being discusses is something else.
 
protoxx said:
Repeat. WHERE and WHAT are your quoted dimension of 1/2.8" associated with?

Making a mistake of confusing f/2.8 with 1/2.8" is a mistake people make. Coming up with some random dimension that has no association with a iphone 8 that is being discusses is something else.
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DXOMark

1st paragraph:

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-reviewed-a-solid-performance-upgrade-over-the-iphone-7/

The Apple iPhone 8 is the highest-performing single-camera smartphone we have tested with our new protocols, with an impressive Overall score of 92. Despite having a smaller 1/2.8-inch sensor, it edges out our previous top scorers, the HTC U11 and the Google Pixel. This demonstrates how much Apple has been able to accomplish with the hardware and software that complement the sensor and are used for image processing. The iPhone 8 also provides major improvements over the iPhone 7 in a number of areas, including capturing HDR images, as well as flash performance.
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appledarklord said:
Here is a professional comment:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60158110
simple conclusion: sensor in 8 is basically same as 7 but very little bit better.
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Professional comment, well maybe, at least a forum comment.

From the fixit teardown on ip8
  • The iPhone 8 has the same ƒ/1.8, 6-element lens that we saw on the iPhone 7, but everything else about the camera is new and improved.

  • The 8's sensor is bigger than the 7's, but specs the same 12 MP resolution. This means the individual pixels are larger—letting in more light, improving colors, and decreasing noise.

    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+8+Teardown/97481

    So bigger sensor on 8 vs 7.
 
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protoxx said:
Professional comment, well maybe, at least a forum comment.

From the fixit teardown on ip8
  • The iPhone 8 has the same ƒ/1.8, 6-element lens that we saw on the iPhone 7, but everything else about the camera is new and improved.

  • The 8's sensor is bigger than the 7's, but specs the same 12 MP resolution. This means the individual pixels are larger—letting in more light, improving colors, and decreasing noise.

    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+8+Teardown/97481

    So bigger sensor on 8 vs 7.
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Look at the photo, they just pull the hardware out then they would know that spec? Of course not. Sound like they just made a guess base on what Apple claimed.
 
protoxx said:
I don't see anything like that.

CAMERA Primary Dual 12 MP, (28mm, f/1.8, OIS & 56mm, f/2.8), phase detection autofocus, 2x optical zoom, quad-LED (dual tone) flash
Features 1/3" sensor size @ 28mm, 1/3.6" sensor size @ 56mm, geo-tagging, simultaneous 4K video and 8MP image recording, touch focus, face/smile detection, HDR (photo/panorama)
Video 2160p@24/30/60fps, 1080p@30/60/120/240fps
Secondary 7 MP, f/2.2, 1080p@30fps, 720p@240fps, face detection, HDR, panorama

http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_8_plus-8131.php
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This camera information was on GSM well before the iPhone 8 was announced as it was only speculation on upcoming iphone 8 and hasn't been changed, it's the same if you go into rumored phones, all speculation, e.g go look at the upcoming pixel
 
appledarklord said:
Base on this thread:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4206729#forum-post-60151245
over 90% confirm iphone 8/8+/x main sensor is just 1/3" sensor AGAIN just like 4 years old 6/6+. What Apple staff claimed in key note was a well deigned verbal trick.
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With the examples of photo comparisons that have been posted on various web pages showing the 8/8+ taking better pictures means the sensor has improved? Something you seem to say can't happen because the same size sensor can't be improved on without increasing it's size?
 
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protoxx said:
With the examples of photo comparisons that have been posted on various web pages showing the 8/8+ taking better pictures means the sensor has improved? Something you seem to say can't happen because the same size sensor can't be improved on without increasing it's size?
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I never said it cannot be improve, just sensor is the biggest factor.
Those android flagship phones have bigger sensors, they would win no matter what Apple does with a much smaller sensor. If those android flagships got 90 points, apple can improve from like 80 to 81 through software or other hardware parts.

Apple earns your money by using the small size sensor again.
 
appledarklord said:
I never said it cannot be improve, just sensor is the biggest factor.
Those android flagship phones have bigger sensors, they would win no matter what Apple does with a much smaller sensor. If those android flagships got 90 points, apple can improve from like 80 to 81 through software or other hardware parts.

Apple earns your money by using the small size sensor again.
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Then go find the android phone with the biggest sensor and buy it. Since that's your only criterion.

Toms hardware ip8 vs galaxy note 8
ip8 winner
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-8-vs-galaxy-note-8-camera-shootout,review-4685.html
DXO ip8+, ip8 1/2
https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-plus-reviewed-the-best-smartphone-camera-ever-tested/

High end phones all have good cameras. Which is better might be evident or might just be you prefer a warmer/colder/bluer/redder image or some other small difference.
 
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protoxx said:
Then go find the android phone with the biggest sensor and buy it. Since that's your only criterion.

Toms hardware ip8 vs galaxy note 8
ip8 winner
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-8-vs-galaxy-note-8-camera-shootout,review-4685.html
DXO ip8+, ip8 1/2
https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-plus-reviewed-the-best-smartphone-camera-ever-tested/

High end phones all have good cameras. Which is better might be evident or might just be you prefer a warmer/colder/bluer/redder image or some other small difference.
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I already explained why cannot trust dxo
tom hardware? LOL it is a joke in computer community, they just suggested intel cpu for years.
If you like to believe "very likely" paid reviews, go ahead
 
appledarklord said:
Look at the photo, they just pull the hardware out then they would know that spec? Of course not. Sound like they just made a guess base on what Apple claimed.
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Honestly it sounds like you are a troll. Any evidence provided that shows the 8 camera is better, you dispute rabidly. If you think the camera is the same, who cares? Buy what you want versus trolling a community over the most pettiest issue possibly brought up on this forum in a long time.
 
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appledarklord said:
I never said it cannot be improve, just sensor is the biggest factor.
Those android flagship phones have bigger sensors, they would win no matter what Apple does with a much smaller sensor. If those android flagships got 90 points, apple can improve from like 80 to 81 through software or other hardware parts.

Apple earns your money by using the small size sensor again.
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appledarklord said:
Look at the photo, they just pull the hardware out then they would know that spec? Of course not. Sound like they just made a guess base on what Apple claimed.
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Why dont you look at the DXO camera review? They compare it all the way back to the 5S. Seems like a huge improvement over the 6S to me.
So what if the sensor size is the same if the ending picture quality is a lot better?
 
what they need to improve is the mega pixels.. 12 starts to really show.
 
definitely. his only other topic is one about OLED burn-in and how the X will have that problem after 1 year
 
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appledarklord said:
Not at all, the iphone 8 photos just look like how samsung process photo with software by "adding" more unnatural color on it. The youtuber explained this very well.

Just as the youtuber explained and the photos speak for itself, the photo quality of 8 is around same as 7 and far behind from android best camera flagships. Iphone X will have the same main sensor so same result.
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What best Android camera flagships are you referring to? Anyway...

The photos he provided demonstrate that the photo quality of the 8 in fact is improved in terms of clarity, detail and dynamic range. Yet the vlogger dismissed these evidence of improvement as if they mattered not at all. Perhaps they don't matter to a buyer who is extremely price conscious, but that does not mean the improvements should be dismissed absolutely.

Regarding color, I own three Samsungs currently and have owned six in total. I know what Samsung image processing does to colors. It can be pretty extreme in the 2016 and older models.

There are some examples sprinkled across the web that demonstrate the IPhone 8 adding warmth to colors in some situations, but it's not such a prevailing issue, from what I can see so far, that it is a problem, per se. All cameras, even DSLRs exaggerate some colors beyond what the typical human eye perceives of the scene at the exact moment the picture is taken. It becomes a matter of individual taste as to which manufacturer's rendering of color you prefer. No cell phone camera that I have ever seen so far has been able to completely reproduce color or lighting exactly as my eyes see it live. The iPhone 7 Plus comes the closest among the phones I've owned personally so far.

I won't know about the iPhone 8 until I see more samples and perhaps own it myself, but I've seen nothing posted by friends in this forum to give me cause for alarm. At worst, I've noticed an occasional tendency for highlights to be blown out. This can be adjusted in future software updates, I'm sure, as some people have already mitigated the problem using third party camera apps.
 
teknikal90 said:
Why dont you look at the DXO camera review? They compare it all the way back to the 5S. Seems like a huge improvement over the 6S to me.
So what if the sensor size is the same if the ending picture quality is a lot better?
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Already explained why cannot trust dxo
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Black Magic said:
OP will not respond again now that he has been outted as an Samsung Astro Turfer.
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I use iphone and said i dont like samsung or samsung burn-in screen
 
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