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All I can say is that I compared the new iPad Pro against the 12.9 iPad Pro in the store, and eventually purchased the 12.9 inch model. I just can't get over how different the experience is with the bigger screen. Comics/books are readable without zooming, playing games is like being inside the screen, typing on the bigger keyboard (as I am doing now) is so much better than the tiny smaller keyboard. 4gb of RAM sure can't hurt. I just feel bad about the price, it goes crazy when you go 256gb.
 
All I can say is that I compared the new iPad Pro against the 12.9 iPad Pro in the store, and eventually purchased the 12.9 inch model. I just can't get over how different the experience is with the bigger screen. Comics/books are readable without zooming, playing games is like being inside the screen, typing on the bigger keyboard (as I am doing now) is so much better than the tiny smaller keyboard. 4gb of RAM sure can't hurt. I just feel bad about the price, it goes crazy when you go 256gb.

I agree with you, unless it's an on the move item where space is THE most important issue, I'd go with the larger model.
Personally however, I could not deal with the fact the smaller model has the better camera, and we are probably only 6 months away from the larger model getting updated with the same camera, AND probably a spec bump in general, so for the sake of 6 months, given the price point I think I'd make do with what I have till then.
 
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I had been waiting for an update to the iPad 9.7 since early last year. Despite my gripes on the price bump, I got mine today. So far I'm happy and the true tone display really makes a difference to me.
A pity for the 2GB of RAM which - I'm afraid - doesn't make the iPad really future proof (and this could be easily be intended by Apple in order to shorten the upgrade cycles).
 
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I think the reviews claiming it's a major improvement over the Air 2 are stretching it just a little bit. Once you let the hype die off you'll find many of the improvements rather trivial. IMO.

Indeed, and this harks back to my previous post.

Years ago I had a PC, and the Quake 1 demo came out. At the time I was totally groundbreaking. Quake 1 Was and always will be special, we played it for hours, deathmatched in the demo :)

But our PC's at the time struggled a LOT, graphics card makers saw what they needed to do, CPU's got a bit better and we got faster PC's and now the game was amazing, it was not smooth and the whole world moved on.

THIS is what needs to happen.

We do not want Devs making games etc that run fine on older devices, we want, at least a group of the best devs to create games that run like crap on another other than THE very latest iPads and iPhone, and then when the next iPad or iPhone come out, make new games that need THESE new devices to run well.

Software pushes hardware.

And this is a LOT of the problem over the past decade of boring hardware, general people, running general software, feel it's generally good enough so we get a lot stagnation.

Software needs to demand the best hardware, it drives us forward past mediocrity.

Unfortunately Apple are the kings of making hardware that's "good enough" for most people.
We'd still be living in iCaves if the past was like this.
Nice, but no houses, as hey, caves, are fine for most people.
 
To push sales I'd have thought apple would have been competitive with thier price, instead they have gone the other way , making It more expansive, needing accessories and being sold as a desktop replacement now.
Offering optional accessories equals 'needing accessories'? How dare they offer a pencil, I now have to buy it. And how do they dare to offer their own keyboard cover (in addition to selling third-party keyboard covers in their store), I now have to buy that as well.
 
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Unlike many people who commented here though, I don't care much at all about the improved speakers. I'm a bit surprised so many people actually use them? Whenever I observe people using iOS, I notice that typically, only kids or pre-teens can be found watching videos or playing games on them while using the built-in speakers. Everyone else has some kind of headphones or earbuds paired up with them so the whole world doesn't have to hear whatever they're listening to.
I think that is observer bias. If people only use headphones when they have people around them (to not bother them), then by definition you'll never see them not using headphones, because you seeing them means that they are not alone. And equally you cannot see whether they use headphones when they are alone because by definition when they are alone, you are not around and thus cannot see them.

It's the classic situation where the act of observing (eg, being in the same room) alters the observed behaviour (the use of headphones).
 
I haven't tried it at all, but I would recommend just leaving it on for a few days and see if you still feel the same way. I could see it being weird when you first turn it on, but I bet it just fades into normality pretty quickly.

Reminds me of the switch from CRT displays to flat screen displays.
 
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I can't justify $200 for this over the Air 2 I'm sorry. I'm sure others can but if you use it mostly for web browsing and playing around in a few apps then no, just no.
But to be fair, an iPad Air 2 just for web browsing and playing around in a few apps?
 
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they keep updating the hardware but the software still sucks for a screen that big

Indeed yes 100% correct, and, in part is what I've been saying.
Both in Software being pushed to the max demanding better hardware, whilst of course, taking "THE" very best advantage of the current best hardware.

It's this "good enough for most users", almost cancer that's invaded our devices we need to treat and eliminate.
 
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tried a 9.7 Pro today and the true tone display is awesome. I did not notice it being on to begin with, and so turned the setting off and instantly wanted back on as I was met with the cold LCD display. That paper white promise was not just marketing it looks great.

Only thing, not sure if there is some extra input lag on the 9.7 when using the pencil compared to the 12.9.

But I think I know what iPad I am going to buy.
 
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Complicated product line is the result of businessman being the CEO.
it's not very complicated. nor is it 1997:

https://techpinions.com/why-2016-isnt-1997-for-apple/44434
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Protruding camera = no buy.
despite it having no bearing on usage. cool story bro
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I can't justify $200 for this over the Air 2 I'm sorry. I'm sure others can but if you use it mostly for web browsing and playing around in a few apps then no, just no.
who said you're supposed to? sounds like you don't need the pro...good thing Apple sells other models, huh?
 
Not seeing any reason to upgrade my Air 2 and I'm not recommending friends and family to upgrade their older iPads until they break. This new iPad isn't going to help declining sales
 
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I have a question about the TrueTone Screen.

What I think Apple MUST have done, is allow the user to set the amount it changes.

Some may will a dramatic colour temperate (cold to warm) change as the surrounding light changes, others may like the effect, but not wish such a dramatic change.

So, yes full marks to Apple for adding this feature, but GIANT negative marks, if Apple are being "cocks" as usual and deciding the strength of the change and not allowing the user to alter the amount it changes by.

Can anyone clarify?

I think part of the magic is that you don't have to mess with it. The lack of settings is definitely from the "it just works" line of Apple's thinking.

Given the vast variances in room colors, manually setting it would probably be a nightmare.
 
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Yeah, maybe when my iPad Air 2 wears out.


That will take several years ;-)
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Another protruding camera, how disappointing. I do wonder how artists use the iPad Pro with a protruding camera as it rocks back and forward on a flat surface. Maybe it requires a case to be used?


Most artist that I know, including myself, will use there tablets not flat when drawing on it.
 
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Mac rumors should work for Apple marketing. Just pushed me over the edge into ordering an iPad Pro 9.7 space grey 128GB...
 
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I agree with the signature line of someone on this site (I can't remember who) which reads "Its all about the use case, nothing else matters." I received my iPad Pro this past Thursday and I love the enhanced sound, true tone display and extra storage capacity (I bought the 256 GB). I haven't used it yet but I am looking forward to using the better cameras and the new rear facing flash. However, what made the purchase worthwhile to me was the new keyboard & pencil. I am very happy with my purchase but if you don't need the keyboard and pencil then it might be hard to justify the cost of the upgrade for the bump in processor speed, sound quality & display features.
 
Currently I have the mini 2 and it is still going strong for my needs and I hope this is the case for another couple of years. Prior to this iPad I had the iPad 3 and the original iPad. I have enjoyed them all for what they were but I am really glad to see that Apple is continuing to push what the iPad can do. Even though the updates are somewhat incremental year after year it is a big upgrade if you wait 3 or more years between iPads. The next iPad will be bigger and I'm tempted by the 12.9"

That being said, I just got an 8" Galaxy Tab at work and for $350 with 3GBs of ram I am impressed. I prefer the iPad but dollar for dollar the Galaxy isn't so bad.
 
I think part of the magic is that you don't have to mess with it. The lack of settings is definitely from the "it just works" line of Apple's thinking.

Given the vast variances in room colors, manually setting it would probably be a nightmare.

I'll agree to disagree :)

Like screen brightness, We all have a level we like, perhaps I like the yellow? tone applied a bit, but not to the max.
Just give me a MAX slider, so I can set how far it will go, and let it work automatically, but never pass my MAX setting is all I ask.

Otherwise, what will happen is some won't like how far it changes and will just disable it.

Be like an Auto Volume for the loudspeaker that got louder and louder depending on ambient noise.
That's great, but there shoudl also be a user MAX setting so you can set how, automatically high, it will reach before it stops.

Think this is all pretty reasonable.
 
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