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People were buying Netbooks too. And convertible laptops. And they failed. There is a well established vector in technology of people who buy products like this: Early Adopters.
Arguably netbooks didn’t fail so much as they just turned into the modern ChromeBook.
Chromebooks suck, especially compared to iPads, but you are absolutely kidding yourself if you think they aren’t popular, especially in education markets.
Same goes for convertible laptops, still exist.
 
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A foldable iPhone will flop. Just like the Apple Vision Pro (AVP), it will be a niche product with limited appeal — not the next big thing. Yes, I know there will be a small brigade of you ready to jump in and tell me they want one, and therefore everyone must want one too. But personal desire doesn’t equal market demand.

When Apple announced the AVP, I made the case here on the forums that it would fail to gain general consumer interest. Not because it’s not impressive tech — it is. But because it lacks broad utility and solves no pressing problem for most people. The same logic applies to a foldable iPhone. Here’s why.

The main reasons I listed why the Apple Vision Pro would be a niche product right after it was announced:
  • It’s an awkward form factor — wearing ski goggles on your face is not how most people want to interact with the world.
  • It simulates reality poorly. The highest-fidelity version of reality is… reality.
  • It doesn’t solve a widespread problem, and instead creates new ones: isolation, weight, cost, battery life, etc.
  • It competes with — but doesn’t outperform — existing Apple devices like iPads, iPhones, and Macs.
  • In short, it has no “reason to live” as a mainstream product other than niche applications.
Now apply the same logic to a foldable iPhone:
  • Compromised form factor: it’s essentially two phones sandwiched together. Thicker. Heavier. Awkward. No matter how sleek Apple tries to make it, the ergonomics will suffer.
  • Display trade-offs: to fold, the screen needs to be plastic — not glass and optics will be degraded. That means lower durability, more scratches, and likely a visible crease, even if faint.
  • No clear productivity gain: it won’t be large enough to replace an iPad Pro for serious work or multitasking. It’s not going to make spreadsheets, document editing, or design work better.
  • It solves nothing: nobody is asking for this. It doesn’t address a real consumer painpoint. It adds complexity to a form factor that’s already perfected: the slab phone.
  • It’s outclassed by existing devices: iPhones are great at being phones. iPads are great at being tablets. Laptops are great at being computers. A foldable iPhone is a master of none.
Yes, I know some of you will say: “But I want one!”

Sure. And that’s fine. Enthusiasts like us often love cutting-edge technology. But if you look at the reasons above, this device has niche appeal at best. It will not capture mainstream consumer demand. Just like AVP, it’ll be a showcase product — a status symbol, a curiosity — not a mainstream device.

I suspect Apple is putting out controlled leaks to throw off the competition and has no intention of releasing a foldable iPhone. If they actually do release such a device, they will have lost the plot.

Please define what you mean by "flop".

What defines as flop or not flop? Over what timeframe?

If we don't have a shared definition, everyone will end up claiming they were right.
 
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  • No clear productivity gain: it won’t be large enough to replace an iPad Pro for serious work or multitasking. It’s not going to make spreadsheets, document editing, or design work better.

I understand your argument, but let’s try to be fair with this point. Of course any iPhone cannot match an iPad Pro for productivity.

A closer and fairer comparable item would be the iPad Mini. So we have at least some cross-over potential for customers who may use both an iPhone and an iPad Mini. This would essentially be a combination device for gaming, reading, and video.

Based on this I don’t think a foldable iPhone would flop. It will never sell as well as anything in the current iPhone lineup, but sales of the device could be steady enough for Apple to keep it going as a niche product category.

There is also some potential utility for business, medical, and industrial applications.
 
They will have a boatload of things to help with the aspect ratio. They wouldn't choose an "awkward" aspect ratio unless they would.
Apples foldable is rumored to use a 4X3 aspect ratio anyway, the same aspect ratio that the majority of iPads have used since the original, so I have no idea what this guy is on about anyway.
For anyone curious, the rumored resolutions for the folding phone are:
Inner display: approximately 7.76 inches, 2,713 x 1,920
Outer display: 5.49-inches, 2,088 x 1,422
 
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You just listed your personal opinions in the OP, so why shouldn’t other people list theirs?

It is not for everyone but Apples rumoured device have clear advantages in some areas like productivity and lower complexity in having one device fill two roles. To me the downsides like durability doesn’t matter since I will just buy a new one every year and have AppleCare+.

Expensive devices doesn’t need to sell in the same number as the cheaper ones to still be profitable enough to pursue.

In addition to what you've said above, I'd add that there are also reasons to create a premium product like this that are not about direct revenue.

Having a foldable phone at a $2000 price point creates a new, higher price point that users subconsciously reference when deciding on which iPhone to get, which may well lead to more people choosing more expensive phones than before.
 
People were buying Netbooks too. And convertible laptops. And they failed. There is a well established vector in technology of people who buy products like this: Early Adopters.
Netbooks still exist in the form of Chrome Books, which sell millions of units each year (unfortunately).
The Yoga and similar products still exist, too, albeit just because.
You can still count both as failures, as they represent an almost vanishingly small portion of active devices. But unlike foldables, no body really benefits from a laptop with a touchscreen that folds back or a laptop you need an internet connection for.
However, being able to choose between screen sizes on the go with a device that’s barely thicker than an iPhone 17 Pro is a very versatile feature we don’t know of how beneficial it might be to most users, because most users didn’t pay too much attention to them.
However, if Apple releases one, it will be on the map of far more people and, considering Apple customers are more willing to pay premium prices while being less willing to explore Android hardware, will be much more common than it is right now.

Vision Pro failed because its premium hardware is too expensive while the software isn’t even on par with a 5 year old Meta Quest.
If an upcoming folding iPhone fails it will be because Apple gimped the software like they did with Vision Pro. Not because it’s an inherently bad design, which Vision Pro isn’t either.
 
Netbooks still exist in the form of Chrome Books, which sell millions of units each year (unfortunately).
The Yoga and similar products still exist, too, albeit just because.
You can still count both as failures, as they represent an almost vanishingly small portion of active devices.
You think chromebooks count as a failure? That's wild. They are great devices and are still very popular.
 
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So?
You act as if every first generation Apple product isn’t like this.
Newsflash: they all are.
Even the iPhone Air, smaller battery, single speaker, single camera.
Also, I still have absolutely no idea where you keep getting this idea that fold phones are required to be “bulky”, it is just simply not the case.
The galaxy Z fold seven, which I haven’t seen you mentioned once and you just seemed to completely ignore as if it doesn’t exist, is literally, no exaggeration, only 0.15 MM thicker and 20 G lighter than an iPhone 17 Pro Max.

ZFold 7: 8.9 MM thick, 215 G
iPhone 17 Pro Max: 8.75 MM thick, 233 G

Where is this hefty bulky brick you keep referring to? It certainly isn’t most modern folding phones.
Is that folded or unfolded?
 
I think biggest issue with foldables is the point of failure, which is the hinge and inner screen, not the price. Samsung is on the seventh iteration and they still haven't completely sovled this issue.
Humans and animals also have points of failure at the bends, in guess nothing is perfect 😝
 
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Maybe, but not for $2k.
If I was provided the option to merge both my iPad and iPhone and just have convenient device then $2k or more is not an issue.

It has to have quad speakers and comparable features that it is replacing on both devices.

If the external screen is 21:9 ratio like Fold 7 then watching videos even on the outer display is good. Now if this had a DeX like function then even better it can replace a Mac as well.

To put things into context I rarely use my MBA, usually for things that iOS or iPadOS is unable or artificially limited to do so by Apple.
 
When don't they? Has anyone said, 'this screen is too big, wish it was smaller' IF portability or space is not a concern? (yes, I know, when portability is a concern some like smaller screens, if only a smaller screen could unfold to a larger screen). I expect you to get quite pedantic here.

But I find the iPhone Pro Max screen too small for prolonged web browsing. Would love a fold then.



2% of a really big number is still a big number. Not a flop.



Which is it? A flop or a niche? because those aren't even close to the same thing. You seem to be trying to state they are equivalent for your 'objective facts', but calling a 'cat' a 'dog' doesnt make the cat into a dog.

It will be a niche, yes. A flop, no. I define flop as to Apple not seeing a profit materialize and stops making them.

Btw, the Mac Studio is definitely a niche. It sells well enough that Apple is on the 3rd iteration. Not a flop.

You play loosely with language, you also use 'compromise' to mean 'flawed.' Again, nope. I would think a captain of digital industry such as yourself would know every single product made, digital or material, is a compromise. telll me one that is not. Heck even the Mona Lisa was a compromise from a larger canvas to what is essentially a doodle of Leonardo's. Folks actually in industry come up with user specs that inherently contain compromises. Just saying.



Shrugs, is it really a full-on competition, slab vs foldable, or two different markets in similar spaces? Semantics maybe, in the end doesn't matter. It is clear that Apple likes to sell expensive products to people with deep pockets, to date these people have often been buying iPhone Pros whether they need them or not. But they are getting bored, they want 'innovation' so Apple is courting them by giving them 'choice', not 'competition.' The iPhone Air is expensive and aimed to give iPhone Pro owners a choice from just next years Pro. Likewise the Fold will be expensive and will give the deep pocket crowd another choice to spend on. Not a flop.



Not sure exactly what you are saying, but my go to device is an iPad mini. I own an MBA, a MBP, a Mac Studio with two ASD's, two iPad pros, the 13 and 11, the aforementioned iPad mini, and yes, an iPhone Pro Max, and the majority of my screen time is on my mini. I like the form factor for casual reading in a variety of places, easy to hold, big enough screen to contain more than a few sentences, you get the idea (I hope), but I cant always carry it on me. For me, my iPhone Pro Max is the compromise I use it as a phone (shocking), sometimes a camera, and its portable so it can fit in my pocket and don't need a backpack And in a pinch I can use it to read email and even occasionally MR. But I much prefer the browsing experience on my iPad mini. following along? I carry a Pro Max, so I have accepted the bulk, but I would love a bigger screen. Wow, if only it folded up to fit in my pocket, but I could open it no matter where I was in the fricking world and use it like I use my mini. What a concept!



So? For productivity my goto is my Mac Studio if I am at home, the MBP if I am in the office, and the MBA if I am on the road. For web browsing my goto is the aforementioned iPad mini. I use the iPad Pros primarily for sitting on the deck enjoying the view while selecting photos to edit or throw out (later on the Mac).



I hear you. I have a Stanley steamer, and a Lamborghini. Oh and a horse and buggy. There are essentially the same thing, though the fuel and waste products vary. 4 wheels. locomotion.

Not clear what point you are even trying to make. but yeah. there are differences in what those devices could do that outweigh the superficial similarities.



Yep a new concept that people have been talking about (and wishing for) for over a decade, decades if you count Isaac Asimov, and which hit the market 6 years ago. There is a lot of pent up demand for a decent fold, and typically Apple releases decent.


Oh didnt quote this but too good to pass up commenting on...

"People use smartphones for its intended purpose: it’s mobile. A key driver of why people use smartphones is its portability and ability to use it with one hand."

One would think a titan of industry could afford a pro max. An oft repeated criticism of the Pro Max is it is too big to use one handed. I know I have never used mine one handed. Okay, maybe 0.05% of the time. In the car I use Siri. Most places I hold with one hand and operate with the other. And I am not alone.

You make a lot of statements you consider as objective but which are opinion and often wrong. I would love a smaller phone that I could use one handed comfortably but unfolded to give me an iPad mini experience.

To conclude. I reject your definition of 'flop' to be a 'niche.' Apple will make them. They will sell. There already are a product category, in time they will be for Apple too. They don't have to take over mainstream to be a success.
Well-reasoned responses. I wish I had your patience.
 
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Apples foldable is rumored to use a 4X3 aspect ratio anyway, the same aspect ratio that the majority of iPads have used since the original, so I have no idea what this guy is on about anyway.
Basically the form factor will resemble that of the original Pixel Fold and Oppo Find N2, whereas the inner screen will open in landscape orientation versus portrait that's found in the current book-style Android foldables.

Reason why Android OEMs abandon this form factor because it's taken Google awhile to push the Android tablet UI forward. I think it's in better shape now... Google has shifted focus in updating all it's apps to optimized for tablet UI, but Apple has always been ahead with the iPad.

But I'm excited for what Apple bring to the market... curious on what features they will adopt for the inner display. Will they take the whole iPadOS 26 multitasking format or keep it simple with iPadOS 18 multitasking approach?
 
I have a Pro Max in my pocket and an iPad at home and for me personally, I don't need the two devices combined. I have very different use cases for each and use both in different environments/locations. Apple aren't going to release a folding phone at a competitive price point either and I would imagine it will be aligned with what Samsung have done. No interest to me, thanks.
 
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I suppose it will have foldOS, a hybrid between iOS and iPadOS?
I recall when iPhone Plus was released and when in landscape mode the OS provided more options compared to the standard iPhone display in landscape mode. Don’t need a new OS just an expansion or merger.
 
A foldable iPhone will flop. Just like the Apple Vision Pro (AVP), it will be a niche product with limited appeal — not the next big thing. Yes, I know there will be a small brigade of you ready to jump in and tell me they want one, and therefore everyone must want one too. But personal desire doesn’t equal market demand.

When Apple announced the AVP, I made the case here on the forums that it would fail to gain general consumer interest. Not because it’s not impressive tech — it is. But because it lacks broad utility and solves no pressing problem for most people. The same logic applies to a foldable iPhone. Here’s why.

The main reasons I listed why the Apple Vision Pro would be a niche product right after it was announced:
  • It’s an awkward form factor — wearing ski goggles on your face is not how most people want to interact with the world.
  • It simulates reality poorly. The highest-fidelity version of reality is… reality.
  • It doesn’t solve a widespread problem, and instead creates new ones: isolation, weight, cost, battery life, etc.
  • It competes with — but doesn’t outperform — existing Apple devices like iPads, iPhones, and Macs.
  • In short, it has no “reason to live” as a mainstream product other than niche applications.
Now apply the same logic to a foldable iPhone:
  • Compromised form factor: it’s essentially two phones sandwiched together. Thicker. Heavier. Awkward. No matter how sleek Apple tries to make it, the ergonomics will suffer.
  • Display trade-offs: to fold, the screen needs to be plastic — not glass and optics will be degraded. That means lower durability, more scratches, and likely a visible crease, even if faint.
  • No clear productivity gain: it won’t be large enough to replace an iPad Pro for serious work or multitasking. It’s not going to make spreadsheets, document editing, or design work better.
  • It solves nothing: nobody is asking for this. It doesn’t address a real consumer painpoint. It adds complexity to a form factor that’s already perfected: the slab phone.
  • It’s outclassed by existing devices: iPhones are great at being phones. iPads are great at being tablets. Laptops are great at being computers. A foldable iPhone is a master of none.
Yes, I know some of you will say: “But I want one!”

Sure. And that’s fine. Enthusiasts like us often love cutting-edge technology. But if you look at the reasons above, this device has niche appeal at best. It will not capture mainstream consumer demand. Just like AVP, it’ll be a showcase product — a status symbol, a curiosity — not a mainstream device.

I suspect Apple is putting out controlled leaks to throw off the competition and has no intention of releasing a foldable iPhone. If they actually do release such a device, they will have lost the plot.
Vision Pro suffered from the wrong marketing. Apple costed it as a Mac Pro but tried selling it to iPhone users. Had they concentrated on education, healthcare and industry instead of home users 800k sales would be viewed as quite a success.

I can see how an iPhone that turns into an iPad Mini could be quite useful to a niche of users but a folding spoon is still ultimately just a spoon.
 
You think chromebooks count as a failure? That's wild. They are great devices and are still very popular.
I wonder if most of those sales are to school boards though. Kids view them as mandatory school tools rather than personal devices they want to use by choice. I think cheap Windows laptops along with tablets have evolved into this space. And maybe used hand me down Apple products as well. Not saying they are a failure overall though.
 
A foldable iPhone will flop. Just like the Apple Vision Pro (AVP), it will be a niche product with limited appeal — not the next big thing. Yes, I know there will be a small brigade of you ready to jump in and tell me they want one, and therefore everyone must want one too. But personal desire doesn’t equal market demand.

When Apple announced the AVP, I made the case here on the forums that it would fail to gain general consumer interest. Not because it’s not impressive tech — it is. But because it lacks broad utility and solves no pressing problem for most people. The same logic applies to a foldable iPhone. Here’s why.

The main reasons I listed why the Apple Vision Pro would be a niche product right after it was announced:
  • It’s an awkward form factor — wearing ski goggles on your face is not how most people want to interact with the world.
  • It simulates reality poorly. The highest-fidelity version of reality is… reality.
  • It doesn’t solve a widespread problem, and instead creates new ones: isolation, weight, cost, battery life, etc.
  • It competes with — but doesn’t outperform — existing Apple devices like iPads, iPhones, and Macs.
  • In short, it has no “reason to live” as a mainstream product other than niche applications.
Now apply the same logic to a foldable iPhone:
  • Compromised form factor: it’s essentially two phones sandwiched together. Thicker. Heavier. Awkward. No matter how sleek Apple tries to make it, the ergonomics will suffer.
  • Display trade-offs: to fold, the screen needs to be plastic — not glass and optics will be degraded. That means lower durability, more scratches, and likely a visible crease, even if faint.
  • No clear productivity gain: it won’t be large enough to replace an iPad Pro for serious work or multitasking. It’s not going to make spreadsheets, document editing, or design work better.
  • It solves nothing: nobody is asking for this. It doesn’t address a real consumer painpoint. It adds complexity to a form factor that’s already perfected: the slab phone.
  • It’s outclassed by existing devices: iPhones are great at being phones. iPads are great at being tablets. Laptops are great at being computers. A foldable iPhone is a master of none.
Yes, I know some of you will say: “But I want one!”

Sure. And that’s fine. Enthusiasts like us often love cutting-edge technology. But if you look at the reasons above, this device has niche appeal at best. It will not capture mainstream consumer demand. Just like AVP, it’ll be a showcase product — a status symbol, a curiosity — not a mainstream device.

I suspect Apple is putting out controlled leaks to throw off the competition and has no intention of releasing a foldable iPhone. If they actually do release such a device, they will have lost the plot.
Boring, obvious observations since the commentary depends solely on the size definition of "niche," which you imply is a bad thing. The word niche is not a bad thing! And it is foolish to poll asking who intends to buy a product that has not even been announced. Any poll results are so skewed by the absurdity of the query as to be meaningless in the extreme.

• If Apple releases a foldable phone it will not flop. Some fools will call it a flop no matter what, simply by defining the size of the niche as too small to suit their own particular real-data-ignorant mindsets.

Apple Vision Pro clearly was a success as a new technology demonstration. Yet some fools call AVP a "flop" by defining the size of the niche as too small to suit their own particular real-data-ignorant mindsets. IMO selling in excess of 100k units of a new $3,500 tech demonstration device defines a very healthy niche, so AVP is also a sales success, even though IMO the tech demo success was not dependent on sales.
 
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What are you omitting is that there are other devices it has to compete with: non-folding smartphones and tablets. List the reasons why someone would buy a foldable smartphone over a non-foldable one.
You [apparently seriously] ask: "List the reasons why someone would buy a foldable smartphone over a non-foldable one."

Umm, because some buyers like the idea of a having a tablet-sized device they can fit in their pockets. Is that not obvious?
 
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