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Originally posted by noverflow

MacBidouille is WRONG.
possibly not about this, but about how powerfull they are.

how do i know?
look at IBM's specs for the chip.
do the math, and see that the 970 is not faster then the g4 for altivec things

for non altivec it is 2.5x faster, but still slower than altivec enhanced code...
knowing this, it is not possible that a single 1.4 970 would be faster at altivec enhanced code than a dual 1.4 g4. IT IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE given the known info from IBM.


The processor is not the only component on the motherboard. With a much faster memory bus and good cache it is easy to see why a 970 would be faster than a G4 even with the same Altivec unit running at the same internal clock.

So yes it IS VERY POSSIBLE and in fact VERY LIKELY given the info known from IBM.

In retrospect, CAPS do not make either of our arguments seem more persuasive (but what I said is still true)
:p
 
Originally posted by nagromme

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970 in a PowerBook? That's what I'm waiting for, so I hope it's soon after the towers! But it wouldn't surprise me if PowerBooks stayed at G4 (but higher MHz) for a while: PowerBook G3s lasted quite a while after G4 PowerMacs were out. Dual CPUs sound practical too, at least in the 17": one of them (and its heavy-duty fan) would only run on wall power.
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Yep, me too. Although, if they somehow manage to produce a speed-bumped G4 PowerBook, then I'd buy that, as I won't want to wait for another six months before getting one (I've got DVDs to burn! :D)

Originally posted by ColoJohnBoy
Kids, take a look at the original post. It says NOTHING about the PowerPC 970 machines being PowerMacs. As a matter of fact, I'm betting on experience and sheer simple intuition that the finished products awaiting shipment are 15.4" Aluminum PowerBooks, yes, complete with PPC 970 processors. Just a few days ago there was a rumor that the 15.4" PBs were finished and awaiting shipment. I think these two rumors complement one another.

Oh, I hope you're right. I really would like to have a 970 PowerBook. Really...
(My money is burning a hole in my pocket...;) )

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Re: Re: This report is wrong.

Originally posted by ColoJohnBoy
Kids, take a look at the original post. It says NOTHING about the PowerPC 970 machines being PowerMacs. As a matter of fact, I'm betting on experience and sheer simple intuition that the finished products awaiting shipment are 15.4" Aluminum PowerBooks, yes, complete with PPC 970 processors. Just a few days ago there was a rumor that the 15.4" PBs were finished and awaiting shipment. I think these two rumors complement one another.

As far as the PPC 970 needing Panther 10.3 in order to run properly, I bet we'll see the PowerBooks shipping with a patched version of 10.2.6 or even an exclusive 10.2.7. It wouldn't be available online as only these PowerBooks would utilize them. They may even ship with a beta version on Panther 10.3. Only time will tell.

Visit Blue Pudding!
http://bluepudding.1hwy.com

You could be on to something or they could be totally new machines. A name:

Apple iCon
 
Originally posted by Winston Smith

Arn's post from page 6 I think leaves us to make up our own minds.

Yep... everyone should take all rumors with a grain of salt.

Personally, I feel that 970 PowerMacs are coming... I think WWDC is very optimistic to have shipping machines, however. I do think we'll probably hear about the 970 chip at WWDC... as for when they will ship - I don't know... but knowing how manufacturing/product introductions have gone historically... I can't say I often remember anything ever shipping "early". :)


arn
 
new names

I have said before that maybe they'd just move to the Macintosh III, but people pointed out that, "nothing with a Roman numeral III will ever come out of Apple again." They may be right, but how about a Macintosh IV, considering that the "Power" series could be construed as the "III" series.

Naw - I still think they change to a completely different apple - my favorite is "Fuji" or "Golden Delicious"!
;)

If they want to be completely acurate, they should call it the NeXT Tower :D
 
Re: Just Wondering...

Originally posted by zigi
Who the hell clicks the Negative selection on the front page for a story like this? :confused:

I'd click it because I think this story is total bull. I guess we'll know for sure in a month.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So what are they called ?

Originally posted by Foxer
Remember that "Pentium" simply resulted from the fact that after 286, 386, 486, etc. Intel wanted to make the 586 flashier, and "pent-" being the prefix for 5, one thing led to another. Now, however, even thought htey are on the contradictory Pentium IV (or whatever), they're locked into using the brand name Pentium becuase of their own success.

Apple doesn't have the success stigma. Nontheless, I don't think that your average computer buyer knows what a G4 is, or do they have any bad connotations associated with it. These are the target market Apple is looking for. Priro to switching a couple years back, I had no idea what a G3 or G4. My wife uses (and loves) our Macs every day, but if you said "G4" to her, she'd think you were playing Bingo.

In short, Mac COULD call the thing PowerMac G5, and no one (that matters) would be turned off by that. They could also call it "Butt Munch 970 X-treme to the MaXXX," just so long as they do a good job marketing it. That's the catch - they've got to make the average consumer think that there is some NEW reason to look at the Apple line-up.
"Pentium" was for trademark / copyright protection. It was Intel's way of trying to stave off the cloner market. Obviously it didn't work for very long...
 
Originally posted by nagromme
I do expect Apple will show Panther and 970s at WWDC--maybe in secret with NDA.

I do NOT think Panther could possibly ship so soon.

As for the 970 Macs themselves shipping--it would be great, but I find it JUST barely within the realm of possibility. Unlikely, but possible.

They could ship without Panther, as long as performance in Jaguar was still impressive. I'd expect a free coupon for Panther in the box--it would enable the full 64-bit computing that was unavailable at first. (But 64-bit is not primarily a speed issue, so our current software may well run fantastically on a re-compiled 32-bit Jaguar for 970.)

Name suggestions:

Power Macintosh X5

or
Macintosh X5

It's not a BMW, it's a Macintosh
 
Originally posted by arn
Yep... everyone should take all rumors with a grain of salt.

Personally, I feel that 970 PowerMacs are coming... I think WWDC is very optimistic to have shipping machines, however. I do think we'll probably hear about the 970 chip at WWDC... as for when they will ship - I don't know... but knowing how manufacturing/product introductions have gone historically... I can't say I often remember anything ever shipping "early". :)


arn

I can't say I ever remember anything shipping early:(
This is the year of the Powerbook and Apple was alledgedly planning a major ad for the 2004 Superbowl.
Mybe the 970 will ship early but 6 months:eek:
Perhaps WWDC will provide early developer beta machines under strict NDA's with Panther.
All this is just fun until Arn posts a report on Page 1 with the Apple logo alongside.
 
Originally posted by noverflow
Time to inject some logic into this thread!

Opteron SUCKS
Yes, that is right. it is not faster than even the xeons right now... how do i know? look at www.tomshardware.com for quite some time now that have had info on real running ones.

SO WHY WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO PUT ONE IN A MAC??????


MacBidouille is WRONG.
possibly not about this, but about how powerfull they are.

how do i know?
look at IBM's specs for the chip.
do the math, and see that the 970 is not faster then the g4 for altivec things

for non altivec it is 2.5x faster, but still slower than altivec enhanced code...
knowing this, it is not possible that a single 1.4 970 would be faster at altivec enhanced code than a dual 1.4 g4. IT IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE given the known info from IBM.

What we are doing with the wide spread over kill will kill apple WHEN it is not as fast as we say.

We are loving apple to the point that we are the ones who will cause its death.

Actually, you may want to do all your homework before you spout off. Check out http://www.arstechnica.com and read the articles on the performance of the 970 and you will see that they are indeed VERY powerful chips
 
Originally posted by patmcfar8
C'mon people! If IBM has the 970s ready ahead of schedule, Apple is going to use them as soon as freakin' possible. Plain and simple!
Exactly.

BTW, As crazy, loud and continuos as these 970 rumors have been, I wonder what Apple's take on them is...
As do I. Apple has been known to preemptively deny rumors of new hardware at upcoming events, and they haven't here. That's obviously very circumstantial evidence, but then so is everything else...
 
Re: new names

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
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Naw - I still think they change to a completely different apple - my favorite is "Fuji" or "Golden Delicious"!
;)
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Oh, hey, how about bringing colors back? They could have two different colors available for the Power Macs, red and yellow. Then, they could call these the Red Delicious and the Golden Delicious. What do you think? :D :p


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Re: Re: new names

Originally posted by Snowy_River
Oh, hey, how about bringing colors back? They could have two different colors available for the Power Macs, red and yellow. Then, they could call these the Red Delicious and the Golden Delicious. What do you think? :D :p


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Don't think so, with the pro line all clad in metal I'm thinking that will continue. But it is odd that no one has been providing images or at least ideas on what the new designs will be.

There was a ton of activity with the last revision when we got the mirrors....

D
 
Originally posted by Winston Smith

All this is just fun until Arn posts a report on Page 1 with the Apple logo alongside.

I couldn't agree more, and it's really good to keep that perspective. We really don't know when these things are going to come.

For example, I'm waiting to buy a new 15" PowerBook. Yes, I'd really like it to be a 970 machine, but if, when it is released, it's a 1.25GHz G4, I won't complain. (Now, if it's still just a 1GHz G4, I might complain a little... ;) )

These discussions are good for entertainment, but too often people take them way too seriously. I think keeping a cool head and a bit of faith in Apple to do the best they can goes a long way...
 
Re: Re: Re: new names

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Don't think so, with the pro line all clad in metal I'm thinking that will continue. But it is odd that no one has been providing images or at least ideas on what the new designs will be.

There was a ton of activity with the last revision when we got the mirrors....

D

Maybe we've all given up on Spymacs photoshop/lifestyle site
 
Re: Re: Re: new names

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Don't think so, with the pro line all clad in metal I'm thinking that will continue. But it is odd that no one has been providing images or at least ideas on what the new designs will be.

There was a ton of activity with the last revision when we got the mirrors....

D

Really, it was a joke. I would certainly hope that Apple would never do something as silly as that...

I mean, the next thing you know they'll start offering the iMac in different colors named after different fruit. Honestly. ;)
 
Re: Re: new names

Originally posted by Snowy_River
Oh, hey, how about bringing colors back? They could have two different colors available for the Power Macs, red and yellow. Then, they could call these the Red Delicious and the Golden Delicious. What do you think? :D :p


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No!!!! Not colors!:eek:
 
it's not a rumor - it's a humor!

All what they (www.macbidouille.com) do is that they make fun off all Apple and 970 believers. It's french humor - making fun of Americans and everything that comes from the states.

Wake up - it's not a rumor - it's a humor!
 
Originally posted by rastalin94
My point is that you do not f**k with Steve, and Motorola basically bent Apple over and put it where the sun don’t shine. Because of this it would not surprise me if in one keynote Apple has dropped Motorola all at once. This seems like something Steve would do. Lay quiet, and than cut the cord with Motorola all at once.

Ineterstingly, at the previous earnings conference call, Fred Anderson (or was it Steve?) said they are aware of the speed issue and that there will be a time and place for an annoucement of their relationship with Motorola.

Note that he didn't say the 970 was coming, per se, but that he said it was about Motorola. Hmmm.

I think you're right, my friend!
 
Re: This report is wrong.

Originally posted by MacWhispers
I don't know what's up with my French rumor-brethren, but I just exchanged emails wiht my factory rep at the Taiwan plant where the 970 Power Macs really are being manufactured, and there are **not** any finished products at this time. All I can get is a verification that "at least one model is starting into production soon."

I don't know about MacBidioulle, but my guy actually works at the plant, and this info, while not as flamboyant as the French report, is actually accurate.

Again: There are no finished/packed Power Mac 970's in existence at this time. Period.

Could one source be accidentaly reporting on rumors of the 970 when it is actually a different machien alltogether? Maybe a 20th anniversary mac? I know it's a year early, but who knows?
 
Re: Re: This report is wrong.

Originally posted by Frobozz
Could one source be accidentaly reporting on rumors of the 970 when it is actually a different machien alltogether? Maybe a 20th anniversary mac? I know it's a year early, but who knows?

MAYBE a freaky quick Apple PDA! Huh? Huh? Huh?

:p
 
Re: Re: This report is wrong.

Originally posted by Frobozz
Could one source be accidentaly reporting on rumors of the 970 when it is actually a different machien alltogether? Maybe a 20th anniversary mac? I know it's a year early, but who knows?
I'm presuming you mean a 20th Aniversary of the Mac Mac - as opposed to the "20th Aniversary Mac" :p
 
If they do do colors again,

and if they keep the G4 in the lineup as the entry level (wouldn't happen, mobo issues, unless they had plenty of extra mobos lying around) they should color it a nice green and call it a Granny Smith.

All i can say about the 970 is, that with all the buzz on here, i can imagine the orders that will be flying once Apple announces one.

Ciao!:D
 
Re: Re: Intel 64-bit desktops - buy one today...

Originally posted by Frobozz
Well, you can buy a 64-bit Wintel machine, but they're not consumer grade. They run specialized apps in very small quantity. I think the 970 is much more prosumer oriented and will, obviously, run a vastly larger library of mainstream apps.

A vastly larger library of 32-bit mainstream apps, plus someday a few specialized apps in very small quantity!
 
Re: Re: Re: Intel 64-bit desktops - buy one today...

can you not run 32 bit windows apps in windows xp 64 bit edition? i'd just assumed you could.
 
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