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Hmmm. I don't see how they are any different from any other manufacturer. You almost always get less product for more money

Not sure if you are talking phones, pads, or Macs so I will answer all of them.

First with phones and pads, most of these NON-IOS models have the ability to added extra storage (not configured with the device). Apple does not offer that for the reasons I suggested. MONEY.

Mac are even easier to see the difference. If you are to go to buy a Laptop with an IPS (retina) screen, Apple will run you $2100-$3000 whereas a PC would run you $1000-$2000. HUGE difference in price. Apple gives you a 1YR Warranty with the ridiculous option of spending $350+Tax on an additional 2YRs. What do you get with the retina MBP? A completely non-user serviceable, user non-repairable system. If you memory goes bad, you need a logic board (UNAVAILABLE outside of an Apple repair facility). Can you upgrade your memory to make your $3K+ system last a few extra years (NOPE). Can you update your SSD/Flash to gain more storage when you run out (NOPE).

The key questions are....
- Is Apple more focused on Form (thinness) over function (value)? Absolutely... For years, Apple innovation has primarily been thinner or in the case of the iMac, perception of thinner. Meanwhile, proprietary hardware and lack of user long term functionality is the price the user pays.
- Could Apple create a retina MBP line with standard pinned flash and non-soldered RAM. YEP, but you would not be forced to pay their APPLE TAX. Oh, and it might be 2mm thicker :) LOL

I can love Apple products while still be extremely critical of the road Apple is taking. Unless they change course, their competitors are going to be offering just as good or better systems at 60% the cost and pushing Apple slowly out of the market.
 
8GB even if it's fast solid state is a joke, hell most computers have more ram as standard. This is not enough, i hasten to add 16gb is too small for light users too.

Apple please tell us this is something faked or totally binned from an old 5c line up.

My guess is this was a version of the 5c which almost made it to production but was shelved due to very poor user testing.
 
8GB is an insult to customers. 16GB barely cuts it when you're using the iPhone as it's supposed to be used (some music, some photos, some apps). :mad:

I know some people with an 8GB iPhone, and they're always running out of space. And these are light users, who only have a few apps and occasionally take a photo or two. I'd say 8GB devices are basically crippled out of the box.

Apple needs to stop this madness.

Well, if they're going to offer *something* with 8 GB of storage, I'd rather it be an 8 GB 5c than an 8 GB 4S. Continuing to sell the iPhone 4S to the masses was just an insult here in the U.S. considering almost the entire country will be blanketed by LTE coverage through one or more carriers by the end of this year.
 
I really wish Apple and all the other smartphone manufactures would finally put the 8 GB storage option to death.
Stop nickel and diming us when flash at these capacities is so cheap.
 
Not sure if you are talking phones, pads, or Macs so I will answer all of them.

First with phones and pads, most of these NON-IOS models have the ability to added extra storage (not configured with the device). Apple does not offer that for the reasons I suggested. MONEY.

Mac are even easier to see the difference. If you are to go to buy a Laptop with an IPS (retina) screen, Apple will run you - whereas a PC would run you - HUGE difference in price. Apple gives you a 1YR Warranty with the ridiculous option of spending +Tax on an additional 2YRs. What do you get with the retina MBP? A completely non-user serviceable, user non-repairable system. If you memory goes bad, you need a logic board (UNAVAILABLE outside of an Apple repair facility). Can you upgrade your memory to make your K+ system last a few extra years (NOPE). Can you update your SSD/Flash to gain more storage when you run out (NOPE).

The key questions are....
- Is Apple more focused on Form (thinness) over function (value)? Absolutely... For years, Apple innovation has primarily been thinner or in the case of the iMac, perception of thinner. Meanwhile, proprietary hardware and lack of user long term functionality is the price the user pays.
- Could Apple create a retina MBP line with standard pinned flash and non-soldered RAM. YEP, but you would not be forced to pay their APPLE TAX. Oh, and it might be 2mm thicker :) LOL

I can love Apple products while still be extremely critical of the road Apple is taking. Unless they change course, their competitors are going to be offering just as good or better systems at 60% the cost and pushing Apple slowly out of the market.

Wow, I completely agree. I know all of the stuff you mentioned and also love Apple products but being critical like this only shows what kind of company they are. I love how their products look and I like their OS (which is far from perfect btw, but still nicer than Windows), but I hate their business decisions and if it wasn't for them, I'm sure they'd have many many more happy customers. The unnecessary restrictions they put on their products and OS are ruining the whole experience.
 
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Following reports this morning claiming that Apple is introducing an 8 GB iPhone 5c tomorrow, Engadget has received a photo of what is said to be the label from the device's packaging.

The label is from a blue 8 GB iPhone 5c and carries a new part number of MG902 to go along with with the existing A1507 model number that is used on iPhone 5c devices sold in Europe and the Middle East for compatibility with cellular networks in those countries.

Article Link: 8 GB iPhone 5c Packaging Label Shown in New Photo

Not for the US Market. Free Phone for EU and Middle Earth. :apple:
 
I still own an iPhone 4 and with money tight and the price of IPhones very high (the 5C starts at $899 here) I'd probably have to get an 8GB phone again, but I'd really want ones with higher storage.
 
Well, if they're going to offer *something* with 8 GB of storage, I'd rather it be an 8 GB 5c than an 8 GB 4S. Continuing to sell the iPhone 4S to the masses was just an insult here in the U.S. considering almost the entire country will be blanketed by LTE coverage through one or more carriers by the end of this year.
That's true as well. Apple needs to stop pricing iPhones by filling in price gaps and start thinking what devices are really worth. The pricing is so conservative. I thought Apple always thought you shouldn't be afraid to cannabilize your own products, but now they clearly are.
9to5mac is reporting the the iPad 4 may be revived tomorrow along side the 8GB 5C ... why is Apple moving backwards?? :confused:

http://9to5mac.com/2014/03/17/light...-its-return-tomorrow-alongside-8gb-iphone-5c/
They're not moving backwards if they're getting rid of the 4S and iPad 2. Finally the end of the 30-pin connector.
 
Any chance they plan to drop the prices on all 5c models and introduce the 8gb 5c as a real low cost entry point?

Nah.
 
I don't think this is meant for the major market. I think this is meant for the developing markets.
 
What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of my Nokia Lumia with SDHC slot that costs literally a tenth of what you're asking for the cheapest iPhone, Apple.

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Not for the US Market. Free Phone for EU and Middle Earth. :apple:

Three Phones for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne,
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Phone to rule them all, One Phone to find them,
One Phone to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
 
A quick search bought up this article that suggests the 8Gb 5C would be price at around £420 in the UK, or 60 Euros less than the 16Gb iPhone 5C.

That's still an awful lot of money, it would have to be under £300 for me to consider buying that version - but for the fairly small price differential I'd probably go for the 16Gb version.

Exhibit A: Amazon.co.uk has the yellow 32GB iPhone 5c for £420, and the blue/white/coral 16GB model for £389-399, and those prices are consistent across the EU for third-party retailers.

£420 for the 8GB version doesn't seem to be such a fantastic bargain. Neither would £369 be.
 
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Things like this are just embarrassing.

Apple, come to your senses. Make 32 the base storage in the next iPhone. And get rid of the 5C, it's so pointless when they should be selling the 5 in place of the 5C.

"Embarrassing" is not understanding the core concepts of business profitability through a heterogeneous product line.

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I really wish Apple and all the other smartphone manufactures would finally put the 8 GB storage option to death.
Stop nickel and diming us when flash at these capacities is so cheap.

Don't like it? The solution is simple. DON'T BUY IT. You have 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB options that you can choose. I fail to understand your complaint.

Demand for Apple products is, for many segments (including people like you), relatively price inelastic. For them to do anything other than what they are doing would just be stupid and bad business.

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I bought my partner a 32GB iPhone 5S since there was no 16GB available morning of...even though we were the first in line at BestBuy...he hasn't gone past the 16GB mark...

A lot of the older crowd simply don't use that much space....barely 100 songs, a handful of useful apps...a couple small sized games and that's it.

8GB is realistic for a lot of users. I think this will target the spoiled children whose parents get the cheapest model of iPhone possible...when they grow up and (hopefully) get a job, they can upgrade to a bigger/better iPhone.

Yup, that's absolutely one very important demographic. The other is older people who are sort of technophobes but still connect to the internet to read news stories, check their stocks, etc. An 8GB phone serves both of those markets perfectly.

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Umm, the cost difference between 8GB and 16GB of NAND flash is only a couple bucks. Unless they're only dropping the price a couple of bucks, this makes no sense.

They could have dropped the price without cutting capacity, and would still be making nearly as much money on price-dropped 16GB models as they are on these compromised 8GB ones.

This logic is incorrect. You're assuming the only driver of profit is cost. It isn't. The impact of simply dropping price is a shift in the demand curves for the various products.

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C'mon, Apple. This makes you look like friggin' idiots.

Sweet, sweet irony.
 
sure, why not, if it only costs 300, which is of course impossible. Therefore, go home Apple. Don't try to squeeze the margin by fooling your customers.
 
Apple currently sells 8GB iPhone 4 (emerging markets) and iPhone 4S products. An 8GB iPhone 5C is clearly a better product, and some people will buy it. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Case closed.

Now, on the technical side, Apple offers slightly different iOS builds for different devices. It's possible they will slim down iOS a bit more for an 8GB iPhone 5C. For example, they could put the Stocks app in the App Store instead of preloading it. (An 8GB iPhone 5C buyer may not be checking his/her stock portfolio too often.) Compass, Game Center, Passbook, and Newsstand are other possible App Store candidates. Instead of 40 wallpaper images they could load 20 -- or, specifically, instead of the 18 that take up appreciable space they could cut that to, say, 6 or 8. Language support could also possibly be modularized and loaded on demand from the App Store, or all the languages could be supported but with fewer font types and with App Store loading of additional fonts (e.g. if an app requires one, that "extra" font is loaded). There's probably also some cruft that's built up and could be cleaned out with normal "spring cleaning." And compression algorithms are better, with better performing processors -- the 5C is much faster than the 4 and 4S -- so Apple could recompress parts of iOS, especially those parts that are infrequently accessed.
 
Maybe Apple will put an upgradable microSD slot in the iPhone 5C, so carriers can give it away for free with a plan, and Chinese people can afford it.
 
I get the Point

If you subscribe to a voice/text only plan, which a lot of people do, because these plans are cheap, wireless providers will amortize some kind of low end android hardware over 24 mo. and throw it in with the plan. A 16gb iphone 5c will run an additional hundred bucks or so.

The android UI sucks, and this class of consumers is likely to phone, text, use the pda apps, camera, and little else. They are unlikely to game or watch HD movies on their phones, and thus don't need alot of muscle or storage.

8 gb is plenty of storage for a few albums for the commute, work-outs etc, and your fav photos, plus any photos you may take on any given day.

An 8gb iPhone 5c would be cheap enough that it would be available from a TelCo with no money down, amortized over 2yrs with a voice/text plan.

This is about putting very sexy easy to use phones in more hands, which may additionally drive sales of $30 cases, and $35 lightning to 30 pin connectors for the stereos, gym equipment, automotive systems that these new iPhone owners already have been using with their ancient iPod nanos.
 
This is what pisses me off about Apple. As stated above, I can buy a 32GB thumb drive for around $20 - maybe even less on sale - and Apple is still offering an 8GB iPhone...:rolleyes::mad:

I don't like this decision too, but i suppose 10-15MB/s memory are not the same high speed flash used in iPhone.

Most users forget to import photos and delete them from the camera roll, so they full they devices even 32GB ones. Anyway 8GB is very little nowadays, i know a lot of people who would choose 8GB because they use iPhone just for few apps, email and internet but 16GB should be minimum.
 
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