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Edit - ohh I see ravenvii updated his post to add in the plots after I'd read it.
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[A] The Agency GAME OVER -- AGENTS WIN
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Edit - ohh I see ravenvii updated his post to add in the plots after I'd read it.
It still makes more sense to have more teams assignments to be able to use what information we can from peoples team choices than just ok every team list - and as I've said many times but you keep ignoring a infiltrator is going to put at least 1 infiltrator on the team. You allow that to happen for the next mission as well and we've lost.
Have to think about that some more later but right now something like:
strong leader: maybe mscriv (or woody) as I personally agree to disagree with Fenris and prefer to be on a team myself (same for you and DP).
eavesdrop: either DP (to scan me) or you to scan Woody. Hoping that we once can totally clear you /and hence quite a few others) --> abort mission?!
No confidence: the other one (you if DP received eavesdrop or vice versa). Or, since you two will be basically in every team most likely to woody or me, depending who you eavesdropped.
Should we waste rounds and plots to focus on DP and I or should we try to semi-clear/find a baddie among the other members of the group?
Chance is the operative word. We need the right plots and the rights group of agents (because something like eavesdrop can only be used on whomever is above or below the team member). And to get the plots we have to YAY the list. And the only way to kill it after that is to hope we get another no confidence.
I'm not sure why my reasoning is so difficult to follow? It's pretty simple. We needed to establish confidence in Moyank because she was given a plot that was answered via PM. At that point, in order for us to have any trust in her claim that DP was an agent we needed more clues as to what her role is. Knowing her vote on the mission is more than enough evidence for me since I think it would be crazy for an infiltrator to bluff the first mission. Is it possible, sure, but in my opinion completely unlikely. Do you really think at this point in the game it would be wise to use more plots on players whom we already have pretty good information on? Like Moyank already said we don't have time to "double/triple check" each player. There are a limited number of turns and a limited number of plots.
I don't think it's ever a waste to 100% clear a player. We shouldn't be that desparate now to go with 'believe'. You two should (IMHO!!) be on every team and probably play a crucial role in who receives the new plots. So that, if we have a chance, we cannot only clear you two but possibly a whole chain + gave plots to then also 100% cleared players.
It's just me. And we all know that Moyank can play a baddie so just because she voted once success isn't nearly enough in my book. I see you're point but to fully clear her and DP has the great side-effect that we can somewhat fully trust their opinions. But again, that's just my opinion and that's also why I thought the Spy on her a 'waste' - no offense/disrespect mscriv, though! We all have different approaches to these games and I don't think there is an absloute way of playing (would be totally boring too) and I surely have flaws* in my style too.
*not saying you played flawed of course
@twietee - I still don't understand how your missing the fact that an infiltrator leader will always put at least 1 infiltrator on the team which is a loss for us. Although when they play it we could simply vote down their proposed team and move on to the next person
Strong leader: I'd probably give to twietee. I'd like to see who he would propose for a mission team. Possibly it could go to WoodNUFC if the eavesdrop goes to Moyank. Either way would be nice to have a leader whose role we know so we can see how they make their choices.
eavesdrop: Agree - either DP or Moyank - either way your forcing who it would be used on - so we would clear or incriminate twietee or WoodNUFC
no confidence: Agree - either DP or moyank so they can abort this mission or the next one.
I'd probably favour eavesdrop to DP and no confidence to moyank but its pretty close.
Because it will/already gets much harder to put certain players on the list or ignore them on the other hand. Plus there is the chance to "nay" and even to abort a mission, if we get new plot-info. But let's just agree to disagree.
Please not, I guess I'm more of an field agent than behind the desk analyst.
Hm, gotta backtrack a little.
"No confidence: the other one (you if DP received eavesdrop or vice versa). Or, since you two will be basically in every team most likely to woody or me, depending who you eavesdropped."
I forgot that a player can have more than one plot, so it should be Moyank or DP (or me but that would be subjective) since we don't know what e.g. woodnufc turns up after getting eavesdropp'd.
"No confidence: the other one (you if DP received eavesdrop or vice versa). Or, since you two will be basically in every team most likely to woody or me, depending who you eavesdropped."
I forgot that a player can have more than one plot, so it should be Moyank or DP (or me but that would be subjective) since we don't know what e.g. woodnufc turns up after getting eavesdropp'd.
Yeah - and I very much think we should have nayed this one to get more information - but we absolutely cannot allow it for mission 3 (assuming mission 2 fails - which it currently looks like its going to) - can we agree on that much? Any infiltrator in a mission team once we have 2 failures means we're going to lose - right?Because it will/already gets much harder to put certain players on the list or ignore them on the other hand. Plus there is the chance to "nay" and even to abort a mission, if we get new plot-info. But let's just agree to disagree.
Please not, I guess I'm more of an field agent than behind the desk analyst.
The team leader has to give the 3 plots to different people - a player can only have more than 1 plot if they have an unplayed plot from a previous mission.
yes if she is an infiltrator she would have a vested interest in keeping the plot, but she would also tilt her hand in doing so
Yea, my intitial (flawed) thought was: DP/Mo on every team and likely to make a lot of sense to receive future plots: give NoConfidence to another player (in my scenario me or woody, although I'd prefer myself of course). But since that isn't the case one of those two should get it - if the majority/Astroboy doesn't want on of them to get strong leader since eavesdrop should be a no brainer on them.
agree on this. i also think QoS would have been the best candidate and one of the reason mscriv is higher on my suspect list.
well, now there is a bit of pressure on QoS to use the No Confidence on THIS mission, obviously after the plot have been assigned by astroboy
if she is an agent, why wouldn't she use it? is there a good reason for it?
and we have another one now, so if she doesn't, someone else can (i think i should get it)
It depends on which person we want to eavesdrop on:
Don't Panic - Moyank24/Twietee
Moyank24 - WoodNufc / Don't Panic
Twietee - DP/TechGod
WoodNUFC - Moyank24 / Astroboy
mscriv - QOS / TechGod
It has to be one that can be chain-cleared by clearing you. That way we'd have three fully cleared players who'd receive every single plot.
The way I see it (bit in a hurry now): there are still four plots (five counting this missions eavesdrop) to clear players. So we defo should abort this mission and finger cross on a willful RPG (random-plot-generator).
If ravenvii denies us more plots we are basically f#d.
If ravenvii denies us more plots we are basically f#d.
The way I see it (bit in a hurry now): there are still four plots (five counting this missions eavesdrop) to clear players. So we defo should abort this mission and finger cross on a willful RPG (random-plot-generator).
If ravenvii denies us more plots we are basically f#d.
Well after this round, no more eavesdrop, and 1 more no confidence, so the odds are getting better.
possibilities on plots for me:
Eavesdrop: i could use it on twietee or moyank.
if i use it on moyank and she comes clear, then we have two likely cleared players 9or we are both baddies supporting each other). i don't think this adds a lot.
if i use it on twietee and he comes clear, then the only way for him to be bad is if I am already bad, and the only way for me to be bad is if moyank is already bad, so either we are all bad, or me and twietee are clear and moyank semiclear.
i think this would be a good use of the eavesdrop
No Confidence: i can use it on this mission if QoS goes MIA on us again, or keep for future missions if need arises.
if QoS does not use the plot here, there is a good chance she is infi, so we don't want to give them two no confidence cards, because that would give the infis blitz capabilities
Strong leader: we are assured I won't put together a bad team on purpose (fenris' point), but there are no guarantees i won't do it by accident, at least for now. it would be more important in the future. like No Confidence, it can be defastating in Infi's hand for the blitz possibilities, and by itself if the team is yayed
Eavesdrop: i could use it on twietee or moyank.
if i use it on moyank and she comes clear, then we have two likely cleared players 9or we are both baddies supporting each other). i don't think this adds a lot.
if i use it on twietee and he comes clear, then the only way for him to be bad is if I am already bad, and the only way for me to be bad is if moyank is already bad, so either we are all bad, or me and twietee are clear and moyank semiclear.
i think this would be a good use of the eavesdrop
No Confidence: i can use it on this mission if QoS goes MIA on us again, or keep for future missions if need arises.
if QoS does not use the plot here, there is a good chance she is infi, so we don't want to give them two no confidence cards, because that would give the infis blitz capabilities
Strong leader: we are assured I won't put together a bad team on purpose (fenris' point), but there are no guarantees i won't do it by accident, at least for now. it would be more important in the future. like No Confidence, it can be defastating in Infi's hand for the blitz possibilities, and by itself if the team is yayed