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970 Machines Assembled/Sealed?

Re: Re: random acts of senseless thinking

Originally posted by mactastic
Sorry if I'm perpetuating a little tangential post myself, but I think so. A $999 single processor G4 tower with all the pro features like FW800, dual monitors, extra hard drive bays etc. would sell like crazy IMHO. Gives people one more option in the apple line.
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I agree, this woud be a good thing. Apple could use adding a new tier to their marketing strategy. There really needs to be more than just Pro and Consumer levels. At one point, there was talk of a Prosumer level that would split these two. Maybe now we might see something like that...? But, I won't hold my breath for it. (Besides, I'm a PB user. I can't stand not being portable. :D )


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Re: Re: Re: Re: 970 Chips in Powerbooks?

Originally posted by Snowy_River
Apple will do what it can. If they can release a PB 970, I'm fairly certain they will. They are, after all, fighting for market share.
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Exactly. Right now, I think Apple is gonna do everything they can to get these chips as fast as they can to the market, even if it means to sacrifice some of their current offerings (17" PB is a good example).

Apple gets great press about everything they do, EXCEPT for the speed of their machines.

I am fully expecting 970 pm and pb's come the end of june.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: So what are they called ?

Originally posted by Jimmni
I don't think so. I think Apple needs to get themselves some new hype around these machines....... Extreme is rubbish, as is 64 (remember the N64? That worked well for it, huh?). Gx has bad connotations for many people. I think we can expect completely new names. Quite possibly changing even the PowerMac part. People see PowerMacs as slow. Apple doesn't want to stay stuck in the desktop rut, and a name change to something Apple-sounding but new would be a good idea, marketing wise.....
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Sorry that I didn't have time to read beyond page 3, but I agree with this statement on page 2. :)

But lets not even call them Macintoshes. Lets just give them a new Apple name, like Royal Gala or Granny Smith. :cool: Anything with "X" or "Xtreme" is out --- sounds like the name of a new scent for a stupid deordorant company, like "Xtreme Avalanche".

Nothing that starts with "G" will be good. People associate bad things with G4, so G5 is not a great name.

Naming the processors with actual words, like AMD has the "Opteron" isn't good either. I never liked names like this because they didn't make any sense. What the hell is an opteron? This is why car companies are all going with the alpha-numerical names, like Nissan G35, Volvo S60, etc... This is probably the best way to go. How about S14, which relates to a 1.4GHz 970. This means that an S16 would correspond to a 1.6GHz IBM 970. The letter "S" naturally sounds good. :cool:
 
Originally posted by nagromme
...As for the 970 Macs themselves shipping--it would be great, but I find it JUST barely within the realm of possibility. Unlikely, but possible...
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What makes you think that they are so unlikely? We know that they are coming. Rumors have been around for some time that the 970 chips have been ahead of schedule as they didn't end up having as much production difficulty as they first anticipated. Apple is certainly in a position to want to hustle these things to market ASAP. So why are they unlikely?


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Re: 970 Chips in Powerbooks?

Originally posted by pkradd
i seriously doubt it. These chips run too hot for use in portables.
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What an utterly stupid, uneducated comment.

IF (yes, IF) Apple are to use the 970s in the Desktops then OF COURSE they'd use them in the Pro portables too.

Anything else would be plain ridiculous.
 
Originally posted by noverflow
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how do i know?
look at IBM's specs for the chip.
do the math, and see that the 970 is not faster then the g4 for altivec things
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Okay, two points. First, the G4 is memory starved because of its FSB. The 970 won't be. So, even if they process Altivec instructions at the exact same speed, the 970 will still outperform the G4. (Granted, it may not be by the 2.5x factor that it sees elsewhere, but it will still outperform it.)

Second, while Altivec is great, I find it remarkable that people spend so much time complaining that the G4 isn't really as fast as the marketing hype makes it out to be because those marketing tests are done with extremely optomized Altivec code, and real world operations don't use Altivec that much. Then, along comes the 970 and now there are complaints that it won't outperform the G4 by as much in Altivec operations. You can't have it both ways...


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This report is wrong.

I don't know what's up with my French rumor-brethren, but I just exchanged emails wiht my factory rep at the Taiwan plant where the 970 Power Macs really are being manufactured, and there are **not** any finished products at this time. All I can get is a verification that "at least one model is starting into production soon."

I don't know about MacBidioulle, but my guy actually works at the plant, and this info, while not as flamboyant as the French report, is actually accurate.

Again: There are no finished/packed Power Mac 970's in existence at this time. Period.
 
intel and amd 64?

Aren't Intel and AMD also making 64 bit processors? If so, does anybody know a timeframe when they will be put into use as compared to the 970 chips and this rumor?
 
Re: This report is wrong.

Originally posted by MacWhispers
I don't know what's up with my French rumor-brethren, but I just exchanged emails wiht my factory rep at the Taiwan plant where the 970 Power Macs really are being manufactured, and there are **not** any finished products at this time. All I can get is a verification that "at least one model is starting into production soon."

I don't know about MacBidioulle, but my guy actually works at the plant, and this info, while not as flamboyant as the French report, is actually accurate.

Again: There are no finished/packed Power Mac 970's in existence at this time. Period.
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Well that settles that then...:confused:
 
Re: intel and amd 64?

Originally posted by crossed-over
Aren't Intel and AMD also making 64 bit processors? If so, does anybody know a timeframe when they will be put into use as compared to the 970 chips and this rumor?
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AMD Hammer will be out late fall...
 
Re: Re: This report is wrong.

Originally posted by gotohamish
Well that settles that then...:confused:
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Well, that means they'll still be produced really soon... and probably out by Sept... I really don't think a 970 computer will be shipped out without Panther on it anyways.
 
Re: 970 in the new machines

Originally posted by Balooba
I have two late-breaking news for ya:

1. The shipment of the 40000 970 chips are designated for the iPod production line. This will enable the users to browse through 3000+ songs in less than a second or play them at Fast Forward pace up to 2000 beats per minute!

2. The new 970 PowerMacs will have different names dependent on the market. The previous names were a disaster as for example "G4" means "prostitute" in Spanish with sales dropping significantly in for example Cuba. The new names (for four large European markets, I am not sure which) will be

ÜberMac
MacAroni
MacBeth
Freedom Mac

Funnily enough, for Washington DC the new name will be MacThePresidentIsAnEmptyWarHead
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Ha ha...

:rolleyes:


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So what are they called ?

Originally posted by Abstract
Nothing that starts with "G" will be good. People associate bad things with G4, so G5 is not a great name.

Naming the processors with actual words, like AMD has the "Opteron" isn't good either. I never liked names like this because they didn't make any sense. What the hell is an opteron? This is why car companies are all going with the alpha-numerical names, like Nissan G35, Volvo S60, etc... This is probably the best way to go. How about S14, which relates to a 1.4GHz 970. This means that an S16 would correspond to a 1.6GHz IBM 970. The letter "S" naturally sounds good. :cool:
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Remember that "Pentium" simply resulted from the fact that after 286, 386, 486, etc. Intel wanted to make the 586 flashier, and "pent-" being the prefix for 5, one thing led to another. Now, however, even thought htey are on the contradictory Pentium IV (or whatever), they're locked into using the brand name Pentium becuase of their own success.

Apple doesn't have the success stigma. Nontheless, I don't think that your average computer buyer knows what a G4 is, or do they have any bad connotations associated with it. These are the target market Apple is looking for. Priro to switching a couple years back, I had no idea what a G3 or G4. My wife uses (and loves) our Macs every day, but if you said "G4" to her, she'd think you were playing Bingo.

In short, Mac COULD call the thing PowerMac G5, and no one (that matters) would be turned off by that. They could also call it "Butt Munch 970 X-treme to the MaXXX," just so long as they do a good job marketing it. That's the catch - they've got to make the average consumer think that there is some NEW reason to look at the Apple line-up.
 
If the rumor is true, I'll be surprised. I can't imagine why any company would hold off sales of a product for a speech given at an event when they have stagnant sales on a current product line. I know that SJ likes the stage, but I would imagine he would call a press conference. No? What's more important to shareholders, his image, or sales?

If they were ready they could announce them and they would get press coverage...

Then at WWDC they could reiterate the product launch and bash wintel(maybe not). Then Apple could go over features of Panther. This would keep them in the press and keep the ball moving.

If they came out with everything at WWDC, it would seem that they blew their wad in once place. That would seem opposite of what they were trying to achieve earlier this year, which was a constant flow of announcements.

Panther is big enough for WWDC and a new Power Mac with a 970 would be big enough for it's own announcement. I could see Apple announcing Panther and then weeks after announcing the Power Mac. That would make sense. But sitting on potential sales for an announcement seems crazy for a business.
 
Re: CONTRADICTION?

Originally posted by nikfel
If Steve told us that this year is the year of the laptop then why would they introduce new powermacs with 970 processors
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As I said before, people are taking this "year of the laptop" thing too seriously. Here's a possible timeline:

2002: IBM tells Apple they'll be shipping 970s in late summer of 2003. Apple realizes this means for most of next year they won't have competitive desktops.
Jan 2003: Apple rolls out Powerbook upgrades and declares 2003 the "year of the laptop", because that sounds a lot better than "our desktops are going to suck for most of this year". This isn't a huge shift in strategy, they're just making the best of a bad hand.
Feb/Mar 2003: IBM tells Apple that 970 development is going much better than predicted. and they'll be available in May or June. Apple swiftly rearranges their schedule to bring 970 towers to market as soon as possible

Apple doesn't *want* this to be the year of the laptop, they want every year to be the year of everything. There is no possible way they will deliberately hold off on 970 Macs because of something Steve said 5 months ago.
 
Originally posted by rastalin94
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What does this mean for the consumer, I could see 970’s in high end stuff as fast as possible and some new form of the G3 for everything else. And I think part of this will have nothing to do with Steve wanting to get the best technology into peoples hands as much as he just wants to get away from Motorola as fast as he came for what they did to Apple.
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You know, you just gave me a thought. With all of the question about naming going on, and people wondering about the IBM G3 based iBooks, and the Moto G4 based iMac and eMac, several things just came together. If Apple were to rename their line based on processor number instead of G#, and were to drop Moto altogether as of the next revision of each of the products, then we might end up with something like:

Power Mac 970
PowerBook 970
iMac 750GX
eMac 750GX
iBook 750GX

The IBM processor numbers thus clearly distinguishing the lines and successfully moving away from the 'G' naming scheme. Hmm..... Just a thought.


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Re: CONTRADICTION?

Originally posted by nikfel
I only have one problem ok maybe more than one but anyway hear me out. If Steve told us that this year is the year of the laptop then why would they introduce new powermacs with 970 processors, this would remove all the hype from the portables and make it the year of the Powermacs not the laptops. If new Powermacs are released in a months time with 970 processors....then they would have to also update the powerbooks with likewise processors or else ot would not be the year of the laptop, right. Any way what I am trying to say i cannot decide what year it is...

1. year of the laptop
2. year of new powermacs (970)
3. year of new powermacs and laptops (both 970)
4. year of nothing
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As others have said, I think that you're trying to hard to read into a statement that was really said as a marketing pitch. Apple didn't know how soon they'd be able to get the 970s to market, so in the interim they wanted to push their laptops.

Now, that said, I'm still hopeful that we will, in fact, see new 970 PowerBooks right along side the new 970 Power Macs at WWDC.


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Re: This report is wrong.

Originally posted by MacWhispers
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Again: There are no finished/packed Power Mac 970's in existence at this time. Period.
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At least according to your source. And how sure are you that your source is being completely upfront and honest with you?


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Originally posted by commandZ
If it seems too good to be true, …

Let’s see, not only has IBM completed 970 production, but Apple has secretly assembled the computers, boxed and sealed! And only MacBibouille, from across the ocean, knows about it...
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Has it occurred to anyone else that MacB might not be the only ones who know about it, but they're the only ones with the freedom to publish? I mean, hey, maybe that's why this is a Page 1 rumor instead of a Page 2 rumor.

Just a thought...


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Originally posted by pimentoLoaf
23 June: two days after Harry Potter...
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Exactly my thoughts! Two great things at once... I'm really looking forward to this summer.

Going from my Cube (450) with a way-oversized 23" Cinema Display (remember, it's only a GeForce 2-card) to a PPC 970, hopefully with a Radeon 9800 card (whishfull thinking) would be a change. My 30 GB iPod just arrived, I'm picking it up tomorrow (took 25 days to deliver it).

I'm probably going to New York this summer, anyone got any pointers on what places to check out [way OT, I know]?

and what happens at the end of the countdown?

(making a small, but comfortable place to watch the explosion.)
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Duck an cover, people!
 
Originally posted by Foxer
watch that snowy river countdown fly to Zero!
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Well, what can I say, this thread has given me a lot to post about. I don't mind taking advantage of that fact...

Originally posted by freundt
and what happens at the end of the countdown?

(making a small, but comfortable place to watch the explosion.)
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Well, no explosions. Just a brand new Avatar for me! :D


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Ok SnowyRiver - you're close to 6502 and a 'tar - but that doesn't mean you have to respond to every post in this thread ;)

You could post one or two and discuss more than one post per thread.

D
 
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