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A Greener Apple
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When Steve says "our policy" it's VERY clear that he's talking about their policy of not talking about this issue with the public.
So when you come here and try and pass off thje phrase "our policy" as something else, well, it makes me feel like you think I'm an idiot. I read the letter. I know what it says. You can't just change the meaning of it and expect us to believe your version.
I have no problem with different opinions, but I really don't like people who just make stuff up and then act like I'm stupid for not believing them. That's not you sharing an opinion...that's just annoying.
I doubt this is a response to Greenpeace but rather to the growing concern among Apple's customers and shareholders for the environment.
Greenpeace can only pressure Apple to the extent it can convince customers and shareholders to follow its lead. And at least here in the US Greenpeace seems to be a radical marginalized group. Personally, I'm pretty much a green-head, but back in my college days I got a close-up view of their fundraising "tactics" and I'll never have anything to do with that group. Even if that was just a local problem, they are just a bunch of sanctimonious bleeps who will say and do anything to get attention for themselves.
Anyway, good job Apple!
Now how about reducing those greenhouse gases!
Greenpeace can only pressure Apple to the extent it can convince customers and shareholders to follow its lead. And at least here in the US Greenpeace seems to be a radical marginalized group. Personally, I'm pretty much a green-head, but back in my college days I got a close-up view of their fundraising "tactics" and I'll never have anything to do with that group. Even if that was just a local problem, they are just a bunch of sanctimonious bleeps who will say and do anything to get attention for themselves.
Anyway, good job Apple!
Now how about reducing those greenhouse gases! 
That simple becuase HP has a public policy about being green, and they report numbers, so it is easier to go after a target who already get a majory share of press and who happens not to have public policy about being green nor reports any numbers.
I also think we'll see a raise in Apple's display prices but there will also be benifits to the newer displays:
• Perfect 180º viewing angle (*)
• Less power hungry (*)
• Better contrast ratio
• "True" whites/blacks
• Better color gamut
• Better durability/lifetime
• Lighter/thinner casings (*)
(*) A lot of these factor will benefit the laptops.
Also, Apple will probably add some perks to the new displays. Cameras? Higher Resolutions? I'm personally hoping for Components/HDMI inputs/outputs but I'm not holding my breath for these.
Maybe, just maybe,
Apple issued this statement because Greenpeace's mock Apple site just won a Webby and will be heavily viewed.
http://www.webbyawards.com/webbys/current.php
Winners
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/makingwaves/archives/2007/05/bittersweet_green_my_apple_win.html
Statement
Apple issued this statement because Greenpeace's mock Apple site just won a Webby and will be heavily viewed.
http://www.webbyawards.com/webbys/current.php
Winners
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/makingwaves/archives/2007/05/bittersweet_green_my_apple_win.html
Statement
Hey MacRy, some advice:
Don't dare think about taking on the 'Apple Apologista' that are prevalent on these and other Apple forums. Even the Albanian Mafia are scared of them...
You might be right, but Greenpeace is arrogant enough to interpret this as a victory for them, and use it to further inflate their egos. That ego will encorage them to meddle with other companies who they decide not to like.
-Clive
You're misquoting. Steve was referring to Apple's policy of not discussing future plans, not Apple's environmental policy.
EDIT: Beaten to it. Small White Car is right, though...
anyone who actually knows something about these issues care to weigh in?
I would absolutely be proud of apple if this was as good as it seems. Forgive me for not completely trusting the head of the company on environmental issues. we need a response from green peace
I would absolutely be proud of apple if this was as good as it seems. Forgive me for not completely trusting the head of the company on environmental issues. we need a response from green peace
Well, computing benefits are not that useful when you're suffering from heavy metal poisoning.
Gee, don't you know how these people think, they live in self righteous world and they do not impact the world unlike the rest of us.
Here is how you deal with groups and people like greenpeace and other, you tell them when they are living naked in the woods and living off the land and do not use any modern technology to substain themselves then they have every right to tell the rest of use how we are screwing things up. In the mean time come to the table with real solutions to help us all live in a better world, other pointing out the obvious is not help.
Case and point, you all have seen greenpeace chasing whaling ship with those nice fast Kodiak boats which happen to use 2 cycle engines which are the worst popluting engine on the market. Gee way are they not paddling a canoe after the whalers.
I agree and think these things would be nice, but at what cost? Will this raise the average laptop price by $100 or $500 or even more? I know that I am not willing to pay much more that I currently am.
Because laptops are the 100% of the cause of that...
Computing benefits are not that useful if you can't afford them as well.
I didn't change the meaning of anything. The letter is, by it's own admission, a statement in reponse to an environmental group's comments which has changed their policy about being more upfront about what they do. So 'yes' Greenpeace has changed Apple's policy which is what I said.
Many years of lobbying and public exposure by groups such as Greenpeace has resulted in companies and governments being pressured into taking notice of environmental concerns, so in some respects they have helped shape the market's policy on being green. Surely you can't deny that.
If you feel an idiot or stupid because someone offers a challenging perspective on an issue then that's not my problem and you shouldn't be so derogatory in your responses.
Yeah, it would be nice if people could actually argue with valid facts but that isn't gonna happen unfortunately.
So, what? You're in favor of hunting whales and putting more lead BACK into the iMacs?
I've made my low opinion of Greenpeace known already, but this is just silly. The goals that Greenpeace wants to accomplish are all totally valid and SHOULD be pursued. I just think there are other ways of doing it.
is the sh*it!
Yeah, because Greenpeace is so unbiased. Sorry but I'll take the opinion of my fellow peers (scientists) to be a bit more unbiased and accurate. At least we know how to research and conduct experiments properly.
Agreed.
I don't think Samsung has announced prices for their new LED Backlit LCDs. I can't wait to see what the price premium will be. Crossing my fingers.
That statement speaks for itself in a different context. The policy he is referring to is what is shared with the public through press releases, not what they are actually doing.
It's not about who is bigger. It's about who is more interesting to the audience. HP is not as interesting as Apple.
Greenpeace is a group that yells really loud. They are sensationalists, which is not an effective way to make changes they claim to be interested in. Sure, if you publicly yell at someone they might make a change, but it's an awfully inefficient technique (unless your primary goal is to get the media talking about you instead).
Maybe you should step back from what appears to be a blind devotion to Greenpeace. There are plenty of people who agree with the stated ideals of Greenpeace, but we have a problem with their techniques. Imagine a group with a stated goal of ending starvation. Now imagine that this group decides to protest against Kellogg for not giving away large quantities of food to some particular third-world country, and they protest by covering every parking meter in New York City with dog crap. We can support the ideal of ending starvation and still disapprove of the group, right?
Unfortunately, that is how this news will be Spin-Doctored.
Absolutely.
but...but...are you telling me that Leopard's Time Machine isn't a real one??
Indeed. Any intelligent person will read the letter as saying "this is what we've accomplished". Personally, I very much like how the letter points out how other companies have been tap-dancing and making promises - - and Apple's plans, currently in force and underway, are beating them to virtually every damn milestone.
Overall, the "Recycling Our Products (E-Waste)" paragraph at the end was a bit weak, considering its placement as the closer. What they should have done was to have concluded with a small, hard-hitting summary.
Perhaps something like this.
Edit: updated the summary chart
-hh