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Will you Buy a Foldable iPhone?

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Foldables are niche, making up around 2% of all global smartphone sales.
Remember when apple said that their aim for the iPhone was to hold 1% of the phone market?
Foldables hold 2% of the market. But probably a way way higher percentage of the phones that cost more than €1500. And that is a nice place to be. It used to be on these forums we’d say that it didn’t matter that Mac’s only held a couple of percents of the marketshare of personal computers. They held half the marketshare of computers above a €1000 and that’s where the big profits were.
Now we’re brushing off the ascending form faster coming in from that side of the market. This isn’t cheap netbooks, this is -for most people- aspirational devices. Even if apple sells only a couple, it’s better for them to be there than not.
 
That may be true for a Z-Fold-sized device, but it's not the case for a Z-Flip form factor. The Z-Flip has a 6.9" screen, yet is smaller in every dimension than a typical mens' bifold wallet, and is thus more pocketable than any standard smartphone.

And women with small hands have commented that, unlike the case with any current standard smartphone, they can talk on the Z-Flip while holding it comfortably (in its folded state) with one hand.

Essentially, you've fallen victim to the very fallacy you warned against. You're conflating what does or doesn't work for you with what does or doesn't work for others:


Myself, I don't want a small foldable--I want another Mini. But I recognize that what I want isn't necessarily what others want.
I'm not conflating anything. My point that I have repeated all along is that a foldable smartphone makes too many compromises to compete with non-foldable smartphones and tablets, and will be relegated as niche. Compromises like a plastic screen, its squared off aspect ratio, design when two phones are sandwiched together, etc. There have been declining demand in certain markets for foldable/flip phones as well as an objective measure. Demand for foldable flip phones is under pressure... shipments are falling in some key markets (e.g. India), as cost, fragility, and niche appeal limit broader adoption despite some continued interest.
 
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When don't they? Has anyone said, 'this screen is too big, wish it was smaller' IF portability or space is not a concern? (yes, I know, when portability is a concern some like smaller screens, if only a smaller screen could unfold to a larger screen). I expect you to get quite pedantic here.

But I find the iPhone Pro Max screen too small for prolonged web browsing. Would love a fold then.



2% of a really big number is still a big number. Not a flop.



Which is it? A flop or a niche? because those aren't even close to the same thing. You seem to be trying to state they are equivalent for your 'objective facts', but calling a 'cat' a 'dog' doesnt make the cat into a dog.

It will be a niche, yes. A flop, no. I define flop as to Apple not seeing a profit materialize and stops making them.

Btw, the Mac Studio is definitely a niche. It sells well enough that Apple is on the 3rd iteration. Not a flop.

You play loosely with language, you also use 'compromise' to mean 'flawed.' Again, nope. I would think a captain of digital industry such as yourself would know every single product made, digital or material, is a compromise. telll me one that is not. Heck even the Mona Lisa was a compromise from a larger canvas to what is essentially a doodle of Leonardo's. Folks actually in industry come up with user specs that inherently contain compromises. Just saying.



Shrugs, is it really a full-on competition, slab vs foldable, or two different markets in similar spaces? Semantics maybe, in the end doesn't matter. It is clear that Apple likes to sell expensive products to people with deep pockets, to date these people have often been buying iPhone Pros whether they need them or not. But they are getting bored, they want 'innovation' so Apple is courting them by giving them 'choice', not 'competition.' The iPhone Air is expensive and aimed to give iPhone Pro owners a choice from just next years Pro. Likewise the Fold will be expensive and will give the deep pocket crowd another choice to spend on. Not a flop.



Not sure exactly what you are saying, but my go to device is an iPad mini. I own an MBA, a MBP, a Mac Studio with two ASD's, two iPad pros, the 13 and 11, the aforementioned iPad mini, and yes, an iPhone Pro Max, and the majority of my screen time is on my mini. I like the form factor for casual reading in a variety of places, easy to hold, big enough screen to contain more than a few sentences, you get the idea (I hope), but I cant always carry it on me. For me, my iPhone Pro Max is the compromise I use it as a phone (shocking), sometimes a camera, and its portable so it can fit in my pocket and don't need a backpack And in a pinch I can use it to read email and even occasionally MR. But I much prefer the browsing experience on my iPad mini. following along? I carry a Pro Max, so I have accepted the bulk, but I would love a bigger screen. Wow, if only it folded up to fit in my pocket, but I could open it no matter where I was in the fricking world and use it like I use my mini. What a concept!



So? For productivity my goto is my Mac Studio if I am at home, the MBP if I am in the office, and the MBA if I am on the road. For web browsing my goto is the aforementioned iPad mini. I use the iPad Pros primarily for sitting on the deck enjoying the view while selecting photos to edit or throw out (later on the Mac).



I hear you. I have a Stanley steamer, and a Lamborghini. Oh and a horse and buggy. There are essentially the same thing, though the fuel and waste products vary. 4 wheels. locomotion.

Not clear what point you are even trying to make. but yeah. there are differences in what those devices could do that outweigh the superficial similarities.



Yep a new concept that people have been talking about (and wishing for) for over a decade, decades if you count Isaac Asimov, and which hit the market 6 years ago. There is a lot of pent up demand for a decent fold, and typically Apple releases decent.


Oh didnt quote this but too good to pass up commenting on...

"People use smartphones for its intended purpose: it’s mobile. A key driver of why people use smartphones is its portability and ability to use it with one hand."

One would think a titan of industry could afford a pro max. An oft repeated criticism of the Pro Max is it is too big to use one handed. I know I have never used mine one handed. Okay, maybe 0.05% of the time. In the car I use Siri. Most places I hold with one hand and operate with the other. And I am not alone.

You make a lot of statements you consider as objective but which are opinion and often wrong. I would love a smaller phone that I could use one handed comfortably but unfolded to give me an iPad mini experience.

To conclude. I reject your definition of 'flop' to be a 'niche.' Apple will make them. They will sell. There already are a product category, in time they will be for Apple too. They don't have to take over mainstream to be a success.
Foldables aren’t failing to exist, but after seven generations they’re still under 2% of the market because most people see the cost, bulk, durability, competition in relation to other dedicated devices etc. issues as outweighing the benefits. That’s why I call them niche rather than mainstream — they’ll sell to enthusiasts, but the average buyer keeps choosing a regular smartphone. Apple might make money on them, but that doesn’t change the reality of limited adoption.
 
You could apply all the same arguments to the original iPad and claim it would fail. It was outclassed by existing devices, it was heavier and thicker and unwieldier than a phone or iPod touch, without decent software there was no productivity gain…guess what? The iPad didn’t fail. Your production about the Vision Pro is also laughably early to evaluate. The iPhone wasn’t born a huge success. The Mac was a dud on arrival. The watch didn’t get good until series three. When we’re five generations in or apple has cancelled the range we can evaluate if nobody wanted a Vision Pro.

But the real reason your argument fails though, is saying that “it solves nothing: nobody is asking for this”. It very much solves things. People want bigger displays but not necessarily bigger devices that can’t fit in their pockets. Literally millions of people have been asking for years for apple to jump on the folding wagon. people are asking about it. But even if they didn’t, I know of a famous guy around these parts who said that if you asked people what they wanted, they’d ask for a faster horse. He got rich. Not by making horses faster. And guess who quoted him. Right…
The iPad as a device wasn't flawed in the way that a foldable smartphone is. Steve Jobs said it best at his iPad Keynote unveil that it needed a reason to exist, and for that, it had to be better at a set of things than a smartphone or a desktop/laptop. A foldable smartphone has several compromises that make it worse at many of the things non-foldable smartphones or tablets are good at.
 
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I’ll 100% buy it unless it only has a single camera or is ridiculously priced. If it’s priced similar to the Galaxy Fold, I’m in. Best of both worlds—an iPad mini + iPhone that is pocketable is exactly what I want.
 
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