8 GB iPhone 5c Packaging Label Shown in New Photo

[john123]

I disagree, photography on the iPhone is big for the average person. It's the tech nerd
who will have a fancy standalone camera, everyone else will use their phone. Photos and music are completely "average joe" things.

The "average joe" you're talking about wouldn't be looking at an iPhone at all.

This "average Joe" term is getting stupid, because everyone keeps bringing their own idea of what it means into the discussion. So let's dispense with that. We're talking about people who use their phone, again, just as a communications device. They don't take many pictures at all, they don't download a lot of apps. As demographics go, they're skewed older.

I don't understand why some of you people keep making blanket statements about how everyone uses their phone. Unless you've been in market research and done extensive analyses on these subjects, you can't.

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im not saying there is no market for it, there definitely is. But 16 should be the norm, if not 32. Especially if apple wants to be able to update phones for the 4 or so years. iOS 11 will probably be so large it won't be able to fit onto the 8gb with enough room to have a good amount of apps/pictures/music that will be collected in that time.

Uhm, why would Apple really want people to keep their phones for "4 or so years"? Answer: they don't. They're much happier with people upgrading frequently for obvious reasons. If you want to pay to future-proof your device to delay your upgrades, they're happy to give you an option to do that—but it ain't going to be in the cheapest entry level model.

 

[mdelvecchio]

8GB is an insult to customers. 16GB barely cuts it when you're using the iPhone as it's supposed to be used (some music, some photos, some apps).

i am eternally perplexed that someone would be angered by something unrelated to them. if entry-level users what a cheaper, smaller-capacity iphone, who cares? dont like it, dont buy it...simple problem.

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This is what pisses me off about Apple. As stated above, I can buy a 32GB thumb drive for around $20 - maybe even less on sale - and Apple is still offering an 8GB iPhone...

you dont really believe the slow memory in your thumb drive is the same as on phones, do you?

 

[iLondoner]

If all the naysayers are right about the impracticability of 8GB are correct, then presumably Apple doesn't sell any of the current 8GB iPhone 4S ???

 

[mdelvecchio]

Apple's products are great. But it's crap like this that actually makes me think they're retarded. I was hoping that the base model of the iPhone 6 would be 32 gb for the 200 dollar price point. Cuz it switched from 8 up to 16 a few years ago. How do you even justify selling an 8 gb phone in 2014!?!?!? Bad Apple.

entry-level. it's not for you.

 

[Count Blah]

I'm confident many consumers will love this new option in the iPhone product family. This new option meets the needs of those who want the very best phone on the marketplace, but they only want to use a few everyday apps like Facebook, Twitter, Dominos Pizza, Notes and Mail.

I'm definitely excited to see how many new customers buy one of these awesome devices.

Thanks for checking in Tim.

 

[springsup]

We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk.

Apple seems to want to make a lower-priced device now, but they still want to keep their margins insanely high. An 8GB iPhone 5C is a piece of junk.

 

[mdelvecchio]

The non-upgradeable memory is to force your money through Apples hands if you need more Mem. They are doing the exactly same thing across the Mac Lines.

not really, and theyre totally different items. not having external storage is about OS and hardware design. it's much simpler to build an OS that doesnt support external storage (ex: what happens when the storage is removed -- do the app icons disappear? what if you load somebody else's memory card? etc...). RAM on macs is a different issue, and it's only the entry-level iMac that doesnt have upgradeable.

Being a long time Apple Fan, it has been years of disappointment as I watch Apple move to form over function and in cases like this, money grabbing.

creating a cheaper entry-level item isnt money grabbing. it's just not for you. also, if you believe able has never been about form, then you havent been an apple fan for very long. read up on the original mac design decisions -- it's an old, old design decision from before you were born.

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Diagnostic_Port.txt

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My partner just bought the 16GB 5s and thinks it sucks big time due to low memory. 8GB is a complete and utter joke, just like the high priced 5c compared to the 5s.

er, iOS has one of the smallest OS footprints. half of samsung & windows devices are used up by the system.

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If this phone is free on contract, I can see the market for it. It would be perfect for my mom. She has a 16GB 4S that has no music, no videos, and hardly any apps or photos. I would imagine there are plenty of folks out there that are just like her.

yup. you get it. entry-level is for entry-level users.

 

[SeenJeen]

I have 4GB of music on my 16GB 5S, and 200 photos, and I'm out of space.

8GB is not enough.

 

[dumastudetto]

Thanks for checking in Tim.

i was just giving an honest assessment of the situation. I genuinely do believe this new product offering will be an exceptional choice for a lot of consumers.

 

[Cougarcat]

We're talking about people who use their phone, again, just as a communications device. They don't take many pictures at all, they don't download a lot of apps. As demographics go, they're skewed older.

I don't understand why some of you people keep making blanket statements about how everyone uses their phone. Unless you've been in market research and done extensive analyses on these subjects, you can't.

You just did the same thing there.

I think the popularity of the iPod (and the subsequent decline of it), and the fact that the iPhone is the most popular camera in the world, makes me more likely to believe most iPhone users use their phones for music, the internet, and photos.

You are right, we're just taking guesses at what the "average joe" means. But for reasons I've already stated, an 8GB iPhone is a subpar experience, and it's only going to get worse as the OS, photos, and apps get larger.

 

[Thunderhawks]

"Would of"? I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm pretty sure you mean "would have".

Autocorrect at work most likely and when in a hurry not re-reading.

The forum police will talk to you about that!

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Yeah, 8GB phones are ideal for people who hardly use their phone.

They still get charged for having an iPhone.

I have been posting about waiting for a 128GB which is overdue.
Skipped the 5S for that reason.

So, if the 6 still only has 64GB max, I'll be waiting.

For all current and future Apple users: Always buy the highest memory configuration if you plan to hold on to the device for 3 years.

By that time it will almost be the bottom rung. For IOS devices it may take a little longer.

8GB at this point in tech land is embarrassing. Only if this is a FREE phone is it excusable!

 

[Count Blah]

i was just giving an honest assessment of the situation. I genuinely do believe this new product offering will be an exceptional choice for a lot of consumers.

opinion? you were excited about this release. That's more than opinion.

It will be the choice of those looking for the absolute cheapest way to get into the apple ecosystem, only to have a bad experience as there is not enough space for pictures(let alone videos), nor many apps, nor music, nor for OS updates, etc...

"Enjoy the new 8g apple 5c, the best in planned obsolescence. If you want to play, you gotsta pay with apple - no free lunches. It's why we've not updated the max mini in years. We can't have folks enjoying apple on the cheap "

 

[cdmoore74]

If this phone is free on contract, I can see the market for it. It would be perfect for my mom. She has a 16GB 4S that has no music, no videos, and hardly any apps or photos. I would imagine there are plenty of folks out there that are just like her.

I've seen the 5c 16gig for like $30 on contract. Even free does not make since. This entire 5c business is Tim Cook's first true failure under his belt. Or would that be the overpriced ipod touch line up? The $179 Moto G kills the ipod at a cheaper price and you can actually make calls with it. Embarrassing!

 

[dumastudetto]

It will be the choice of those looking for the absolute cheapest way to get into the apple ecosystem, only to have a bad experience as there is not enough space for pictures(let alone videos), nor many apps, nor music, nor for OS updates, etc...

"Enjoy the new 8g apple 5c, the best in planned obsolescence. If you want to play, you gotsta pay with apple - no free lunches. It's why we've not updated the max mini in years. We can't have folks enjoying apple on the cheap "

You do realise the majority of customers don't have a ton of apps, music or photos loaded on their phones? Apple does analytics on customer behaviour and they'll know very well there is a big market for this new product offering.

It's still an iPhone. The experience will be phenomenal.

 

[musika]

Betcha this will replace the 8GB 4s as the free iPhone model.

Also worth noting, a lot of you folks are looking at this with the eyes of Apple geeks with enough money to by the best of the best. Of course you won't buy an 8GB 5c, but that doesn't mean other people won't. It makes sense if they release it in place of the 4s. I always felt that this lineup was off anyway. For example, the free 4s is an engineering marvel, and the $100 5c, while beautiful in its own regard, simply isn't of the same quality that the 4s is.

You know?

 

[Tinmania]

The idea of having an 8GB iPhone, seven years after the iPhone debuted with an 8GB, is strange in light of past history. If you look seven years before the iPhone you see devices' memory measured closer to 64 megabytes, a fraction of the iPhone's.


Mike

 

[MVallee]

The price difference for Apple between an 8GB chip and a 16GB chip can't be that much to justify making a new model. How much could they really shave off the price by saving only a few dollars? Would make more sense to drop the price of the 16GB if they want to make it more affordable.

 

[truettray]

Better idea... make the base 5S 32gb. Every year I write Apple a strongly worded email about this, and I claim that I'm not going to buy their phone this year. (I usually do..)

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You do realise the majority of customers don't have a ton of apps, music or photos loaded on their phones? Apple does analytics on customer behaviour and they'll know very well there is a big market for this new product offering.

You mean just like they knew that a plastic iPhone would sell exceptionally well...

 

[john123]

You just did the same thing there.

I'm talking about a target demographic. I did away with the "average Joe" thing for a reason. Also, I have a background in market research, so I actually have a leg to stand on.

I think the popularity of the iPod (and the subsequent decline of it), and the fact that the iPhone is the most popular camera in the world, makes me more likely to believe most iPhone users use their phones for music, the internet, and photos.

What "most" people do is irrelevant. The reason for product lineup diversification is that not all consumers are homogenous. With heterogeneous preferences comes the need for heterogeneous products. The older demographic is still substantial, even if its use cases aren't the majority. And that is why this is a very sensible product.

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Also worth noting, a lot of you folks are looking at this with the eyes of Apple geeks with enough money to by the best of the best. Of course you won't buy an 8GB 5c, but that doesn't mean other people won't.

This times 1000. People have a bad habit of assuming their preferences are more universal than they actually are.

 

[Kobayagi]

I think this would be a nice phone for people who just want to use it for calls. I like the idea.

Gaming and other fun stuff really doesn't appeal to me on a small screen, but I do like the iOS experience, so I got an iPad for the fun stuff and this iPhone would serve just as a phone and maybe 2-3 apps.

If this is true, I'm interested to see what it'll cost. If they can make it around €350 that would be a buy for me.

 

[Cougarcat]

I'm talking about a target demographic.

So am I. When I say "most" people, I mean people who are going to a) be interested in an iPhone in the first place B) Don't want to pay more than $0 out of pocket for one and C) Don't mind paying the extra $ for the data fee.

I still say these types of users are just as likely to be taking pictures and listening to music as they are surfing the web on their phones. Your older demographic who would also be interested in the $0 iPhone and just cares about web browsing, I would argue, is a much smaller one. More people who want to do those things are going to be buying this than those who aren't. They are going to buy it because it's "free," then realize 8GB is not nearly enough, and get frustrated. I don't think it's a good move.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here.

 

[john123]

So am I. When I say "most" people, I mean people who are going to a) be interested in an iPhone in the first place B) Don't want to pay more than $0 out of pocket for one and C) Don't mind paying the extra $ for the data fee.

I still say these types of users are just as likely to be taking pictures and listening to music as they are surfing the web on their phones. Your older demographic who would also be interested in the $0 iPhone and just cares about web browsing, I would argue, is a much smaller one. More people who want to do those things are going to be buying this than those who aren't. They are going to buy it because it's "free," then realize 8GB is not nearly enough, and get frustrated. I don't think it's a good move.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here.

No, we aren't. This is a matter of empirical evidence, research, and fact. It isn't an "opinion." Moreover, you're not even addressing what I'm saying and are, instead, talking about something else entirely.

Of course the older demographic is a smaller one. Did you even read what I posted about heterogenous consumers? For the second time, it does not matter what the "majority" of consumers do. If that were the only thing that mattered, there would be a single product.

Of course people who use a lot of apps and take a lot of photos aren't going to buy this 8GB iPhone 5C. That is not the point, nor is it the target demographic for this device.

Good grief.

 

[Macman45]

8 GB is very impractical when you need 1.5 GB just to install an update...

Right. I can't see an 8GB phone selling except maybe to young kids. My music library occupies 12.7GB before I do anything else. If the price is right, and I mean CHEAP right, then maybe.....what would you all pay for an 8GB iPhone...? Curious.

 

[Merkie]

"Madness" is insisting there's a particular way a device is "supposed" to be used. My dad would be just fine with a 4GB iPhone. Just because you are not the target demographic for this device does not mean that a target demographic doesn't exist.

I don't doubt that. The price point is what angers me. iPhones already come at a premium pripe, and even with that premium price the storage capacity is still embarassingly low.

 

[Cougarcat]

Of course people who use a lot of apps and take a lot of photos aren't going to buy this 8GB iPhone 5C.
Good grief.

Except that they are, because it's free, and they don't know any better. App use aside, normal people buy iPhones with the expectation of taking pictures and music just as much as they do surfing the web, and that takes up space.

They aren't going to realize how little 8 GB is. They aren't going to know how much space the OS takes up, or how much space you need to install updates. They are going to see, "oh, a free iPhone," and buy it. In an ideal world people would be tech-savvy and they would realize they should invest in the $99 model, but this is not the world we live in.

Apple is famous for saying that it doesn't go for cheap because it doesn't want to make products that are crappy. An 8 GB iPhone would be crappy for all but your older demographic, but more people other than this demographic would buy it.

Now all that said, it's possible that this phone will only be for low-end markets, and this would certainly be appropriate there because cost is the utmost concern. But that's it.