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970 Machines Assembled/Sealed?
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Apple must feel pretty confident if they are going to let all this new technology just sit and get old for a month.
I hope it comes with everything a $1,500+ PC without a monitor comes with. Its going to have to be a pretty fast machine for the RDF to work this time. I am sure the REV 2 Powermacs will be worth it when they come out but I don't know about the REV 1's. Apple never seems to get those right, unless you buy the high end model. Usually they stick the new chips on old motherboards and then later you find out that your machine isnt as compatible as the other machines that came out with it at the same time. (G4 Yikes)
They really need to get it right from the start this time.
I hope it comes with everything a $1,500+ PC without a monitor comes with. Its going to have to be a pretty fast machine for the RDF to work this time. I am sure the REV 2 Powermacs will be worth it when they come out but I don't know about the REV 1's. Apple never seems to get those right, unless you buy the high end model. Usually they stick the new chips on old motherboards and then later you find out that your machine isnt as compatible as the other machines that came out with it at the same time. (G4 Yikes)
They really need to get it right from the start this time.
Re: 970 Chips in Powerbooks?
No they don't. As I said, 19 W for 1.2 GHz PPC 970 vs. the 21 or more watts required for a 1 GHz G4.
The PowerPC 970 at that frequency is perfect for the PowerBooks until Apple comes up with better ways to cool the systems and provides more power (fuel cells, anyone?)
No they don't. As I said, 19 W for 1.2 GHz PPC 970 vs. the 21 or more watts required for a 1 GHz G4.
The PowerPC 970 at that frequency is perfect for the PowerBooks until Apple comes up with better ways to cool the systems and provides more power (fuel cells, anyone?)
With it being a 64-bit chip, I think it's been finalized around here that it will be *close* to impossible for it to function on a g4 board...pin difference...bus design difference are some of the most notable.
ya, a Celeron at 2.5 Ghz.... doesn't make much of a difference for the performance they need.
It's not like the iBook was at 700Mhz, right... right ?
Marc
It's not like the iBook was at 700Mhz, right... right ?
Marc
Re: So what are they called ?
Unfortunately the 970 systems are going to be named "Power Mac Extreme".
Originally posted by kansast
So they are packed and ready to ship ?
Any word on what these machines will actually be called ? G5s ? 970s ? or what
Was fixing to order a new Dual G4 tower for use at work.. might have to try and hold off for a month or two or three
Unfortunately the 970 systems are going to be named "Power Mac Extreme".
If MacBidouille screwed this up, it'll be like Mac OS Rumors / G5 all over again.
If it ends up being true, then they have a REALLY good source. And they should go work for DGSE
If it ends up being true, then they have a REALLY good source. And they should go work for DGSE
Eh, not really. The celeron is designed for lower-end users who don't need such performance-boosting things as CPU cache. For someone whose primary use for a laptop computer is surfing the web, doing e-mail, and writing papers (which is a good percentage), a 1 GHz Celeron is pretty good for the price, and also doesn't eat up as much power as higher end CPUs.
The Celeron was designed from the start with this goal in mind, whereas the G3 was the bread and butter for a while, and now it has inherited the "lower performance, but cheaper processor" role when you compare it to the G4.
Then again, the G4 is really showing its aging.
I just hope when I get my Dual PPC 970 17" PowerBook in May 2004, I can play Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 at its highest resolution with max details at over 40 fps.
Did anyone see that 30 minute Half-Life 2 video from E3? My God---it's so realistic it's insane!
Re: Re: So what are they called ?
There have been some rumors that it might actually be called the "G5", since I believe the "Gx" name is a trademark of Apple and not Motorola, so they can call an AMD Opteron the G6 if they began selling them in Apple systems.
There have been some rumors that it might actually be called the "G5", since I believe the "Gx" name is a trademark of Apple and not Motorola, so they can call an AMD Opteron the G6 if they began selling them in Apple systems.
Re: Re: So what are they called ?
Some other ideas:
* PowerMac Pro
* PowerMac G5
* PowerMac 64
* PowerMac 970 <- not likely i think
* PowerMac Ultra <- not likely i think
I think 64 or g5 are most likely, but I don't know anything...
Where do you have this from? how can you be sure?
Some other ideas:
* PowerMac Pro
* PowerMac G5
* PowerMac 64
* PowerMac 970 <- not likely i think
* PowerMac Ultra <- not likely i think
I think 64 or g5 are most likely, but I don't know anything...
Re: Re: 970 Chips in Powerbooks?
But I don't see them coming out with a PowerBook version right away, it wouldn't make sense to me, but then I'm not running Apple.
And in the past the PowerMacs have always been the first with the new technology.
But to make this discussion last a little longer, there is the issue of the 15" PowerBooks....where are they?
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Originally posted by mcs37
The PowerPC 970 at that frequency is perfect for the PowerBooks until Apple comes up with better ways to cool the systems and provides more power (fuel cells, anyone?)
But I don't see them coming out with a PowerBook version right away, it wouldn't make sense to me, but then I'm not running Apple.
And in the past the PowerMacs have always been the first with the new technology.
But to make this discussion last a little longer, there is the issue of the 15" PowerBooks....where are they?
D
No it won't be. Because if Apple doesn't release a PM with a new chip (tries to go quad g4 instead for example) They won't sell any more powermacs. if they don't release a 970 based PM before autumn, I think they will go for Opteron/AMD64. A local store here in norway, hasn't taken in any new powermacs since february, yet they have sold nearly 100 portables, and 40 or so imacs since then.
Let us not forget the LoopRumors, er, rumor a couple of weeks ago claiming that 970's have been shipped to manufacturing. Based on that rumor, we can expect single 1.4 systems, and dual 1.6, 1.8 systems.
As far as naming goes, there was mention somewhere, forget which site, that claimed Apple will be naming their future systems after the chip number. Don't know if I'm keen on PowerMac 970, but who knows. Maybe they just need to drop the whole PowerMac name and come up with something fresh, new.
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Cool. Too bad I dont have money for a new one right now. How much do you think I can if I sold my Powermac DP G4 1Ghz SD.
and how much do you think this new PPC 970 is?
and how much do you think this new PPC 970 is?
Wow.
Okay... I have to say that I have always believed these rumors (with an appropriate grain of salt). They seem very specific and I find it hard to believe that a site would hurt it's credibility with such specific rumors if they were not true. Yes, I suppose it's possible and my life won't end if the 970's aren't out at WWDC... but I have a good feeling about this.
Here's to hope!
Okay... I have to say that I have always believed these rumors (with an appropriate grain of salt). They seem very specific and I find it hard to believe that a site would hurt it's credibility with such specific rumors if they were not true. Yes, I suppose it's possible and my life won't end if the 970's aren't out at WWDC... but I have a good feeling about this.
Here's to hope!
Re: 970 Chips in Powerbooks?
Apple is a company known for innovation and surprises, so who knows if their past track record has any bearing on the future.
The 15" AlBooks are something that makes it more interesting to talk about. What we do "know" is that the 15" AlBooks underwent a huge motherboard redesign back at the turn of the year. And it's been a long time since a 15" PowerBook has come out. I want to believe that they will be released the PPC 970 1.2 GHz onto PowerBooks simultaneously with the PowerMacs, to make this year the "year of the laptop." Anyone who knows that the PPC 970 is on a PowerMac but not yet on a PowerBook probably guesses that it's only a matter of time before the PowerBooks get the PPC 970 in some form or another. So you'd see laptop sales plummet since people are holding back (count me in).
But suppose Apple blitzkriegs its customers with PPC 970 offerings: PowerMacs (single and dual), 12" and 17" PowerBook updates, and the long-awaited 15" PowerBook. All PPC 970. So pick your size/needs and buy that laptop/powermac. I am really hoping for the PPC 970 in the 12" PowerBooks since I really refuse to buy a laptop with clock speed under 1 GHz, as GHz machines in the PC world are years old now, and I'm looking to upgrade my PC to a 3.0 GHz machine for under $500.
I highly doubt they will do all this, but I want to believe.
Apple is a company known for innovation and surprises, so who knows if their past track record has any bearing on the future.
The 15" AlBooks are something that makes it more interesting to talk about. What we do "know" is that the 15" AlBooks underwent a huge motherboard redesign back at the turn of the year. And it's been a long time since a 15" PowerBook has come out. I want to believe that they will be released the PPC 970 1.2 GHz onto PowerBooks simultaneously with the PowerMacs, to make this year the "year of the laptop." Anyone who knows that the PPC 970 is on a PowerMac but not yet on a PowerBook probably guesses that it's only a matter of time before the PowerBooks get the PPC 970 in some form or another. So you'd see laptop sales plummet since people are holding back (count me in).
But suppose Apple blitzkriegs its customers with PPC 970 offerings: PowerMacs (single and dual), 12" and 17" PowerBook updates, and the long-awaited 15" PowerBook. All PPC 970. So pick your size/needs and buy that laptop/powermac. I am really hoping for the PPC 970 in the 12" PowerBooks since I really refuse to buy a laptop with clock speed under 1 GHz, as GHz machines in the PC world are years old now, and I'm looking to upgrade my PC to a 3.0 GHz machine for under $500.
I highly doubt they will do all this, but I want to believe.
Re: Re: Re: Powerbooks
actually your info is outdated. The latest G4 7455 1ghz consumes 15.5 watts and the 7457 which is slated for this fall, does 7.5 watts at 1 ghz. It would make more sense, from a power management point of view, to do a dual 1 ghz G4 system rather than a single 1 ghz 970.
actually your info is outdated. The latest G4 7455 1ghz consumes 15.5 watts and the 7457 which is slated for this fall, does 7.5 watts at 1 ghz. It would make more sense, from a power management point of view, to do a dual 1 ghz G4 system rather than a single 1 ghz 970.
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Macdoodoo are well out on a limb on this and i hope they are right.
Can someone pull it all together though - will we see a new enclosure? new pro keyboard (B/T?) and mouse.
Looprumors has had the chip shipping quantities but dare I say it MacWhispers is strangely quiet on the Taiwanese plastics front. Could the G5, 970, XMac etc be an aluminium box?
Macdoodoo are well out on a limb on this and i hope they are right.
Can someone pull it all together though - will we see a new enclosure? new pro keyboard (B/T?) and mouse.
Looprumors has had the chip shipping quantities but dare I say it MacWhispers is strangely quiet on the Taiwanese plastics front. Could the G5, 970, XMac etc be an aluminium box?
Re: Re: Re: So what are they called ?
I don't think so. I think Apple needs to get themselves some new hype around these machines. If they have new machines that match the PC world, they'll want everyone to know they're new and different. Extreme is rubbish, as is 64 (remember the N64? That worked well for it, huh?). Gx has bad connotations for many people. I think we can expect completely new names. Quite possibly changing even the PowerMac part. People see PowerMacs as slow. Apple doesn't want to stay stuck in the desktop rut, and a name change to something Apple-sounding but new would be a good idea, marketing wise. And this is a serious jump... These machines will be nearly as far from the PowerMacs as the PowerMacs were from the 68k Macs... (Let's not get into an argument about how right that is... You get what I mean).
Maybe.
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I don't think so. I think Apple needs to get themselves some new hype around these machines. If they have new machines that match the PC world, they'll want everyone to know they're new and different. Extreme is rubbish, as is 64 (remember the N64? That worked well for it, huh?). Gx has bad connotations for many people. I think we can expect completely new names. Quite possibly changing even the PowerMac part. People see PowerMacs as slow. Apple doesn't want to stay stuck in the desktop rut, and a name change to something Apple-sounding but new would be a good idea, marketing wise. And this is a serious jump... These machines will be nearly as far from the PowerMacs as the PowerMacs were from the 68k Macs... (Let's not get into an argument about how right that is... You get what I mean).
Maybe.
- Jimmni
Agreed. However, I think the production of these machines were based on many different factors that Apple didn't have absolute control over. For all Apple knew, 3 or 4 months ago, the new mobo's could have showed up late. Or the processors, enclosures, or even the Superdrives.
Also, I don't think it's overly cautious to say that if they are releasing them for immediate availability, that they need to start shipping them to resellers a month in advance. There's a lot of machines to ship and that means a lot of shipments from the manufacturer. I don't think they are sitting on inventory at all. In fact, they may have 1.4's 50% complete, 1.6's and 1.8's only 20% complete, for example.
I just noticed something...
The benchmarks from MacBoo don't say anything about "PowerMac" or any apple reference (at least that i saw), only "PPC 970" This allows them A LOT of wiggle room, everyone knows that IBM is also making 970 Machines for the low-end server market, what if they were using IBM machines to run these benchmarks, in order to do so though, you would have to run Mac on Linux or be running a PowerPC version of windows (not very likely).
Could you imagine if MacBoo's inside (wo)man was actually an IBM person and he was doing all these benchmarks running mac on linux?!?!?
Just adding more (unlikely) fuel to the flames.
The benchmarks from MacBoo don't say anything about "PowerMac" or any apple reference (at least that i saw), only "PPC 970" This allows them A LOT of wiggle room, everyone knows that IBM is also making 970 Machines for the low-end server market, what if they were using IBM machines to run these benchmarks, in order to do so though, you would have to run Mac on Linux or be running a PowerPC version of windows (not very likely).
Could you imagine if MacBoo's inside (wo)man was actually an IBM person and he was doing all these benchmarks running mac on linux?!?!?
Just adding more (unlikely) fuel to the flames.