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I'm with you on this. Get the intel, and then trash the mission, before it goes to a Success/Failure vote. Hopefully we'll get plots where we will be able to clear at least 2 more.

Am I the only one that doesn't see both of you cleared in any way or form? If there is something that could clear a player it surely should be used at you, no? And that's why I think the spy was a bit of a waste on you.

Aborting the mission should be discussed after we know what plots are in play. It would have made more sense to cancel the last one by default than this one imo. So let's wait first please. I'm not against it but we that step should be made after we discussed our options.
 
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Fenris made some posts I don't follow/disagree on. And there was this "crownjewel - she decided to fail" comment that stood out. most probably nothing but paranoia, maybe not. Don't see how it's more important in our current situation to have an agent less on the mission opposed to openly distribute the plots.
You want to give some details rather than a very vague don't follow / disagree on. The crownjewel thing was just a joke because she was MIA at that point (Queen stealing crown jewels).

Do you really want to have an infiltrator picking the team and choosing who to give the plot points too? I think that's pretty much guaranteed to give us another mission failure (since their going to try to add at least 1 infilitrator and make sure the plots are distributed so as to make it as hard as possible to find that infilitrator) and we can only have 2 more until this is game over.

I was believing you as being an agent - now your sounding like a spy to me.
 
Am I the only one that doesn't see both of you cleared in any way or form? If there is something that could clear a player it surely should be used at you, no? And that's why I think the spy was a bit of a waste on you.

Well, to be fair, I know that DP is an agent and I know that I'm an agent. So I was being truthful when I wrote that. DP and I are the only ones I know for sure are cleared.

I also think the spy was wasted on me, but what are you going to do? What's done is done.
 
I'm with you on this. Get the intel, and then trash the mission, before it goes to a Success/Failure vote. Hopefully we'll get plots where we will be able to clear at least 2 more.

YAY
I really don't think you can rely on QoS to scuttle the mission. I think she would have been a much more useful person for mscriv to clear than you since she had the other plot point. If she's an infiltrator why would she use the no confidence? It's their best move for the mission to proceed with as little useful information being got as possible.
 
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interesting discussion.
some thoughts on the last mission.

if there was exactly one infiltrator.
a no brainer for them to vote failure, obviously.

it's the best-case scenario for infis, which makes koodauw a little bit more suspect, as the person who selected the team.
it would also mean that 4 of the rest of the mission were agents, so it would make sense to change the mission as little as possible
it would also means that 3 of the 5 remaining are Infis, which again it would suggest to change the mission as little as possible

in this scenario, moyank is cleared and so am i . so one on the infi would be in the mscriv-QoS-fenris group, and 3 in the koodauw-wood-astroboy-techgod-twietee group.
if mscriv is the infi, than the spy was basically just a sharade, if not, then he had 1/3 chance and picked the wrong one.


if there were more than one infiltrators.

more complex for the Infis: if both/more vote failure, then it comes up in the score and there is a strong reduction in the suspect pool. if any decide to hide, it is risky since if they all do they qould wast a golden opportunity to score an easy point. ideal is if they can sort of subtly communicate -in the thread- who is the person to vote 'fail' so the rest can hide.
i need to go back and re-read the posts with this in mind, to see if anything stands out (knowing well that paranoia creates a powerful reality distortion field).

an alternative is that there could be events in the thread that bypass the need for that. one is possibly the Spy plot. if the spy plot is assigned to an Infi, that would be the ideal candidate to vote fail, as a) they cannot be spied and b) they can use the spy to 'clear' another infi. would this be enough for the putative second/third infi to vote 'success' with confidence, on our very first game, without any previous communication/discussion about strategies? hard to say, maybe not but not impossible. this scenario would make mscriv-moyank suspect

alternatively they could have just tried their luck and hit the good combination (with two infis odds would be 50% F/S, 25% F/F, 25% S/S), not that unlikely. In this case, if mscriv is the infi who voted 'success', than he would scan a non-infi for sure, which would clear moyank.

if 2/5 in the mission are agents, then 2/5 of the rest also are so switching is kind of neutral. the more agents were in this mission, the least likely koodauw is a suspect in my eyes

because of the above and the tone of his post that stroke me iffy, i have some reserves regarding mscriv.

all this said, i am going into meetings all morning so i might or not be able to sneak a peak on the phone.
therefore -notwithstanding my reserves on mscriv- am voting YAY,
with a very strong nod to @Queen of Spades to scuttle the mission after the plots are assigned by Mission Central, which i thought would have been a good Agent play already yesterday.
@Don't panic - I think your making a mistake here. If QoS is an infiltrator what would she (they) gain by scuttling the mission after the plots are assigned. I don't think you should be relying on QoS to use the No confidence plot.
 
Final vote tally

Votes
yay: 5 TechGod, twietee, WoodNUFC, Don't panic, Moyank24
nay: 2 FenrisMoonlight, Queen of Spades

Yet to vote: Koodauw, mscriv

Voting Log
Post 328 TechGod voted for yay
Post 329 FenrisMoonlight voted for nay
Post 336 Queen of Spades voted for nay
Post 339 twietee voted for yay
Post 347 WoodNUFC voted for yay
Post 348 Don't panic voted for yay
Post 350 Moyank24 voted for yay
 
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Am I the only one that doesn't see both of you cleared in any way or form? If there is something that could clear a player it surely should be used at you, no? And that's why I think the spy was a bit of a waste on you.

Aborting the mission should be discussed after we know what plots are in play. It would have made more sense to cancel the last one by default than this one imo. So let's wait first please. I'm not against it but we that step should be made after we discussed our options.
Aborting makes sense if we think there is a infiltrator in the mission team which there most definitely is (since I'm an agent there has to be at least 1 unless Astroboy is an infiltrator and choose an all agents team - not very likely). Remember it only takes 3 mission failures for them to win and we already have 1.
 
Agreed, moyank. What's done is done but it should still be noted/voiced.

I was believing you as being an agent - now your sounding like a spy to me.

We have 6-4. Put one agent on the leading postition and he has to assign the perfect team. That's eventually possible much later in the game when we have much more info (and at least some cleared players), now it's almost impossible/pure luck.

What plot is so devastating in the hands of an infiltrator (which DP wouldn't know anyway, so that's still likely to happen) that you'd prefer this scenario? Really can't follow you and think it's strange to say that this kind of thought makes me look like a baddie.
 
Aborting makes sense if we think there is a infiltrator in the mission team which there most definitely is (since I'm an agent there has to be at least 1 unless Astroboy is an infiltrator and choose an all agents team - not very likely). Remember it only takes 3 mission failures for them to win and we already have 1.

Um, that's exactly what I said yesterday?

And I know you guys failed the mission. ;)
 
because of the above and the tone of his post that stroke me iffy, i have some reserves regarding mscriv.

I totally get the suspicion in general, but can you expound further regarding why my post and tone sound "iffy" to you?

Am I the only one that doesn't see both of you cleared in any way or form? If there is something that could clear a player it surely should be used at you, no? And that's why I think the spy was a bit of a waste on you.

Well, to be fair, I know that DP is an agent and I know that I'm an agent. So I was being truthful when I wrote that. DP and I are the only ones I know for sure are cleared.

I also think the spy was wasted on me, but what are you going to do? What's done is done.

I explained my reasoning when I posted the go ahead order to Spy. I think clearing folks is the best possible strategy and voting for the first mission to succeed is pretty solid evidence in my book to prove Moyank is an agent. @twietee, I'm surprised you don't agree and I think any further plots directed at either DP or Moyank would be a complete waste. It's sort of suspicious in my book to even suggest that.

The yays have it.

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@ravenvii, can you clarify the No Confidence plot for us? Specifically, we are assuming that if it is used to stop a mission that the plots distributed remain in play? The description of the plot says that it "restarts the turn". Does that mean it nullifies the plots handed out during that mission too? I just want to clarify that point before we formulate a strategy around it as the way the rules are written it could be interpreted either way.
 
Agreed, moyank. What's done is done but it should still be noted/voiced.



We have 6-4. Put one agent on the leading postition and he has to assign the perfect team. That's eventually possible much later in the game when we have much more info and at least some cleared player, we have zero now but now almost impossible/pure luck.

What plot is so devasting in the hands of an infiltrator (which DP wouldn't know anyway, so that's still likely to happen) that you'd prefer this scenario? Really can't follow you and think it's strange to say that this kind of though makes me look like a baddie.
An agent leader at least has a chance (very slim) of assigning a viable mission team, and he'd have everyone up to his team choices to use to base his decision on - an infiltrator leader is bound to put 1 or more infiltrators on the team and it only takes 3 failures before we lose (of which we already have 1)

As I've said before I think the current setup is skewed towards the infiltrators. If we survive past mission 3 it will because we've already created a perfect team of 5 agents so we have a very good chance of making it all the way to mission 5 - but its very unlikely we will make it that far as its a 1 in 126 chance that an agent will create an all agent team (an infiltrator will almost certainly never create an all agent team).

Note: the original game has smaller mission teams for the first missions, starting with 3, then 4 for missions 2/3 and only builds to 5 team members for missions 4/5 mission which gives the agents more of a chance early on.
 
I'm surprised you don't agree and I think any further plots directed at either DP or Moyank would be a complete waste. It's sort of suspicious in my book to even suggest that.

But the spy can't clear a player. :)

It's ok to establish even more confidence, that's how I interprete the move but it's somewhat crazy to build our whole thought complex upon two players that aren't cleared at all.

If Mo and DP for example are baddies (doubt it): who is likely to get spied on? Moyank. Who would vote fail? Not her.

She's only cleared if we would know there was only one infiltrator in play - which we can't.
 
But the spy can't clear a player. :)

It's ok to establish even more confidence, that's how I interprete the move but it's somewhat crazy to build our whole thought complex upon two players that aren't cleared at all.

If Mo and DP for example are baddies (doubt it): who is likely to get spied on? Moyank. Who would vote fail? Not her.

She's only cleared if we would know there was only one infiltrator in play - which we can't.
Agreed - why moyank was still orange on my possible infiltrators list as it is still possible that she could be an infilitrator. DP I think is cleared since I think the other scenario - Koodauw giving the eavesdrop (either by chance or intentionally) to an infiltrator who could use it on another infiltrator and then claim them to be a agent is unlikely and probably a dangerous move since if it was revealed to be false it would out 1/2 possible 3/4 of the spys if Koodauw was too if it failed. Don't think it would happen the first time we're playing this game.
 
I totally get the suspicion in general, but can you expound further regarding why my post and tone sound "iffy" to you?





I explained my reasoning when I posted the go ahead order to Spy. I think clearing folks is the best possible strategy and voting for the first mission to succeed is pretty solid evidence in my book to prove Moyank is an agent. @twietee, I'm surprised you don't agree and I think any further plots directed at either DP or Moyank would be a complete waste. It's sort of suspicious in my book to even suggest that.



@ravenvii, can you clarify the No Confidence plot for us? Specifically, we are assuming that if it is used to stop a mission that the plots distributed remain in play? The description of the plot says that it "restarts the turn". Does that mean it nullifies the plots handed out during that mission too? I just want to clarify that point before we formulate a strategy around it as the way the rules are written it could be interpreted either way.
No, you keep the plots.
 
An agent leader at least has a chance (very slim) of assigning a viable mission team

How? There is not one single fully cleared player for DP except himself. And in other words: the chance for a team to succeed is much higher with as many cleared agents as possible, right? So I think even DP himself would prefer to be on the team instead of assigning agents he has nothing but a hunch on and distributing openly plots on agents he still couldn't trust. I see that as a flawed argument, and it's strange that you discard this so strongly ('makes me look like a baddie').
 
How? There is not one single fully cleared player for DP except himself. And in other words: the chance for a team to succeed is much higher with as many cleared agents as possible, right? So I think even DP himself would prefer to be on the team instead of assigning agents he has nothing but a hunch on and distributing openly plots on agents he still couldn't trust. I see that as a flawed argument, and it's strange that you discard this so strongly ('makes me look like a baddie').
Stop harping on to one point and ignoring the rest of what I'm saying. Yeah its a very slim chance of them doing so but its still higher than the chance of an infiltrator creating a successful all agent team which is my point.
 
But the spy can't clear a player. :)

It's ok to establish even more confidence, that's how I interprete the move but it's somewhat crazy to build our whole thought complex upon two players that aren't cleared at all.

If Mo and DP for example are baddies (doubt it): who is likely to get spied on? Moyank. Who would vote fail? Not her.

She's only cleared if we would know there was only one infiltrator in play - which we can't.

There are only so many ways to clear a player completely. And we may not have enough time or get the right plots to do it, so we go on what little information we have to at least narrow down the list.

Who would you distribute the plots to if you were Astroboy?
 
There are only so many ways to clear a player completely. And we may not have enough time or get the right plots to do it, so we go on what little information we have to at least narrow down the list.

Who would you distribute the plots to if you were Astroboy?
Depends what the plots were. Some like Expose and Identification verification make sense to give to people you think may be infiltrators since getting them out in the open helps us a lot.
Others like investigate you want to give to a cleared agent so they can use it to help us.
 
Fenris, I'm not harping. But look at Astroboy: it's not like any teamleader would just assign someone out of the blue now (or else s/he would look most suspicious), from now on it's much more of an group decision formed by former events. Plus you could always nay on a mission (like DP and you did before).

Moyank, but I said all that yesterday? There are some, but certainly not a lot, plots that can clear you (and respectively DP), that's why I would have aborted yesterday so that we hopefully get one of those today by chance. I don't follow mscriv's reasoning 100% now since he basically said yesterday that we should establish confidence in you as much as possible (hence spied on you), agreed, but then calls it a waste if we should try to 100% clear you and DP.
 
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