Don't panic
macrumors 603
agreed. that's why i think we should start clearing people on this team, and vote unless one comes out bad
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[A] The Agency GAME OVER -- AGENTS WIN
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agreed. that's why i think we should start clearing people on this team, and vote unless one comes out bad
FenrisMoonlight
macrumors 6502a
ok - i think the other way - let that team stand or fail (if it does fail the people who could fail it are much more limited and a subsequent spy which we've got a 3/4 chance of getting next mission would very likely be able to determine who did) and clear some people outside of it for the next one. IMO it would give us more information for the next round than clearing people on the current team.
FenrisMoonlight
macrumors 6502a
Note: I don't like the idea that the next round would be sudden death in that case but I've expected to lose the first two missions and the whole game hinge on us getting through the 3rd ever since the beginning.
FenrisMoonlight
macrumors 6502a
If we find moyank is a infiltrator at this point I think we've already lost as the whole chain falls apart and no one is actually cleared. Moyank could have lied about DP, DP could have lied about you. Leaves us with 1 person we would know is an infiltrator and our chances of getting no infiltrators on the next 2 missions would be very slim
Moyank24
macrumors 601
twietee
macrumors 603
Slim, yes. Would it be a guaranteed loss like it would be when we just believe her, no.
I don't really get it, everything points to the direction that she's clear. So if that proves to be right we can fully trust DP and his next target etc. Strange you guys totally are against the idea to build a solid foundation. If she tricked us it's not like you shrug it off and say: well played. She got the most powerful plot day1, while fully knowing people would like to check on her (as mscriv said, used his Spy plot and then was suddenly convinced she's clear). If Moyank was a baddie + someone else (don't think that'd be you DP) it was a no-brainer for her to vote success, not much communication needed, especially with that many experienced players.
Well, guess you're right, Moyank. Premature on my part. But I still stand by my statement.
I don't really get it, everything points to the direction that she's clear. So if that proves to be right we can fully trust DP and his next target etc. Strange you guys totally are against the idea to build a solid foundation. If she tricked us it's not like you shrug it off and say: well played. She got the most powerful plot day1, while fully knowing people would like to check on her (as mscriv said, used his Spy plot and then was suddenly convinced she's clear). If Moyank was a baddie + someone else (don't think that'd be you DP) it was a no-brainer for her to vote success, not much communication needed, especially with that many experienced players.
Well, guess you're right, Moyank. Premature on my part. But I still stand by my statement.
Don't panic
macrumors 603
ok, i read the thread and twietee's objection.
i understand your will to absolutely clear moyank, but with the available cards to do that would mean take a blind one on this team or use the NC on a possibly good combo.
my opinion
first off, the obvious move is to give the Investigate card to you. not the Expose. the investigate requires trust in the player who uses it, and right now you are the most trustworthy in the game.
second, the expose does not need to go to a trusted player. the only damage an infiltrator can do with it is to waste it (like playing it on me or you). however, if they do, the expose themselves and the net result is as if the card was played on them. that would be a very poor play and i doubt anyone, infi or not will do it.
so i would give the card to astroboy to be played on QOS, or to QOS to be played on astroboy.
the third card (strong leader) i would give to me, to be used later on if necessary.
then we need to vote play.
we move in steps
i suppose koodauw would vote 'success' as in the last game. obviously if he is agent, but no reason to expose himself even if he is infi
then the expose card should be played.
if qos/astroboy come out clean, then we have our third guaranteed agent.
THEN, you can clear the other one with investigate, again cleared means we have 4 guaranteed agents.
if qos/astroboy come out Infiltrators, then we can abort the mission and the Investigate can be used on anyone, since the pressure of getting this mission going is off
i understand your will to absolutely clear moyank, but with the available cards to do that would mean take a blind one on this team or use the NC on a possibly good combo.
my opinion
first off, the obvious move is to give the Investigate card to you. not the Expose. the investigate requires trust in the player who uses it, and right now you are the most trustworthy in the game.
second, the expose does not need to go to a trusted player. the only damage an infiltrator can do with it is to waste it (like playing it on me or you). however, if they do, the expose themselves and the net result is as if the card was played on them. that would be a very poor play and i doubt anyone, infi or not will do it.
so i would give the card to astroboy to be played on QOS, or to QOS to be played on astroboy.
the third card (strong leader) i would give to me, to be used later on if necessary.
then we need to vote play.
we move in steps
i suppose koodauw would vote 'success' as in the last game. obviously if he is agent, but no reason to expose himself even if he is infi
then the expose card should be played.
if qos/astroboy come out clean, then we have our third guaranteed agent.
THEN, you can clear the other one with investigate, again cleared means we have 4 guaranteed agents.
if qos/astroboy come out Infiltrators, then we can abort the mission and the Investigate can be used on anyone, since the pressure of getting this mission going is off
Moyank24
macrumors 601
@Don't panic
That was more along the lines of what I wanted to do. Except I was going to give you the investigate and strong leader to Twietee, and the expose to astroboy to clear QOS (as she was in the group where there was a fail vote).
That was more along the lines of what I wanted to do. Except I was going to give you the investigate and strong leader to Twietee, and the expose to astroboy to clear QOS (as she was in the group where there was a fail vote).
twietee
macrumors 603
disagree, that'd be the worst thing that can happen. Exposure is the most powerful tool. If we don't start to solidify that chain so we can build on it it'll be a gamble til the very end.
I can just repeat myself: We have not one cleared player. But as I'm totally alone on this one and many don't even give any input I' saying good-night and good-luck.
Don't panic
macrumors 603
it is better to give investigate to twietee, IMO for the reasons expressed above (and by fenris i think).
if astroboy clears QOS, then one of fenris and mscriv voted fail. if QoS is dirty, then is like having used a spy on both mscriv and fenris
if astroboy clears QOS, then one of fenris and mscriv voted fail. if QoS is dirty, then is like having used a spy on both mscriv and fenris
Moyank24
macrumors 601
You've answered your own question. It almost feels like a waste (of course it feels like a waste to me because I know I'm an agent). We only have so many of these left, and we've already wasted a NC.
But, like I said, if you're going to take it anyway, it doesn't make any sense to waste it. Which is exactly what I wouldn't do if I was a bad guy. I'd let you waste it if you were going to catch me anyway...
Moyank24
macrumors 601
Don't panic
macrumors 603
tiwetee, this is not a constructive attitude.
investigate in your hands is EXACTLY the same as expose. there is ZERO difference except you tell us the result instead of ravenvii.
so let's say astroboy gets the expose card. if the consensus is to scan QoS and he is an agent, why wouldn't he do that?
if he is an infiltrator, he can scan say me. he wasted the expose. but it would be obvious he is an infiltrator, so it is equivalent to me or you scanning him with the expose
Don't panic
macrumors 603
and so do I.
and I know twietee is an agent, and so by extension do you.
but to the others, it is still possible me and you are both infi and covering for each other. that ALSO twietee is an infi is not overall impossible, but much more unlikely
Moyank24
macrumors 601
Ok, so a good compromise, would be this:
Expose - Astroboy
Investigate - Twietee
Strong Leader - DP
And hope Twietee doesn't steal the expose. I really don't see the point in wasting another bullet we have.
Moyank24
macrumors 601
In a perfect world, Twietee investigates Astroboy, Astroboy exposes QOS, Koodauw votes success, and we would know for sure whether to send the mission through. 😀
But, again, I understand why he wants to clear me.
But, again, I understand why he wants to clear me.
Don't panic
macrumors 603
he can still investigate you with investigate, so no reason to steal the expose as well.
but the order would be first to let astroboy expose QoS. if that comes out bad, the mission is doomed and the investigate can be used in a different manner
but the order would be first to let astroboy expose QoS. if that comes out bad, the mission is doomed and the investigate can be used in a different manner
Moyank24
macrumors 601
Twietee seems to be sleeping, so by default, that's what's probably going to happen anyway!
Expose - Astroboy
Investigate - Twietee
Strong Leader - DP
@Astroboy907 you know what to do!
Sincerely,
Agent Awesome
Moyank24
macrumors 601
The worst that will happen is Raven says no and you have to vote again in the morning. So I say go for it.
Don't panic
macrumors 603
wouldn't that be Commander Awesome?
also, i don't want anyone to lose focus on the goal of this mission:
i think the mission must have been commissioned by Tony Blair...
also, i don't want anyone to lose focus on the goal of this mission:
i think the mission must have been commissioned by Tony Blair...
Don't panic
macrumors 603
actually, since the mission is go from now, it is exactly when you and us are supposed to vote
Queen of Spades
macrumors 68030
Moyank24
macrumors 601
wouldn't that be Commander Awesome?
also, i don't want anyone to lose focus on the goal of this mission:
i think the mission must have been commissioned by Tony Blair...
Commander Awesome. I like the sound of that.
mscriv
macrumors 601
This sounds like a reasonable compromise to me. It would be a complete waste for Twietee to steal the expose after he was already given the investigate, but sadly he sounds determined enough to do it. With this plan we can satisfy Twietee's need to 100% clear Moyank and either clear or catch QOS. Depending on the outcome we will either end up with a solid feeling regarding 4 Agents or a good feeling about 3 Agent and 1 exposed infiltrator. Both of these possibilities are a positive step.