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A Closer Look at Apple's CPU Improvements for iPhone 7 and Apple Watch

UhFive said:
Can't wait to see what this bad boy can do.

Edit: I'd be interested to see apple really open one of these puppies up and unleash it's full potential on the world. Sure battery life and heat would be an issue, but one of these in a low cost Mac Mini would be awesome. Better yet, it is crazy to think that we are truly approaching desktop class CPU's in a device that fits in my palm and pocket.
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I just find it so sad that we have all this power and almost no one is doing anything with it.

They keep saying, iPhone has the power of an Xbox360, or even better now.
So where are all the XBox 360 quality games for the iPhones?

Plug in a big screen, and play Xbox 360 or better titles from your phone.
But what do the App Devs give us?
Crossy Road, or some sad mario side scroller, or some other pointless game that are hardly above the old flash based web page games.

Why are people not making PROPER decent full games for these devices?
It's such a waste. :(
 
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bbplayer5 said:
The Galaxy S7 international version has a similar processor architecture.
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No dis respect to Galaxy ... but if I have to put iPhone in one word is SIMPLYCITy....
My 3 year can use the passcode and go to a folder and open you tube kids to watch his favorite poem lol Amazing ....

And when he wants to watch on my 70" tv he knows how to put it on airplay and voila my pioneer elite gets turned on and my Samsung TV gets turned on and boy he watch his itsy bitsy spider on big screen.


This is simplicity at its best .....
 
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The two slow cores may be an indication that after lots of profiling it is, in some cases, better to do jobs a little slower than as fast as possible.

I'd love to see what that metric data really showed. It's an interesting trade off between power consumption, performance and cost, one that doesn't really exist on any other platform.
 
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They problably had to switch to the big.little design(well, something similar to it, apparently it's not the same) on a non-S cycle because the 10nm process wasn't ready in time.
 
bbplayer5 said:
The Galaxy S7 international version has a similar processor architecture.
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Note 7 needs airing out period (no pun intended) after the battery issue fades, because I was hearing a wide range of chatter about bugs, apps dropping, freezing, random error messages. Once we get beyond the battery issue, users will begin to reveal what other issues in performance may exist due to haste. I suppose it's true that Apple walks while others must run. However I wish the battery debacle never happened, so competition would remain heated.
[doublepost=1473712773][/doublepost]Really really wanna see inside W1
 
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What about the iPhone 7's DDR interface ? ... does anyone have performance benchmarks they can share ? ... specifically, did the performance improve ?, and if so, by how much relative to the 6s ?
 
JackANSI said:
... and Android is poo-poo.
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Really? You read the original article, and one of your main takeaways was that the article was saying Android is "poo-poo"? I never saw any mention of Android in the article. Do you spend a lot of your time preoccupied with "poo-poo"? Is that how you manage to see it in this article even though it isn't mentioned?
 
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usarioclave said:
The two slow cores may be an indication that after lots of profiling it is, in some cases, better to do jobs a little slower than as fast as possible.

I'd love to see what that metric data really showed. It's an interesting trade off between power consumption, performance and cost, one that doesn't really exist on any other platform.
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Usually the energy consumption grows with the square of speed. So if processor A is 5 times faster than processor B, and B takes a second to do the job, then A should use 25 times more power for one fifth of the time - 5 times more energy. If corse if A takes a second, that might be annoying to the user, but for all the situations where A takes a tenth or a quarter of a second, it's fine.

And the problem has always existed on laptops for twofold reasons: First, more energy consumption means shorter battery life. Second, more energy consumption means more heat which means noise from the fans, and more wear and tear for everything.
 
Piggie said:
I just find it so sad that we have all this power and almost no one is doing anything with it.

They keep saying, iPhone has the power of an Xbox360, or even better now.
So where are all the XBox 360 quality games for the iPhones?

Plug in a big screen, and play Xbox 360 or better titles from your phone.
But what do the App Devs give us?
Crossy Road, or some sad mario side scroller, or some other pointless game that are hardly above the old flash based web page games.

Why are people not making PROPER decent full games for these devices?
It's such a waste. :(
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While I am not a gamer, I wonder why Apple never really went into that field.

With all that power and double lenses, maybe we can get an iPhone which projects (Been on my wish list for a while.
 
Didn't Apple introduce the iPad before the iPhone 4?
Or did you mean the iPad had a sped-up iPhone 3GS processor? As far as a can remember the CPU and GPU on 3GS and 4 were largely similar but the 4 introduced the 'system on a chip' process.
 
Piggie said:
I just find it so sad that we have all this power and almost no one is doing anything with it.

They keep saying, iPhone has the power of an Xbox360, or even better now.
So where are all the XBox 360 quality games for the iPhones?

Plug in a big screen, and play Xbox 360 or better titles from your phone.
But what do the App Devs give us?
Crossy Road, or some sad mario side scroller, or some other pointless game that are hardly above the old flash based web page games.

Why are people not making PROPER decent full games for these devices?
It's such a waste. :(
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they can and have made those games. It's just killer on the battery and hence not popular (along other things)
 
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Thunderhawks said:
While I am not a gamer, I wonder why Apple never really went into that field.

With all that power and double lenses, maybe we can get an iPhone which projects (Been on my wish list for a while.
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Apple made a game console, but it was cancelled due to low sales :)
 
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gnasher729 said:
Usually the energy consumption grows with the square of speed. So if processor A is 5 times faster than processor B, and B takes a second to do the job, then A should use 25 times more power for one fifth of the time - 5 times more energy. If corse if A takes a second, that might be annoying to the user, but for all the situations where A takes a tenth or a quarter of a second, it's fine.

And the problem has always existed on laptops for twofold reasons: First, more energy consumption means shorter battery life. Second, more energy consumption means more heat which means noise from the fans, and more wear and tear for everything.
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Not really. Modern processors are much more powerful while consuming less power than previous versions. The smaller the fabrication nodes allow for less power consumption and heat generation.
 
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Piggie said:
I just find it so sad that we have all this power and almost no one is doing anything with it.

They keep saying, iPhone has the power of an Xbox360, or even better now.
So where are all the XBox 360 quality games for the iPhones?

Plug in a big screen, and play Xbox 360 or better titles from your phone.
But what do the App Devs give us?
Crossy Road, or some sad mario side scroller, or some other pointless game that are hardly above the old flash based web page games.

Why are people not making PROPER decent full games for these devices?
It's such a waste. :(
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Making console-quality games is not cheap. Now that people think that anything more than a couple bucks for a game is "expensive," it becomes an increasingly risky proposition to go that route.
 
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It feels like the big under-the-hood changes for the iPhone 7 could be to prepare for the "revolutionary" iPhone 8 next year. Get rid of the headphone jack now so that the complaining is out of the way. Introduce a dual-sensor camera in the Plus now so that you can add loads of functionality to it next year (maybe move it to the non-Plus next year?). Put 4-core processing in place so that developers can adapt now. Next year could be interesting, not that this year is so bad. I'm upgrading to a 7 now - looking forward to this Friday!
 
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The old adage "What Intel giveth, Microsoft taketh away" has for the most part been true with Apple OSes too. Every increase in CPU power is eventually gobbled up by a newer and more demanding OS. While iOS 10 doesn't look like its gunna turn our phones into slugs, future OSes inevitably will.

Enjoy the A10 on iOS 10 while it lasts, because a few years down the line with a future OS, it's gunna be just as unusable and pokey slow as an iPhone 4 is using iOS 9 today.
 
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