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[A] The Agency GAME OVER -- AGENTS WIN
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But at least DP and Moyank are cleared, correct? Even if this list has infiltrators, it wouldn't succeed, would it?
A small update to the OP's plots table to remove all doubt whether a plot is public or not.
Voting has officially begun. The 'soft' deadline for a majority is tomorrow at 12 PM eastern time. By soft I mean it could be extended a hour or two if reasonable.
Voting has officially begun. The 'soft' deadline for a majority is tomorrow at 12 PM eastern time. By soft I mean it could be extended a hour or two if reasonable.
Only takes 1 failure vote for it to fail so it can fail with just 1 infiltrator - since I'm an agent I think its pretty likely at least one of the other 3 is a infiltrator! Moyank isn't 100% cleared although its likely she's an agent.
Nay. I'm an Agent. According to the prevailing "hotlist" last game, mscriv is most likely an infiltrator.
Sweet! I think this proves that Moyank is definitely an agent. Sure, I get that she could be bluffing and really be an infiltrator who voted for a success instead of a failure, but I think that's too complex and too risky of a move in the first round. The far more plausible scenario is that she's telling the truth and is an agent.
So, with that being said, I think @Don't panic and @Moyank24 should be on every mission team from this point forward and any team leader who doesn't put them on a team is suspect.
@Astroboy907, can you give us some more insight as to the thinking behind your choices? From my perspective this team is not bad as I am confident about 3 of the 5 being agents, but I'd like to hear more from you before I vote. Why twietee and WoodNUFC? Based on the last mission we have to consider QOS, Fenris, and myself as potential infiltrators so putting any of us on another team is a potential risk. As stated previously, I know I'm an agent and therefore a safe choice, but I understand my claim is just as good as any of the others that have been made without corresponding evidence.
I understand the suspicion and that's why I think the safest play is not to include any of us from the last team except those that have been proven innocent, Moyank and DP. Truth is, I'm trying to be as objective and helpful as I can. I wish I could have used the Spy on myself so that I could clear my name beyond reasonable suspicion.
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Twietee, Don't Panic, and WoodNUFC were the only ones to nay the last mission, which likely means they are agents. In hindsight, it probably would've been better to put in Koodauw as a team member, as he wouldn't be allowed to vote for the success of the mission as team leader.
Perhaps I'm just not meant to be a leader...
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yay
got bad vibes from fenris and QoS, but nothing substantial. Good that they're not on the list.
think the spy on mo was a wee bit wasted but whatever.
Also, I think we should presume DP an agent for now, so it's much better he's on the mission than selecting the team, Fenris.
got bad vibes from fenris and QoS, but nothing substantial. Good that they're not on the list.
think the spy on mo was a wee bit wasted but whatever.
Also, I think we should presume DP an agent for now, so it's much better he's on the mission than selecting the team, Fenris.
No, it would have been quite likely for Moyank to vote success when she knew there was another infiltrator on the list. At least I'd think so.
I think the list makes sense. mscriv being the only one that voted yay (or hasn't been 'cleared' somewhat in other ways) and was part of a failed mission = so eventually the weakest link.
woodNUFC has the (only) experience with this game but isn't giving too much input. But that can have many reasons.
I'd prefer an agent to be distributing the plot points but if it doesn't work out that way hopefully the leader will give something useful to DP
Infiltrators would have to try to guess what the other infiltrators would do - voting success is a risk for them as if they all did the mission would be a success.No, it would have been quite likely for Moyank to vote success when she knew there was another infiltrator on the list. At least I'd think so.
I think the list makes sense. mscriv being the only one that voted yay (or hasn't been 'cleared' somewhat in other ways) and was part of a failed mission = so eventually the weakest link.
woodNUFC has the (only) experience with this game but isn't giving too much input. But that can have many reasons.
I think this game is skewed somehow with the current rules since if infiltrators always vote failure the only way we get past mission 3 is if we find a team of 5 agents before then - in which case we win by choosing the same team for the last two missions.
You could be one or not - DP is just more certain to be one.Since when am I not an agent?
I haven't given much input, because there hasn't been much to say that hasn't already been said. We know that there was at least one infil in that mission. Unfortunately, Moyank's vote doesn't clear her completely since a single infl vote would have failed the mission, and her "success" vote could just be cover. That said, I have a feeling she is an agent.No, it would have been quite likely for Moyank to vote success when she knew there was another infiltrator on the list. At least I'd think so.
I think the list makes sense. mscriv being the only one that voted yay (or hasn't been 'cleared' somewhat in other ways) and was part of a failed mission = so eventually the weakest link.
woodNUFC has the (only) experience with this game but isn't giving too much input. But that can have many reasons.
As for this mission group, I vote yay.
We know how Mo' voted last round. She also confirmed DP's role as an agent. We don't know enough about mscriv, yet, but I'm trusting him for now. I also trust Twietee, based on the amount of work he's putting in for the agents. I know that I'm an agents, so for me this group is good to go.
interesting discussion.
some thoughts on the last mission.
if there was exactly one infiltrator.
a no brainer for them to vote failure, obviously.
it's the best-case scenario for infis, which makes koodauw a little bit more suspect, as the person who selected the team.
it would also mean that 4 of the rest of the mission were agents, so it would make sense to change the mission as little as possible
it would also means that 3 of the 5 remaining are Infis, which again it would suggest to change the mission as little as possible
in this scenario, moyank is cleared and so am i . so one on the infi would be in the mscriv-QoS-fenris group, and 3 in the koodauw-wood-astroboy-techgod-twietee group.
if mscriv is the infi, than the spy was basically just a sharade, if not, then he had 1/3 chance and picked the wrong one.
if there were more than one infiltrators.
more complex for the Infis: if both/more vote failure, then it comes up in the score and there is a strong reduction in the suspect pool. if any decide to hide, it is risky since if they all do they qould wast a golden opportunity to score an easy point. ideal is if they can sort of subtly communicate -in the thread- who is the person to vote 'fail' so the rest can hide.
i need to go back and re-read the posts with this in mind, to see if anything stands out (knowing well that paranoia creates a powerful reality distortion field).
an alternative is that there could be events in the thread that bypass the need for that. one is possibly the Spy plot. if the spy plot is assigned to an Infi, that would be the ideal candidate to vote fail, as a) they cannot be spied and b) they can use the spy to 'clear' another infi. would this be enough for the putative second/third infi to vote 'success' with confidence, on our very first game, without any previous communication/discussion about strategies? hard to say, maybe not but not impossible. this scenario would make mscriv-moyank suspect
alternatively they could have just tried their luck and hit the good combination (with two infis odds would be 50% F/S, 25% F/F, 25% S/S), not that unlikely. In this case, if mscriv is the infi who voted 'success', than he would scan a non-infi for sure, which would clear moyank.
if 2/5 in the mission are agents, then 2/5 of the rest also are so switching is kind of neutral. the more agents were in this mission, the least likely koodauw is a suspect in my eyes
because of the above and the tone of his post that stroke me iffy, i have some reserves regarding mscriv.
all this said, i am going into meetings all morning so i might or not be able to sneak a peak on the phone.
therefore -notwithstanding my reserves on mscriv- am voting YAY,
with a very strong nod to @Queen of Spades to scuttle the mission after the plots are assigned by Mission Central, which i thought would have been a good Agent play already yesterday.
some thoughts on the last mission.
if there was exactly one infiltrator.
a no brainer for them to vote failure, obviously.
it's the best-case scenario for infis, which makes koodauw a little bit more suspect, as the person who selected the team.
it would also mean that 4 of the rest of the mission were agents, so it would make sense to change the mission as little as possible
it would also means that 3 of the 5 remaining are Infis, which again it would suggest to change the mission as little as possible
in this scenario, moyank is cleared and so am i . so one on the infi would be in the mscriv-QoS-fenris group, and 3 in the koodauw-wood-astroboy-techgod-twietee group.
if mscriv is the infi, than the spy was basically just a sharade, if not, then he had 1/3 chance and picked the wrong one.
if there were more than one infiltrators.
more complex for the Infis: if both/more vote failure, then it comes up in the score and there is a strong reduction in the suspect pool. if any decide to hide, it is risky since if they all do they qould wast a golden opportunity to score an easy point. ideal is if they can sort of subtly communicate -in the thread- who is the person to vote 'fail' so the rest can hide.
i need to go back and re-read the posts with this in mind, to see if anything stands out (knowing well that paranoia creates a powerful reality distortion field).
an alternative is that there could be events in the thread that bypass the need for that. one is possibly the Spy plot. if the spy plot is assigned to an Infi, that would be the ideal candidate to vote fail, as a) they cannot be spied and b) they can use the spy to 'clear' another infi. would this be enough for the putative second/third infi to vote 'success' with confidence, on our very first game, without any previous communication/discussion about strategies? hard to say, maybe not but not impossible. this scenario would make mscriv-moyank suspect
alternatively they could have just tried their luck and hit the good combination (with two infis odds would be 50% F/S, 25% F/F, 25% S/S), not that unlikely. In this case, if mscriv is the infi who voted 'success', than he would scan a non-infi for sure, which would clear moyank.
if 2/5 in the mission are agents, then 2/5 of the rest also are so switching is kind of neutral. the more agents were in this mission, the least likely koodauw is a suspect in my eyes
because of the above and the tone of his post that stroke me iffy, i have some reserves regarding mscriv.
all this said, i am going into meetings all morning so i might or not be able to sneak a peak on the phone.
therefore -notwithstanding my reserves on mscriv- am voting YAY,
with a very strong nod to @Queen of Spades to scuttle the mission after the plots are assigned by Mission Central, which i thought would have been a good Agent play already yesterday.
I agree on basically everything. mscriv is the most dubious on the team for me as well (although woodNUFC just didn't present much that could be questioned one way or the other yet).
As for the spy: I think it was pretty obvious, although I personally repeated more than once that I wouldn't use it on her, mscriv, while asking, made it pretty clear he was keen on spying moyank. Not sure why I was the only one (? - think so) who answered to that. Since she got exposure by her role, I think it's quite likely she'd voted for success to be safe if there had been more than one baddie and she's part of it.
As for QoS/NoConfi: since you asked before I'll return the favor and now ask you: why didn't you abort the mission? Any specific reason? And I certainly would wait and discuss the plots before aborting the upcoming one, DP.
Fenris made some posts I don't follow/disagree on. And there was this "crownjewel - she decided to fail" comment that stood out. most probably nothing but paranoia, maybe not. Don't see how it's more important in our current situation to have an agent less on the mission opposed to openly distribute the plots.
Was meant more in general. How you used to use plots/roles etc. That brings me to the question: do you have the same roles or are these more or less completely made up by ravenvii? Would think it's a mix of both but would be nice to know.
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I see that there was at least one other list before the final one: is that ok? thought ravenvii said no to that?
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TechGod u still alive?
I'm with you on this. Get the intel, and then trash the mission, before it goes to a Success/Failure vote. Hopefully we'll get plots where we will be able to clear at least 2 more.
YAY